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| 2001/5/10 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:21219 Activity:nil |
5/9 I am looking for windows 98 exploits. Where's a good place
to start? |
| 2001/5/10 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:21220 Activity:very high |
5/9 Congratulations on the fifty sixth anniversary of the great victory
of the Soviet people over the german aggressors.
\_ soviet who?
\_ what battle was this? -ig'nant
\_ This was the Great Patriotic War, also known as World War 2.
\_ Little Troll, in order to attract attention you must stick with
topics people think they know something about or have an opinion
on. Your implying that the Soviets did all the work in WWII to
put down the Nazis, that the Allies weren't even there and further
that the Soviets were some sort of innocent victims headed by that
benevolent butcher Stalin is wasted on the ignorant masses on the
motd. Those of us who know what you're talking about know better.
You can't rewrite history like this. Maybe you could get someone
upset for about 3 seconds if you denied the holocaust. 3 seconds.
\_ I beg to differ. Judging by the responses below, that was
a hell of a troll.
\_ There's a difference between getting hyped up about it which
was the intent of the troll and educating him. I seriously
doubt he wanted lessons on WWII from half the motd authors.
\_ Ah, but I am not rewriting history at all. The point is,
Russia does celebrate May 9th as V-day. And it does so happen
that it was Russia that broke Wehrmacht's back, and took Berlin
(at a great loss of life too, 20 million was a state figure, it
was more like 50 million). Now, I certainly don't think Stalin
was benevolent by any stretch of imagination, but the russians
did win, bad leadership or no. And I give credit where credit
is due. Now, what did Americans do during the war besides
providing attrition for the U-boat torpedo bays with their endless
supply of trading vessels?
\_ Uh, Americans took Normady, Sicily, North Africa and
the retook the philipines and most of south asia.
As I recall, American and Russian forces entered Berlin
on the same day.
\_ Americans took Sicily from Italians who knew very little
about war (incidentally Italians and Romanians were the
rear units of the Army Group assigned to take
Stalingrad, they were easily overrun and destroyed by
the Russians, completing the encirclement.) The Allies
didn't take North Africa from the Axis for as long as
Rommel was there, kicking ass and taking names.
\_ Rommel got his ass kicked in N.Africa. Try again.
Americans did take Normandy with some loss of life, and
I admit it to have been a gutsy move on their part. My
point is, all these operations were minor at best, and
had no tangible influence on the outcome of the War that
was essentially fought on the Russian steppes.
\_ It's your point, yes, but it's also complete
nonsense.
\_ There's a reason it was called an "alliance". Without the
Americans (and British, Canadians, etc, etc) pulling forces
away from the east, the Russians would have been lucky to lose
only 50 million and it would've been a miracle if they didn't
get totally crushed even under the weak military leadership
Hitler provided. That the Russians have a holiday for
something hardly makes it a historical fact that they single
handedly defeated the Nazis while the West watched from the
sidelines. Your last line about uboats is historically
inaccurate and your entire revisionist line is a reinvention
of reality. At least this time you tried to provide some
facts even though your baiting was still based on a flawed
understanding of history. Read a book not published by the
producers of the People's Daily World some day. For true
trolling you would have posted more numbers without any
citation and taken them as gospel. You're getting better but
still need some work. I'm changing your D- to a B-.
\_ Troll schools are hard up for teachers, aren't they?
Check http://uboat.net for the gory details of the U-boat war
that american propaganda does not talk about. Germans
measured U-boat success in thousands of tons of shipping
sunk. As in 80 this month, 200 that month. Do you realize
how much that is? As for the West 'helping' the only real
help they provided to russia was very limited material
assistance via Archangelsk (which they could certainly
have done without). By the time the Allies joined the
war in 1944, it was already won, the russians were chasing
germans across eastern europe back into Berlin.
\_ Yeah, the Russians did the most fighting, but even
before normandy, the other allies absorbed some
German forces in north africa, the balkans, battle of
britain, bombing of Germany, etc.
\_ True enough, Rommel and his Afrika Corp was kept
somewhat occupied trouncing British forces (which
outnumbered him and had far more supplies). The
poster I was replying to, though, was claiming that
without Allies Russia would have likely lost, which
is ridiculous. America deliberately sat on the
sidelines to let Russia and Germany bleed each other.
