Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2001:July:12 Thursday <Wednesday, Friday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2001/7/12 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:21772 Activity:very high
7/11    I broke one of the shifters on my circa 91 hard rock and I need
        a replacement. Anyone know of a shop in the south bay that might
        be able to get a replacement and install it for me? My shifter
        is a suntour (sp?) if that makes any difference. ----ranga
        \_ It's not very likely that you'll be able to find above-bar
           thumb shifters at a bike shop.  Suntour is out of business and for
           the past several years all mountain bikes have had under-bar
           shifters or something equally distasteful.  You could replace
           both shifters, but they'd probably be indexed for 8 or 9 gears
           instead of the 7 you likely have on your bike.  Shimano is the
           Microsoft of the bike world.  -tom
           \_ I had the "quick-shift" style shifter if it makes any
              difference. I wouldn't mind replacing both shifters,
              but I though that switching to Shimano means that I
              would have to replace the entire gear system as well.
              Do you know if that is the case? Thanks. ----ranga
              \_ Almost certainly not for the front shifter.  For the
                 rear shifter, it depends on the freewheel spacing and
                 the indexing in the shifter.  It's reasonably likely
                 you'd need to replace your freewheel, but a bike store
                 probably would know better than me, I haven't dealt with
                 the under-bar shifters much.  -tom
2001/7/12 [Uncategorized] UID:21773 Activity:nil
7/11    kchang is that you?
2001/7/12 [Uncategorized] UID:21774 Activity:nil
5:50pm  Can't someone with more motd fu than me find out who has been
        nuking it so much and publicly humiliate them?
2001/7/12-13 [Recreation/Dating, Industry/Jobs] UID:21775 Activity:moderate
7/12    So, i'm trying to get laid off from my progamming job, because
        I've decided to leave (and I already have my next job lined up) but
        I want to partake of my company's generous severance package. The
        company is going through lay-offs right now so it's not unlikely
        that this would actually happen, but how do I go about getting
        laid off but not fired?
        \_ You're trying to get laid... from your programming job.
        \_ It's probably a little late to lower your job performance,
           but a sudden defeatist "we're all going to get fired anyway"
           can go a long way.
        \_ a friend of mine who went through the same thing volunteered
           to be laid off so that his boss wudnt hafta pick someone else
           tho he was real tight w/ his boss so it worked out fine.. -shac
           \_ Yup, this is the way to go.  Assuming you are in good standing,
           tell them you would like to be laid off as well.  It could work.
        \_ You should quit.  Go ahead and figure out a way to ask to be
           laid off though -- although a nutty manager might fire you.
2001/7/12-13 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:21776 Activity:nil
7/12    Does anyone know the details of how the ports "fake" the
        installation of a particular piece of software? I'm trying
        to do something similar on Solaris and I can't think of a
        good way to do it.
        \_ I dunno what you mean by "fake", but the system will build
           software without installing it (ie, moving it to the normal
           location and creating a package for it).  This can be used for
           installing programs that have some sort of library dependency.
2001/7/12 [Uncategorized] UID:21777 Activity:nil
7/11    Don't piss off the Feds
        \_ it makes lots of claims that the FBI 'deliberately murdered' them,
           yet makes no attempt to suggest a motive for why they would
           do so.
2001/7/12 [Uncategorized] UID:21778 Activity:nil 66%like:22117
        \_ Yeah?  So does yer mom!
        \_ Nothing expects long orange ethernet cables.
2001/7/12 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:21779 Activity:nil
7/11    who offers classes on PHP in the east bay area?  work is paying.
        \_ take the money and go get some cheap whores... why would you
           want to take a PHP class?
           \_ d00d! "cheap"?! do you realize how much a "PHP class" is likely
              to cost? this'd cover an all-night orgy with half a dozen
              top-notch professionals...
        \_ Don't bother.  If you know perl, you can learn PHP.  It's
           simpler, albeit with uglier syntax, and, IMHO, inferior.  If
           you don't know perl, learn it.  If you can't learn perl, you
           obviously have issues with functional programming languages,
           and won't be able to learn PHP.
           \_ Dude.  If Perl is a functional programming language then the
              Moon is made of green cheese.  Lambdas do not a functional
              language make.  Perl is about as procedural as they come.
              It's proud of it in fact.  Perl is evil.  Look at Ocaml if
              you want to know what Perl could have been if it was a good
              little language.
