Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2001:June:28 Thursday <Wednesday, Friday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2001/6/28 [Reference/Tax] UID:21655 Activity:high
6/27    If I buy a house, I will have to sell 1/2 of my options and ESPP and
        pay more than 1/2 of my post tax saving to the mortgage. On top of
        that, I will need to mow the lawn, put in the fertilizer, spray
        pests, add Weed-B-Gone, re-tile the kitchen, re-grout the bathtub,
        repaint the interior, wash the carpet, fix the faucet, repair the
        air conditioner, and mow the lawn. I will spend most of my vacation
        in Home Depot. Fuck! Who ingrained this stupid idea that you gotta
        get a house? Fannie Mae and Kaufman and Broad?
        \_ man condo
           \_ More to the point,
              man condom
        \_ The federal government. If they eliminated the tax advantages
           it might be a different ballgame. It's also a good way to
           gain leverage on an investment. -dim
           \_ yeah, fuck house and marriage and child tax breaks. this is a
              clear example of the majority screwing over the minority.
        \_ Home Depot sucks, go to a real hardware store.  -tom
           \_ Care to expound?  I've always enjoyed trips to HD
                \_ They have crappy quality for most of their stuff, nothing
                   with any style, they don't have funky screws or parts you
                   need for projects (unless you want to buy 100 of them),
                   and the people who work there are 90% morons.  -tom
                   \_ if you want a really funky part within 24 hours, i
                      think that <DEAD><DEAD> is by far the best
                      online story of any kind, and certainly the largest
                      supplier of weird hardware.  Want a 2 meter metric
                      threaded rod?  at your door by 4:00 pm tomorow.
        \_ Just pay someone to do the yard ($5 per hr per person)
2001/6/28 [Uncategorized] UID:21656 Activity:nil
6/27    Anybody know if those 10-10-xxx numbers work for local toll calls?
        Pac Bell is charging me an arm and a leg and I don't want to switch
        to MCI or other local toll provider.  Thanks.  (My cell phone reception
        sucks at my house otherwise I wouldn't have this problem.)
        \_ They work as long as the company code that you're dialing (which
           is what a 1010XXX number is) corresponds to a company that supports
           local calls. If you're not sure, check with that company.
2001/6/28 [Academia/GradSchool] UID:21657 Activity:very high
6/27    Thanks ranga, I'm going to enroll in Kaplan next week. It ain't
        cheap but at least my credit card limit is high. What school did
        you apply to and where are you now?
        \_ I have yet to apply. I was planning on applying last dec. but
           the company I work for was purchased during that period so I
           didn't have enough time to fill out the applications. Things
           have settled down now so I'm going to apply this fall. I'm
           looking at the farm, Cal, UCSC, UCLA and USC. My first choice
           is the farm since it is close to work. Also my old boss is a
           prof. so he wants me to go to the farm as well. My concern
           is that they may not accept me for EE because my degree from
           Cal isn't EE and my GPA was kinda low (above 3, but not by
           much). I've been told that I can probably make up for that
           with publications and strong letters of rec.
           I'm sure you can figure out where I'm at now from the wtmp
           records. ----ranga
           \_ is UCSD any good?
              \_ They have the SuperComputer center down there and
                 several of the profs work on network routing and
                 redundancy problems which is my primary area of
                 interest. Anyway, my first choice is still the
                 farm. ----ranga
        \_ STOP! has a lower opinion of Kaplan than Princeton.
           \_ epinion? Using epinion for this type of info is the same
              as using osopinion in order to figure out which OS to run.
        \_ I just found out that starting in Oct99, the GRE Writing
           Assessment may be required. Did you take that?
           \_ required for what?
           \_ I don't know of any school that requires this for eng.
2001/6/28 [Uncategorized] UID:21658 Activity:nil
6/27    I want to join an organized crime syndicate. How do I do this?
        \_ 1 800 MICR0SOFT, ask for Services
           \_ That's 1 800 RU LEGIT D00D!
        \_ You're already part of one. The fearsome motd.public mob.
        \_ You might try to find the JLCs.  They are based in Jack London
           square, and were looking for more members a month ago.
2001/6/28 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:21659 Activity:high
6/28    R U:
        pro-MS?  anti-MS?  neutral?
        There are probably a lot more neutrals in the general population
        than those who are taking a stand. (csua motd is not the general
        \_ Anti-MS!!  Especially right now.  Installing a game on my
           Win98 partition made Windows unusable.  Splendid!
        \_ Win98 is perhaps the finest gaming PC platform i've seen, as
           far as variety of games go.  I find that whenever i want to
           play games, i always load vmware, load windows98 and then run
           a game.
           \_ I prefer Win95 for gaming. When I feel like playing a
              game that's not available for Mac, I launch up VPC with
              Win95, install and go. I can't wait until they release
              the MacOS X native version of VPC.
2001/6/28 [Transportation/Car] UID:21660 Activity:nil
6/28    Great porn engine:
2001/6/28 [Reference/Law/Court, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:21661 Activity:high
6/28    Court Reverses Microsoft Breakup Order
                                                              \_ "Trial"
        Maybe tjb had paid Judge Jackson to bad-mouth against M$.