This is a fine political strategy, but please don't
have the gall to claim some sort of value or military
worth for America's participation in WWII.
\_ Rommel got pounded in North Africa. He wasn't
"kept somewhat occupied".
\_ well, you have to admit that russia got its ass
kicked hard up until stalingrad. the germans
failed at stalingrad partly due to factors caused
by having to deal with the other allies on the
other fronts, and having their airforce wiped out,
and being bombed to hell by massive fleets of
US bombers. if the germans had been able to bring
the full blitzkrieg on early enough, with full
support, it's doubtful the russians would have
made it through that winter.
\_ Russia did get its ass kicked hard. But the
victory at Stalingrad was entirely Russia's.
The bombing that early in the war had no
appreciable effect, Britain's Bomber command
was taking it's heaviest losses at that time.
The real reason Russia won Stalingrad was
Hitler's stupid insistence on taking the city
(as it was symbolic, being named after his
adversary), as well Russia's first use of
sophisticated pincer tactics in delaying the
bulk of German forces in Stalingrad's rubble,
while using fresh divisions to surround, break
up, and finally destroy Paulus' forces.
\_ Russia hardly invented pincer tactics. The
Romans were flanking their enemies 2000+
years earlier. Good try.
\_ You didn't parse my sentence correctly.
I didn't claim Russia invented pincer
tactics, merely that Stalingrad was the
first time Russia used such tactics.
\_ I agree. I have a lot of respect for the Russian
tenacity in breaking the Wehrmacht. I agree that
Russia would likely be able to defeat Hitler
even without the western front being opened, as
can be seen from Stalingrad and Kursk. However,
US and Britain did make the job much easier and
less costly with the landing at Normandy and
subsequent actions. US involvement also prevented
western Europe from becoming Soviet's protectorates.
Also, we must remember that WWII started when
Hitler and Stalin decided to divide up Poland.
Finally, US did help win the War in Asia.
\_ Russia probably could have helped herself a lot more by not
signing a treaty with the Nazis in 1939, dividing Poland between
the two of them, and sitting on their collective asses while
Western Europe was overrun in the blitzkrieg.
\_ Wouldn't have worked. Even before his rise to power
Hitler felt that russia could not be trusted and
would need to have been eliminated.
\_ General Patten (sp?) felt the same.
\_ well, then they probably wouldn't have ended up annexing
said half of poland, and east prussia. i bet stalin didn't
really give a shit about the tens of millions of lost lives.
strategically, the war was quite good for russia and made
them a superpower.
\_ Um, isn't (s)he talking about some specific event, like that
time when they led the Germans in really deep over the cracking
ice so they all froze and drowned?
\_ Dude, that event is Alexander Nevsky's victory over the
mute Germans. That happened like in the 14th cent. or sth.
\_ Hmm, this sounds like how they defeated the French army
under Napoloen.
\_ A little known meteorological fact: The worst winters in
Russian history were in the years 1812, and 1943.
\_ How lucky the Russians were!
\_ "Lucky."
\_ It's not that the Russians were lucky, it's
just that evil people like Napoleon and Hitler
were unlucky. Napoleon's real bad luck was that
he fought a Britain that just started undergoing
the industrial revolution. |
| 2001/5/10 [Computer/Networking] UID:21221 Activity:kinda low |
5/9 netstat -upl, run as root on a Linux box:
Active Internet connections (only servers)
Proto Local Address Foreign Address PID/Program name
udp *:32768 *:* -
udp *:799 *:* -
udp *:800 *:* -
udp *:sunrpc *:* 110/portmap
Is there any way of determining who is listening on 32768
and friends? I don't think I've been 0wn3d...?
\_ lsof -i :32768
\_ losf is probably trojaned, so is netstat. You will
never be able to track it down. Reinstall while you
still have a chance.
\_ Victim could build and copy in tools from somewhere else
but if Victim was really hacked, you're right. Reinstall
and do a better job securing the box next time.
\_ So, what, go OpenBSD?
\_ Or maybe just stop running random and useless services you
don't need or use that are known to come from a bad code
base like wu-ftpd.