              \_ Hah!  Shows what *you* know!  You can do ANYTHING with perl!
                 even get yourself fired!!1!  err....hold on a second....
                 that came out wrong....
2001/7/12 [Computer/HW, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:21780 Activity:nil
7/11    in a network behind a Novel Border manager server i am dowloading
        a medium size chunk of data.  If i am on a mac, i get it all.
        If i am on a PC it chops off the last 3/4 of it.  Any idea what
        could be going on?
        \_ someting is fux0red, d00d.
2001/7/12 [Uncategorized] UID:21781 Activity:nil
7/11    Family Guy returns tonight.
        \_ But nothing tops The Weakest Link. Anne Robinson's my baby!
           \_ you ARE the weakest link.  goodbye.
2001/7/12-13 [Computer/SW/P2P] UID:21782 Activity:nil
7/12    I'm curious about this latest Napster shindig. How is Napster's
        situation so different from webspace providers? You can find copyrighted
        material on those personal web page sites often, although the provider
        generally cancels their account (i presume once someone notifies them
        of the breach of TOS). Similarly with the myspace/idrive/freedrive
        places that all went broke. So why can't Napster just require an
        email address for ID like the other things, and if you have copyrighted
        stuff then your account is cancelled?
2001/7/12 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:21783 Activity:high
7/12    Is anyone running SETI@home on IRIX?  I tried running the
        setiathome-3.04.mips4-sgi-irix6.2 version on an IRIX 6.5.4m machine
        with an R4600 processor, and it complains "Program not supported by
        architecture."  What's wrong?  Thx.
        \_ You already asked this question. It's self-explanatory. It's
           apparently a MIPS4 (64-bit) executable and your processor is
           a 32-bit chip. Whoever compiled it should've used the -o32
           option to generate an (old) 32-bit object. --dim
2001/7/12 [Uncategorized] UID:21784 Activity:high
7/12    Poll-- Harry Kim in Startrek is:
        a stud:
        a geek:
        This poll is utterly stupid, please delete it: .
2001/7/12-13 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:21785 Activity:nil
7/12    I'm having trouble with keymaps.  I have switched my keyboard on
        a win95 box to dvorak.  That works everywhere except for in
        emacs, which I am running remotely over X (exceed).  How do
        I switch the keymap in emacs?
        \_ I think you might need to switch the keymap in Exceed?
           Not sure, but I think that's your best bet.  --PeterM
           \_ This is correct.
2001/7/12-13 [Computer/Networking] UID:21786 Activity:high
7/12    What are the cheaper/better dialup services around?  Price?
        \_ I guess people don't use dialup anymore?
        \_ What happened to I tried to sign up but they
           wouldn't let me.
              \_ I have a couple questions pertaining to this:
                 1.  who's a reliable free isp for macs?  are there any left?
                 2.  I'm thinking of canceling my earthlink dsl on the 16th
                     (my six month contract is already up, so it's no longer
                      a $35 split every month anymore).  I would like to
                     get cable but alas, it ain't available in Cupertino.
                     I don't want to give in to these $50 dsl assholes,
                     but if I have to, who's the best alternative right now?
                 3.  What about that sprint wireless dsl or whatever that
                 4.  what IS the cheapest dialup deal?  Like ranga was saying,
                     dialup should be FREE.  I would even hazard to say
                     that broadband should be free, or at least available
                     cheaply.  I mean, if I was actually renting
                     an apartment I would be completely fucked paying
                     my cell phone bill, my dsl bill, on top of everything
                     \_ Trolling should be free (and usually is).
                     \_ Fry's offers unlimited dial-up service for $10/mo, but,
                        alas, it's Fry's...
                     \_ You must be a Communist.
        \_ offers dial-up service for $10.95/month.  You can roam,
           too.  I've had fairly good luck with them.  They use standard ppp
           so you can use *nix or whatever OS you want.
                \_ says 12.95 on their site + 5.00 setup fee. Anything else?
2001/7/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:21787 Activity:high
7/12    Caucasian chicks are special. They are the cross between
        Greek goddesses and the Amazon Warrior. I am ready to do battle with
        \_ rEADy tO tASTe sOMe aMAZOn sTeeL?!
        \_ paolo is that you?