        \_ No, M$ paid off the higher court judges or threatened
           them and/or their families. This judgement was obtained
           by bribery or extortion, which how all crime syndicates
           obtain "justice".
           \_ The Bush Administration cut off funding for prosecution
              of the case.  So, in a roundabout sort of way, yes.
              \_ Isn't this particular hearing just based on the M$
                 briefs vs. the findings of facts (no prosecution
2001/6/28 [Uncategorized] UID:21662 Activity:nil
6/28    [ k1nn3y cl34nup cr3w wuz h3r3 ]
2001/6/28 [Uncategorized] UID:21663 Activity:nil
6/28    Requiescat In Pacem -- Jack Lemmon (1925-2001)
2001/6/28 [Uncategorized] UID:21664 Activity:nil
6/28    M$ Sued for patent violations:
2001/6/28 [Science/Space, Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:21665 Activity:nil
6/28    anyone versed in emacs mule features here?  i tried to help
        someone at work edit tis-620 (thai) text but i'm a fish out of
        water.  thanks, karlcz.
2001/6/28 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:21666 Activity:nil
6/28    I'm trying to SSH into a PIX box.  i've tried ssh -l "" HOSTNAME
        and that asks for the password for @HOSTNAME.  I would think
        this would work but it doesn't.  (the problem here being that
        the Cisco PIX just asks for a password not a username).
        What is the correct way to connect?
        \_ ssh -l <username> <hostname>
           \_ Maybe (s)he didn't want to reveal his remote login name to
              someone who can do a ps on the local host?
        \_ AFAIK you need to add a user to the PIX before it will allow
           you to login. - cisco alum
2001/6/28-29 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:21667 Activity:high
6/28    The gcc man page says:
              Support  ANSI  C trigraphs.  The `-ansi' option im-
              plies `-trigraphs'.
        What are ANSI C trigraphs?
        \_ the cpp man page says:
              Process ANSI standard trigraph sequences.  These are
              three-character sequences, all starting with `??', that are
              defined by ANSI C to stand for single characters.  For
              example, `??/' stands for `\', so `'??/n'' is a character
              constant for a newline.  Strictly speaking, the GNU C
              preprocessor does not support all programs in ANSI Standard
              C unless `-trigraphs' is used, but if you ever notice the
              difference it will be with relief.

           You don't want to know any more about trigraphs.
        \_ They were added to ANSI C in order to add support for
           characters such as '{','}','[',']','#' which aren't
           available on european keyboards (they use the keys
           that were ment for these characters for thier accented
           characters). If the stupid europeans could get thier
           act together and learn english and use normal computers
           like the rest of humanity we would never have had to
           deal with this bullshit.
2001/6/28-29 [Science/Space] UID:21668 Activity:high
6/28    This is awesome!  If I ever have kids....
        \_ better:
        \_ I used to have a whole set of biblical action figures in my office.
           it was done with kitsch intent.
           Reactions were quite varied. Especially when people would have Mary
           in threesomes with Job and Golliath. Most people understood
           it was done with kitsch intent. The ones who didn't were
           usually exteremely offended.
        \_ speaking of things to get for the kids:
        \_ fuck you. - angel of the lord.
2001/6/28-29 [Computer/SW/Compilers] UID:21669 Activity:very high
6/28    Is there an equivalent for Perl's '-c' option in javac?
        \_ JLint at jikes -nowrite +B
           \_ jikes is the superior Java compiler
              \_ jikes is the STANDARD SUPERIOR JAVA COMPILER!
                 \_ JIKES!  JIKES!  JIKES is the STANDARD!  Superior Java
                    \_ jikes is as useful as Essence of Emerile while eating
                       a shit sandwich.
2001/6/28-29 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:21670 Activity:insanely high
6/29    To complement the satanism that happened yesterday and 2 days ago:
        \_ ya that ruling was BS
             "But it threw out the allegation that Microsoft illegally gained
           a Web browser monopoly, and sent back to the lower court the
           question of whether Microsoft improperly bundled its Windows
           operating system with its Web browser. "
             anything they bundle in the OS should be illegal. It is really
           nice and convient that they do still- it has killed a lot of
           companies which could have provided some flourishing industries.
           \_ People only have a right to buy what people wish to sell
              them.  How would you like it if anyone buying your old car had
              the 'right' to just pick the parts they liked, and leave the
              rest to you?
           \_ People only have a right to buy what people wish to sell them.
              How would you like it if anyone buying your old car had the
              'right' to just pick the parts they liked, and leave the rest
              to you?