\_ "lsof -V -i UDP:32768" produces:
lsof: Internet address not located: UDP:32768 |
| 2001/5/10 [Recreation/Celebrity/MichaelJackson, Recreation/Food] UID:21222 Activity:high |
5/9 Boy howdy isn't he delicious? http://www.geocities.com/asianprince213 \_ that must be the love child of Michael Jackson and Little Richard. \_ yum! http://www.geocities.com/asianprince213/Possibly.htm \_ Omigawd! It's President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo with a mustache! Got chocolate milk? -brian \_ The one named "George" is fake. It's the picture of an actor in Hong Kong. \_ actually I've also seen this guy with his own personal web ad. |
| 2001/5/10 [Science/Space, Science/Electric] UID:21223 Activity:high |
5/9 You realize that if the people in LA stop running the 8hr swimming
pool motor, we wouldn't have this power crisis? Of course their
pool is gonna be moldy, but who cares...
\_ You realise that per capita, Californians conserve more power than
any other State's citizens and that we need more power plants?
\_ Would somebody verify this? I've seen it in an email forward
but I don't believe it.
\_ Californians live in California, which needs heating and
cooling less than any other state. -tom
\_ Which means there isn't much more conserving to be done.
We're already using less power than if we were in Texas
during summer or Maine during winter. You can't squeeze
blood from a rock.
\_ Not necessarily. It *could* mean that we can cut back
even more on heating and cooling given the relatively
mild climate, as long as we are willing to tolerate
a bigger temperature range with our bodies. Just set
back your thermostats a little, and turn it off when
you're not there. Also turn off the monitors and
lights when you leave your office. All are just
simple easy steps. I have a friend who lives alone in
a 2400sq ft house in Santa Clara. He leaves his AC on
24hrs/day. I asked him why he doesn't turn it off
when he goes to work to try to conserve, and he said
"oh, because electricity is cheap."
\_ This simply means he isn't paying what the power
really costs. Ask him again at the end of July
when he sees that month's bill how cheap his power
is after the next rate increase. Anyway, your one
friend is hardly representitive of the average CA
citizen. Resources are a supply/demand problem.
I find it silly to attack the problem from only
one side. Yes, people should not waste power on
stuff (like turn off the lights when you leave a
room, duh), however we should be increasing supply
as well. Note that a lot of the problem is that
the so-called de-regulation (it wasn't) disallowed
the signing of long term low cost power contracts
so pg&e and sdge(?) got stuck buying spot power at
short term daily rates. Ooops. This situation is
not the fault of the consumer.
\_ And don't leave your computer on just because you
want to process more SETI@home units. That defeats
the original purpose of the project which is to
utilize computer uptime that are otherwise wasted.
\_ I think employers should fine their employees who
don't turn things off when they leave work.
\_ We call this "layoffs" or "firing". Fines are
for the government not your employer.
\_ Search for "California ranks 48th" and you can find the chain-
letter in all kinds of chat sites. I think that's just what it
is -- a chain letter.
\_ They could run the motors at night, when the load isn't peaked
by all the damn air conditioners. PG&E and/or Edison was supposedly
offering $20 rebates (peanuts, IMHO) to people who do this.
\_ on an unrelated note, how is generated electricity stored?
Curious mind wants to know.
\_ Giant capacitors
\_ wrong.
\_ It was a damn joke fool.
\_ I guess stored by pumping water upward as potential energy.
\_ wrong.
\_ This is definitely one of the ways. The State Water Project
pumps water back into some of the reservoirs during off-peak
hours so that they can use the water for generating power
during peak hours. -ulysses
\_ Human batteries
\_ wrong.
\_ that's the problem, for the most part, it isn't stored
\_ wrong.
\_ all electricity goes from the electric company to your house
and back to the electric company. it's a big scam.
\_ correct.
\_ morons. |
| 2001/5/10 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:21224 Activity:nil |
5/9 I'm having trouble getting vi on OpenBSD to load .exrc/.virc.
Anyone have a similar experience?
\_ Make sure you do not have an $EXINIT or $NEXINIT environment
variable set.
