Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2001:June:12 Tuesday <Monday, Wednesday>
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2001/6/12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:21481 Activity:high
6/11    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/felkins1.html
        now you know why Chaney was forced to sell his shares in Halliburton.
        http://biz.yahoo.com/t/41/2631.html
        Ahh will you look at that: Chaney is a director of EDS... and where has
        EDS been getting all their money from......(EDS got like a 5 billion
        contract with the navy to upgrade their whole IT systems.)
        I got pissed off at Verizon when I was ready up on them- GTE ( now
        Verizon ) sold their government systems group to "lockheed" ( not
        sure if it was lockeed ) and DYncorp. . Dyncorp is a shit hot company
        when it comes to govn sub contracts which probably no one has ever
        heard of.
        \_ God damn conservatives!  I am so mad at them!!11!
        \_ Duh... virtually every politician profits from their influence.
           \_ this may be true, but most people, as in the VICE PRESIDENT
              OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, are not so blatant about it.
           I don't condone it, but since you are such a through investigator,
           why don't you look into why Clinton moved technology export
           and licensing from the State Department to the Commerce Department.
           All the while John Huang, who was subsequently convicted of
           of funneling campaign contributions from the People's Republic
           of China to the DNC, worked there.  Clinton took
           this behavoir to an all time low and sold out the country at the
           same time.
           Why is there outrage from liberals about corrupt government, yet,
           the first chance they get they vote to raise taxes.  Bizarre!
           At least conservatives are for smaller government.  I'll take the
           lesser of two evils any day.
           \_ i don't think it was a repub vs. democrat thing, it just sounds
              more like a "what is going on here (currently) post?"
           \_ your attempts at bipartisan strawmen serve your tri-lateral
                                is this like from the kama sutra? _/
              council masters well.  Bravo.
        Brown and Root - heard of them-- they did the whole logistics support
        operation in Bosnia: ( $2 Billion
        http://www.dtic.mil/bosnia/army/arnews/16.html  ), FYI, I'm a
        republican - orig poster.  I just want to make sense of who the big
        shakers are. (i already know it ain't no ".com")
        \_ Thanks tjb. Now please go back to the crack pipe.
2001/6/12 [Uncategorized] UID:21482 Activity:nil
6/11    Is it me or is the refresh rate on the motd becoming shorter and
        shorter (topics are being deleted more often)?
        \_ uh, a high rate = more often; low rate = less often
2001/6/12 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:21483 Activity:high 52%like:21479
6/11    Global warming, without liberal bias.  BTW, to the fucking moron
        who keeps deleting this, it's an article by an MIT professor
        who coauthored the report.  At least read before censor.
        http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b24b074026b.htm
        \_ I'm green myself, but I have to admit it's nice to see a much more
           objective analysis presented without any of the political/policy
           spin.  Thanks!                     -mice
        \_ "Where do you find these people?"
           "We got him from a tobacco company."
        \_ This reminds me of the UCB prof who claims HIV does not cause AIDS.
2001/6/12 [Recreation/Travel, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:21484 Activity:very high
6/11    So my company had originally notified us that it was shutting down for
        July 5th and 6th, but they just were told that forcing exempt workers
        to take vacation days was illegal in the state of California.  So my
        question is how do other companies shutdown for that week, and also in
        December?  Hasn't anybody challenged this?  Man, sometimes I really
        love this commie state and all of it's great laws concerning wages.
        \_ Yeah, it sucks when companies can't decide not to pay you
           whenever they want.
        \_ Say what?  You love this commie state and all of _it_is_ great laws?
           Anyway, are you sure about this being illegal in California?  If so,
           cool!  I can raise hell here..., again....  --ricky
                \_ uh, your honor, i read on the motd that this was illegal,
                   and everything I read on the motd is true!
        \_ If it was scheduled company holidays instead of personal vacation
           days, it should be fine.
          \_ My company, which shall remain nameless for now, is shutting down
             for the whole July 4th week.  If an employee does not have 4 days
             of vacation time to use during that week, that employee will NOT
             be paid for that week except for the 4th, which is a company
             holiday.  How's THAT for a bad policy?  New workers only get 10
             days of vacation per year and they're forcing you to use 4 of
             those on July 4th week.  They'll probably force you to use some
             more during xmas time.