        \_ gratuitous H07 AZN CHX comment
2001/7/12-13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server] UID:21788 Activity:moderate
7/12    Hello MOTD, sorry to bother you (again) but you always know
        all the good (and bad) apps.  I am looking for log utilities
        to manage my apache logs.  I need something to rotate/gzip/etc.
        the logs and something to do simple analysis (and some historical)
        I'd prefer a script where i can see what is going on over a binary
        like webalizer, but whatever.  As for the rotatelog utility that
        comes with apache, it is broke in the version i am running and i
        don't want to upgrade.
        \_ If you want to do this correctly, you need Apache's rotatelogs
           utility, which almost certainly works in the version you have, but
           not in the way you want it to.  What rotatelogs does is accept web
           logs on stdin and write them to files with seconds-since-the-epoch
           filenames, starting a new file once a week.  You need that, because
           you can't move the logs out from under Apache safely (and if
           you do, you need to restart the server, which would cause
           disruption of service).  So then you just write a cron job to
           gzip the logs, and use analog to analyze them (analog will also
           analyze gzip'ped logs).  -tom
                \_ I have an error_log.0994896000 that goes back to yesterday
                   AND i have an error_log that goes back a long long time.
                   This is broke or (perhaps more likely) i am doing something
                   wrong. What would you suggest i am doing wrong?
                        \_ you have to set up rotatelogs on your ErrorLog
                           line as well as your TransferLog or CustomLog
                           line in httpd.conf.  -tom
           \_ Or cronolog, which lets you specify the naming scheme --dbushong
                \_ rotatelogs blows. cronolog is much better.  -ERic
           \_ Hey tom, why is it unsafe to move logs out from under Apache
              if you restart it?  Also, restarting Apache takes something
              on the order of seconds, so the disruption of service is
              nigh-invisble, is it not?
              - Rotates logs manually and restarts Apache
                \_ It depends what you're serving.  If someone is downloading
                   a big file, for example, either their download will hold up
                   the server respawning, or the download will be killed when
                   you restart.  If you have only small content and don't
                   care if you occasionally serve broken images or pages,
                   it's not so bad.  Still, it doesn't cost much to do it
                   right.  -tom
                   \_  I ran an app that was using jserv, and stopping and
                       restarting apache was a major pain.  rotatelogs was
                       the best solution.  -ERic
2001/7/12-13 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:21789 Activity:very high
7/13    My windows 2000 is screwed.  No matter what program I try to run
        it says, "Cannot find the file '....' (or one of its components).
        Make sure the path and filename are correct and that all required
        libraries are available."  Even regedit doesn't run.  What is the
        one .dll or whatever that can screw everything up?
              \_ maybe you lost the path environment variable. make sure
              it points to winnt/system32, check windir as well c:\winnt
                \_ When I tried to use the control panel to change the
                   environment variables, clicking on system gives
                   "Accesss to specified device, path or file is
                   denied."  The paths seem to be right if I look at
                   the it through My Computer -> Manager -> ... ->
                   Environment Variables.  I tried it as an
                   "Administrator" and the result is the same.

7/13fri beijing takes the games!!!
        \_ Sounds like a virus to me.
        \_ Well, what is the actual value of '....'? Why don't you make sure
           the path and filename are correct and that all required libraries
           are available?
           \_ Wow.  You've learned to cut and paste.  Excellent, young troll.
              Perhaps soon your keeper will allow you to wipe your own butt.
              program that runs fine IE 5.5.  Many document icons also
              \_ you should learn the meaning of "tongue in cheek".
              has been installed for a few weeks and ran fine.
                 \_ you'd still be a moron, though.
                    \_ well your replies are as, or more, useless than mine.
                       and mine are more interesting, because i mention
                       hot naked chicks.
                       \_ Damn!  You're right.  Point to you.
                        \_ I love hot naked chicks, but right now I just
                           want my w2k working again.  :(
           \_ '....' involves almost all my programs right down to calc.exe,
              Almost any program that I tried running gave the above.  Only
              program that runs fine is IE 5.5.  Many document icons also
              reverted to the generic one with the windows logo.  IE 5.5
              has been installed for a few weeks and ran fine.  Path and
              filename looks right, and I have no clue how to find out
              what are the required libraries - must be something common to
              all these programs.  Please help me!
              \_ maybe you lost the path environment variable. make sure
              it points to winnt/system32, check windir as well c:\winnt
                 \_ Where do I find the path environment variable?
                    \_ Man, you are a hurtin' puppy.
                        \_ I know.  Hehe, I found how to set the variables
                           using google.  Kind of embarrassing.  I will try
                           it once I get home.  Thanks for the answers so far.
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