\_ Thanks! I think that worked. |
| 2001/5/10 [Health/Men] UID:21225 Activity:nil |
5/9 The X-Men are coming soon! Mutant kids everywhere!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,487857,00.html |
| 2001/5/10 [Finance/Shopping] UID:21226 Activity:kinda low |
5/9 Anyone have any opinions on video projectors? I need
to buy one and cost is an issue. I've only ever used the
fancy, schamncy ones that cost over $5k. In particular,
are the cheaper Infocus models any good? -payam
\_ used a cheaper-end Infocus machine to display the Boston Aquarium cam
on the wall of our office for a while: worked fine, easy to set up,
power cable pretty much interchangeable with that of any number of
office machines-- doesn't handle resolutions above 800x600 too well |
| 2001/5/10 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:21227 Activity:nil |
5/9 The SOUTH will rise again.
\_ Dammit, yermom is on the computer again.
\_ yeah she got tired of being on you.
\_ She never gets tired of being on me. - #1 stunna
\_ Example of bad troll. No one on the west coast gives a shit about
the civil war, the south, the confederacy or anything else related.
\_ Y'all come back now, y'a hear?
\_ All the non-black "minorities" don't care? I do. -- asian
\_ You care about some nonsense about "the south rising again"?
Get over it. Asian or otherwise.
\_ WTF is a minority? There are only two types of people
in this world Americans and non-Americans. I belong
to the former. What about you?
\_ That makes you a minority as most of the world fits into
the "non-American" category. :-)
\_ They're too busy being stuck in traffic to be rising anywhere.
\_ http://www.theonion.com/onion3613/south_postpones.html |
| 2001/5/10 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:21228 Activity:high |
5/9 Does anybody have clearer photos on how to perform either
the "cog-trick" or the "knife-trick" disk swap on a ps2?
The demonstration photos on the web are abysmal. It's
too bad they haven't figured out a complete, external usb
plug-in other than the sbox plug which...doesn't help very much.
Much obliged.
\_ sign your name so we can send out the Hunter Killer Aibo
to give you a personal demonstration. -jwang@playstation.sony.com
\_ it's not that hard to figure out from the pictures on the web.
imo, the knife method is easier if you use a nail file. grab
the file from sgt. dan's site (http://ps2.sgt-dan.com/)...and i'm
not afraid to sign my name. -uctt
\_ the photo I've seen of how to remove the front panel
of the drawer isn't THAT clear. And admittedly, I am
a bit leery about accidentally breaking off the tab
that holds it in place. I mean, it'd still work...but
it'd be like if you had a new car and then proceeded
the next day to dent the front end by hitting a tree
or something...
And jwang, I got one thing for you. No, make that two:
1) =P PPPPPPLLLLlllllllllllllllt! Neener neener neener
you can't catch me. I'll do whatever I damn well please.
2) (__)(__) Kiss my ugly deformed ass, motherf******!!!
\_ You're such a twink. --!jwang
\_ <DEAD>ps2central.pika-power.com/main.html<DEAD> has good pictures
|_ How about a ps2 mod chip or workaround ?
\_ it's really hard to get that cover off without breaking off the
little tab. i was real careful and got it out without breaking
but it later ended up breaking off anyway. there are ps2 chips
(sbox and neo2 are the most popular) but there's really no
need to get one at this point. the chips aren't that great
and you still need to swap disks with gameshark 2. just get
a gameshark 2 to play your backups. -uctt |
| 2001/5/10 [Uncategorized] UID:21229 Activity:kinda low |
5/8 How do I make majordomo not send me 2 copies of emails sent to
lista@foo.com and listb@foo.com when I'm on both mailing lists?
I have perms on http://foo.com, but dont want to go from 1.9.4 to mj2
\_ Unsubscribe from one of the lists. :-) |
| 2001/5/10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:21230 Activity:very high |
5/10 From McVeigh's own words, censored by the US Media:
\_ censored my ass. this is old news.
"Therefore this bombing was meant as a pre-emptive (or
pro-active) strike against these forces and their command and
control centres within the federal building. When an aggressor
force continually launches attacks from a particular base of
operations, it is sound military strategy to take the fight to
the enemy. Additionally, borrowing a page from US foreign
policy, I decided to send a message to a government that was
becoming increasingly hostile, by bombing a government building
and the government employees within that building who represent
that government. Bombing the Murrah federal building was
morally and strategically equivalent to the US hitting a
government building in Serbia, Iraq, or other nations." -FC
\_ Why would anyone bother to censor crap like this? And if it was
censored, how did you get the quote?