             BTW, I can't find any confirmation of this state law.  Does
             anyone have a proof?  --ricky
             \_ McNealy is da' man!
               \_ I don't work for Sun.  I work for Compaq.  (I usually say
                  Digital, but in this case, I'll say Compaq.)  --ricky
                  \_ That wasn't hard to figure out. All you had to do
                     was look at your wtmp records.
                  \_ Oops, well, Sun's doing it too.
                     \_ Sun gives new workers 11 days per year (not 10).
                        Also, if you dont have enuf vacation, they they
                        will make accomodations. You still get paid. But,
                        don't know if any of this forced vacation is legal...
                        but I know layoffs are legal.
             \_ They are not "forcing you to use vacation". They're just
                saying they wont pay you for those days. Technically, there's
                a difference.
                On the other hand, for "salaried employees", this sounds
                rather hokie
2001/6/12-13 [Reference/Celebration] UID:21485 Activity:nil 66%like:22626
6/12    Happy birthday, scotsman!
2001/6/12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/TJB] UID:21486 Activity:nil 66%like:21809
6/12    Anyone read the latest tjb post on http://ucb.org.csua? What the hell
        is he talking about?
        \_ /csua/tmp/e-ring.pdf, i believe is the source of the matter.
           what is this thing anyway?
        \_ what do you guys think of him requesting the email address
           eecs_usa@cory.eecs for his new email?  Do you think it would
           cause the dept some harm in terms of him "representing the dept"
           (and the country) with such an email?
2001/6/12 [Consumer/Audio] UID:21487 Activity:high
6/12    http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010612/sc/minerals/medicine_gadolinium_dc_1.html
        "...... many centers allow patients to listen to music during the
        scan ...... All magnetic objects such as keys must be removed."
        How do they manage to play music while speakers and headphones contain
        magnets?
        \_ Here's an obvious guess.  You know the tube-based earphone they use
           on airplanes?  They're made of nothing but plastic tubes and plugs.
           \_ So maybe the clinics use very long tube-based earphones connected
              to magnetic speakers far away.
              \_ i've noticed that recently, the "wire" that cops have going
                 to their ear to listen to their radio with is also a tube.
                 cool.
2001/6/12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/TJB] UID:21488 Activity:nil
6/12    Dear god, I thought that tjb e-mail sending things to
        President@WhiteHouse was a hoax.  I really should have known better
        by now.
        \_ Poor tjb.  He's really damaged goods isn't he?  I mean, he really
           believes the things he says doesn't he?  All that tripe about
           dating playboy models and spinning at the best parties in berkeley
           stuff.
        \_ um, you should know that there is no need to spoof or embellish tjb
           mail.  It is perfection in itself.  You can't get any more pure
           grade crap than that.
           \_ Agreed.  I just can't think of anything one could possibly
              do to his mails.  -geordan
2001/6/12 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:21489 Activity:moderate
6/12    An American in Europe:
        http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/06/12/itinerary/index.html
        \_ USA #1!!!
        \_ and you wonder why http://Salon.com is going bankrupt.
2001/6/12-13 [Reference/Tax, Industry/Startup] UID:21490 Activity:moderate
6/12    Where do employees get W-2s next January after a company closes down
        this year.
        \_ Possibly from the accounting firm or payroll company, but even
           if not you can petition the IRS to allow you to state your own
           earnings and tax contributions. They may not even audit it. I'd
           save your latest payroll stubs in case they do. --dim
2001/6/12-13 [Computer/Networking] UID:21491 Activity:moderate
6/12    telocity sucks, i just got it hooked up, max is 400kB/s download
        \_ B as in Bytes or B as in bits. Bytes would be pretty good.
           \_ Either is hardly horrible for DSL...
        \_ Dude, I have IDSL from them, shut up.
        \_ I have a 1500/128k ADSL connection from Telocity (or should I say
           Direct TV DSL now?). Using the badnwidth tester at http://dslreports.com,
           I get about 1250down, 120Kbps up which I think is ok. May be the
           site on the other end is just too slow? -akopps
        \_ lucky you still signed up with telocity.  I had teloctiy, and after
           north point went down, they never switched me over to any last mile
           provider, just simply said they can't service my area anymore.  Funny
           thing is that they said a week later, they've partnered up with pac-
           bell, and there's a PB CO 3 Kilometer away from my place.  And they
           kept trying to sell me DirectTV's Satellite broadband.