              \_ i'll sell you my old car at gunpoint then.  you have to buy
                 all of it, ok?  I'll sell it cheap too. - paolo
                       the   vendors   to sell Microsoft stuff.  If the
                       vendors also sold linux-equipped systems, Microsoft
                       allegedly raised prices or revoked the offending
                       vendor's licenses.      -mice
                 \_ Troll.  No one is forcing you to buy Windows.  If you are
                    buying, it means you want it.  If you don't want it, don't
                    \_ I think the case had more to do with Microsoft forcing
                       the vendors to sell Microsoft stuff. If the vendors also
                       sold linux-equipped systems, Microsoft allegedly raised
                       prices or revoked the offending vendor's licenses. -mice
                       \_ Microsoft is not forcing (i.e. using force) anyone
                          to do anything.  If Microsoft positions itself in
                          such a way as to make it advantageous for vendors to
                          sell Windows, good for it.  But they are not using
                       \_ why should this be illegal? they didn't "force", they
                          gave better deals in exchange for exclusivity. you
                          could always have bought a Macintosh, Sun, IBM, HP,
                          Amiga, etc.
                          \_ I guess you would have been comfortable paying
                             the Standard Oil and AT&T taxes in addition to
                             state and federal tax.
                             \_ the point is that the competition was always
                                there. the real issue is the developer support.
                                people use windows primarily to get the software
                                they can't use on other OSes. that is fact. why
                                didn't all the other OSes recognise this and
                                try to work together to build a common dev API?
                                because they all want to be like microsoft
                                themselves. Apple is just an incompetent M$.
                                \_ WTH are you talking about? M$ is the one
                                   vendor that always does one offs. Sun,
                                   HP, IBM, and even Apple (with MacOS X)
                                   all support common UNIX apis. M$ is the
                                   one with proprietary WIN32 shit.
                    \_ More inept troll.  I don't want Windows. Unfortunately,
                       MS has managed to convince enough people to use Windows
                       that it is not financially feasible for me not to buy
                       Windows.  Having been forced to purchase Windows, an OS
                       I don't want, I find it even further infuriating to find
                       IE, a browser I don't want, inextricably linked to the OS.
                       \_ HP bundles Netscape. Sun bundled Hotjava. SGI
                          bundles Netscape. What's the problem? --dim
                          \_ the problem is, HP, Sun, and SGI are not using
                             their monopoly power to kill a competitor
                             (Netscape).  HP and SGI aren't even bundling
                             their own product.  Do you really not
                             understand this?  -tom
                       \_ Make up your mind.  Financially advantageous == want.
                       \_ this logic is flawed. you say you don't want windows,
                          yet you buy it of your own free will. you contradict
                          yourself, in addition to not formatting properly.
                          \_ Untrue:  I buy Windows because not buying Windows
                             puts me at a disadvantage when doing business with
                             people who use Windows.  To say that I buy
                             Windows of my own free will ignores the pressure
                             a market-dominant OS brings to bear on those who
                             do not wish to buy into said OS yet are forced to
                             do business with those who have bought into said
                             OS.  As for formatting, ok thnx.  --erikred
                             \_ why are you forced to do business with these
                                people? why did they choose windows?
                       \_ Huh? Its not financially feasible for you to buy/beg
                          a cheap computer and net install Free/Net/OpenBSD
                          (which are all FREE)? I don't understand. Perhaps you
                          mean that without knowing windows you cannot get a
                          job. In which case I completely disagree. Its is quite
                          easy to get a job coding for UNIX, and these jobs pay
                          quite a bit better than windows jobs.
              \_ You're obviously confused about both the law and
                 economics.  The law changes when you have a monopoly.
                 \_ The law is not always right.  I am talking about rights,
                    which the law does not always enforce consistently.  You
                    can't argue from 'law' because 'laws' are often unjust.
                    For instance, they were unjust in Nazi Germany.
                    \_ You go Randy!  Invoking Nazi Germany, that's the way
                       to make a point in online forums!
                       \_ Go go gadget well-reasoned post!
                    \_ This is stupid.  Did you know that the free market is
                       broken when you have a  (non-natural) monopoly?  It's
                       inefficient, bad for consumers, bad for the country, etc.
                       \_ There are no (long-standing, stable) monopolies in
                           a free market system.  Give me one counter-example,
                           or, failing that, give a reasonable account of how
                           one might arise.
                           \_ oh god.  Please ignore the troll behind the
                              curtain.  -tom
2001/6/28-29 [Recreation/Food] UID:21671 Activity:high
6/28    Anybody know what ingredient goes into a piece of sashimi?  Aside
        from the fish itself of course.  I'm trying to find out if there's
        any preservatives or other stuff in sushis.  I can taste the MSG if
        a restaurant uses it. I want to find out if I can taste the other
        stuff in sashimi.  Thanks.
        \_ I think it's supposed to be nothing else at all until you dip that
           plain piece of fish into wasabi and soy sauce right before you eat
           it.  Just fish, wasabi and soy sauce.
        \_ Your choice for good sushi? I love Jiro's in Union City.
        \_ Sashimi is raw fish and nothing else. The only variable is the
           freshness of the fish. "Ikezukure" is sashimi from a fish that is
           still twitching in front of you. It don't get fresher than that.
            - ulysses
        \_ Nothing in sashimi, but for nigiri and rolls, the rice could
           contain a coat of rice vinegar.
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