2001/6/12-13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server] UID:21492 Activity:high
6/12    Accourding to the Apache docs the "warn" loglevel gives you good
        stuff like:
         "child process 1234 did not exit, sending another SIGHUP"
        From experience, it also gives you lame ass stuff like every time
        some one hits a graphic.  There must be a way to keep the former
        and loose the latter. Isn't there?  If there isn't this will be
        the first time i have been disappointed with apache.  If there is
        What is it?  -tnx.
        \_ lose.  Learn to spell, loser.
            \_ Ass.  fuck off, you half-witted, anal-retentive ass-hole.
               \_ Moron.  You can't even spell asshole properly.
        \_ Don't you mean "Learn to spell, looser" ?
           \_ Don't you mean "Learn to spell looser"?
2001/6/12-13 [Computer/SW/Mail, Recreation/Woodworking] UID:21493 Activity:very high
6/12    Why does pine take a few minutes to say I have new mail?
        Where is the delay? Shouldn't it be only a few moments?
        \_ shhh... it's thinking...
            \_ No, Seriously. It's annoying. On a fast computer, why should
               one have to wait for one's mail?
               \_ "man pine" says:
                  "New mail checking and notification occurs automati-
                  cally every 2.5 minutes and after certain commands,
                  e.g. refresh-screen (Ctrl-L)."
                  If it polls the mailbox every 1 sec and there are many pine
                  users, maybe the machine load would be too high.  --- yuen
                  (not a pine user)
        \_ why not use the 'newmail' command on unix?
        \_ you can set the interval in the config.
2001/6/12-7/20 [Computer/Networking, Consumer/Audio] UID:21494 Activity:high
6/12    How about wireless MP3 players........ you pay $10/mn for a
        "keychain" wireless service which connects you to your "personal"
        Mp3 archive. I read an article about apple and how they should
        make the attached product. But who want video???? I want music
        and portable access to MY music. YOu could probably sell these
        things like hotcakes? You don't need to worry about big clunky
        devices such as palm and ipaq, external HD's, just build a form
        follows function device fit for playing MP3's by connecting to
        remote device using wireless.  For christ sake you could plug
        into metrocoms network or something. ATT has supposedly also
        build out a very nice "personal" wireless service. - kinney
           \_ Why not just treat it as a wireless accessible personal
              file server / data storage.  If the files are mp3 files,
              so be it.
           \_ You missed a crucial caviat. Connect to Personal network. In
              effect what you are saying is your computer up in Berkeley with
              YOur MP3 collection can not be used by YOU. That is bogus and
              they can't do anything. That is like saying MP3 is illegal. Now
              if all of a sudden 10,000 people are hitting your computer that
              is different. So What might be required is documentation saying
              what MP3's you have and who owns them- That is straight forward
              and can simply be solved by MASSIVE HD space.  Each person would
              need their OWN directory- that way they can only listen to THEIR
              COLLECTION which is legal-- How the person obtains their own
              collection is their own business. Thus the connection device will
              come with its own personal remote secure folder using some the
              dirt cheap co-location space available.
                The key player will only be able to access that one directory.
                RIght now there is going to be a huge shift to remote storage of
              MP3's.  My solution fits the market exactly and tied with a
              wireless portable play you can't lose. And to the best of my
              knowledge it is legal as there is NO SHARING.
              Of course the sharing may be implied- "how did the user amass
              that 20gig collection?" but again that isn't my concern- answer
              "No idea.  Go ask the user?"  But then that answer does protect
              the users. So a better answer is- "Here is the schematic of the
              network- By design we are legal and since this is a private
              personal network no one- Not even me- has the rights to know what
              MP3's the user has?
        \_ That idea is DOA. RIAA will want their cut of the
           action and will insure any players will first pay
           their dues through them.  http://mp3.com was already
           proposing the idea, I believe, or something similar
           and look what happened to them.  My co-workers have
           been talking about general file servers connected to
           high bandwidth lines so that they can work from
           anyplace.  I think you have to provide privacy
           protection licensing in order to at the very least
           fend off copyright infringement laws in these cases.
           But as far as a company running it, forget it.  Forget
           the hardware as well because the RIAA will go after
           them as well unless they strike a deal with them. - keithyw
           \_ Why not just treat it as a wireless accessible personal
              file server / data storage.  If the files are mp3 files,
              so be it.
           \_ You missed a crucial caviat. Connect to Personal network. In
              effect what you are saying is your computer up in Berkeley with
              YOur MP3 collection can not be used by YOU. That is bogus and
              they can't do anything. That is like saying MP3 is illegal. Now
              if all of a sudden 10,000 people are hitting your computer that
              is different. So What might be required is documentation saying
              what MP3's you have and who owns them- That is straight forward
              and can simply be solved by MASSIVE HD space.  Each person would
              need their OWN directory- that way they can only listen to THEIR
              COLLECTION which is legal-- How the person obtains their own
              collection is their own business. Thus the connection device will
              come with its own personal remote secure folder using some the
              dirt cheap co-location space available.
                The key player will only be able to access that one directory.
                RIght now there is going to be a huge shift to remote storage of
              MP3's.  My solution fits the market exactly and tied with a
              wireless portable play you can't lose. And to the best of my
              knowledge it is legal as there is NO SHARING.
              Of course the sharing may be implied- "how did the user amass
              that 20gig collection?" but again that isn't my concern- answer
              "No idea.  Go ask the user?"  But then that answer does protect
              the users. So a better answer is- "Here is the schematic of the
              network- By design we are legal and since this is a private
              personal network no one- Not even me- has the rights to know what
              MP3's the user has?
              \_ That's what Aimster claims as well even though they
                 are a "sharing software." Look at what has happened
                 to them
        \_ The RIAA will have something to say about that because you can
           still distribute it across computers.
           \_ That is like saying MP3 is illegal.
              \_ In Taiwan they passed a law that treated (illegal)
                 .mp3s distrbuted through university networks like
                 "dangerous substances such as drugs."
                 \_ this is why capitalism sucks.
                    \_ no, this is why taiwan sucks.
2001/6/12-13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/Networking, Computer/Domains] UID:21495 Activity:high
6/12    I hear China censors some internet messages and internet sites.
        Do they have a large staff doing this?  What are good ways to
        circumvent this?  How effective are the censors?
        \_ subliminal channels, one-time pads or possibly pepto-bismol
        \_ They can block the big sites like http://cnn.com, but the little
           ones are more difficult and require a large stuff to monitor.
           ones are more difficult and require a large staff to monitor.
           You too can be a Communist Censor for Stability.
        \_ do they block packages like this:
           http://lolitateen.mylovething.com/teen112.jpg
           \_ I odrered one of these too, but UPS delivered mine all busted...
2001/6/12 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:21496 Activity:nil
6/12    Here's the bottom line: The RIAA wants to control all channels
        of distribution. For a user to access his own "private"
        collection may infringe upon the notion of "ownership." Meaning
        that by leaving those mp3s on an "open" (yes it is open because
        you have access to it outside of the LAN) network exposes the
        user to "potential" distribution infringement. http://mp3.com
        attempted something like this but the RIAA nuked that idea
        right out the water. The way it would have to work is if the
        RIAA forces the user to license each component of music that
        he/she has access to, regardless if they had, indeed, purchased
        it. Why? Because the RIAA can track that information still.
        How? Through the networking software. Tapes and CDs prove to be
        untrackable in terms of distribution but software is trackable
        especially over networks. As long as the RIAA can track their
        distribution, no user truly can have that sense of privacy. In
        terms of tapes and CDs, the RIAA would have to invade each
        suspected user's home and then provide a warrant to search
        their premise. That's ridiculous in terms of overhead.
        Networking software makes usage tracking simple. The idea won't fly.
        I might've been talking about mp3 cell phones that are
        distributed by sony a while back. The reason why those are
        novel (albeit not necessarily popular) is because 1) it's Sony
        and DoCoMo doing the distribution; 2) the method of transmission
        is done through the memory chip. The memory chip is portable
        and removable so it's effectively like copying onto a tape.
        Supposedly the new G4 technology being pushed by DoCoMo will
        have a Java client that gets streaming audio/video to your
        phone. If it does, you can guarantee those lines won't be
        private and if they are it'll be challenged in court. - keithyw
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