\_ How do we justify calling it crap? I'd like to see him hanged,
but his statement above doesn't seem illogical.
\_ He's a whack and a mass murderer and his 'statement' about
being some sort of warrior for good and the american way is,
at best, just an incredibly lame rationalization. It's crap.
\_ us bombing iraq is a state taking action against another
state. someone bombing a us building, is a citizen
against the state. the rules of engagement are different
and methods of enforcement are different. also, if iraq could,
it would retaliate against US. in the same way that US
it retaliating against mcveigh.
\_ I dont understand what the problem is about paying
some schmuck $1mil to do exactly what mcveigh did, and
leave the country. If mcveigh did that, he never would have
been caught. But apparrently iraq doesnt wish to waste
its money like that. Its not a "cant", its a "wont".
Because if they did that, and iraq was discovered as the
instigator, the US would bomb the crap out of iraq.
This whole iraq "issue" would have been resolved a long
time ago if there was all-out war between the US and iraq.
\_ Who really cares what a whack job like McVeigh thinks? |
| 2001/5/10-12 [Science/Electric, Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/HW/Display] UID:21231 Activity:kinda low |
5/10 I remember reading that flat-panels work best at their singluar native
resolution (usually something like 1024x768) and looked not as good at
other resolutions. Do current flat-panels still have such issues?
\_ Yes. It's funadmental to the design. -tom
\_ I just bought a Dell Inspiron 8000 with a native resolution of
1400x1050 and although the display does not look as sharp in a
non-native resolution (like 1280x1024 or 1024x768) it is more
than acceptable. I don't see any strange artifacts of things of
that nature, I believe the technology for doing this has advanced
in recent years. -eric
\_ The only way you could ever have one that looked (nearly) as
good as a CRT is if you had a high enough resolution such that
you could use even multiples of scaled pixels to simulate the
lower resolution. i.e.: you can't "do" a clean 640x480 with
a 1024x768 monitor, but you could with a 1280x960 screen (use
a square of 4 pixels to simulate a single larger one), and it
would look just fine.
\_ I assume you mean LCD displays? there are also plasma flat panels.
LCDs obviously have a native resolution.
\_ plasma displays are cell-based too. but w/ additional color
fidelity than lcds, they usually show fuzzy resampling
artifacts instead of the interleaved integer pixel expansions
of lcd panels at non-native resolutions. |
| 2001/5/10-11 [Health] UID:21232 Activity:moderate |
5/10 Watching TV one'd think that Americans are in a lot of pain because of
all the pain killer commercials. Tylenol, Advil, etc. Just how
often do Americans get headaches? I for one can't even remember the
last time that I had a headache.
a couple times a day:
a couple times a week:
a couple times a month:
once a month: <none, there are no females who read the motd>
Only when I'm sick: .
I can't really tell cuz yermom is sitting on my face: .
have headache but don't take pain killers: . |
| 2001/5/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:21233 Activity:kinda low |
5/10 Some motd cleaning. Go to the archives if you care.
\_ Where? |
| 2001/5/10-12 [Computer/SW/Database] UID:21234 Activity:high |
5/10 Is it too much to ask: I'm looking for an open-source accounting/
inventory controll application. suggestions? If there are none
(i've been unsuccessful searching) is that an inditement of open-
source. (i.e. boring but usefull sofware will not get made in an
all open source world).
\_ boring is in the eye of the beholder.
\_ spelling is usefull [sic]. Your troll is pathetic. Open-source is
\_ Shouldn't that be trolll?
\_ heh. A+.
not equivalent to "developed by volunteers". And the lack of
a particular kind of software is no more an inditement [sic] of
open-source than the lack of a closed-source "mutt" is an
indictment of closed-source. In this particular case, the MOTD
has already given you multiple open-source solutions. -tom
\_ Yes, "spelling" allows one to write a word which others will
understand to be the same word. Oh, but you did understand.
Close Enough: Hand Grenades, HorseShoes and Spelling.
SQL-ledger was exactly what i was looking for (thanks below)
I had not seen it on the MOTD before.
\_ Yes, I understood that you're a fucking idiot. If that's
the message you're trying to get across, good job. -tom
\_ wasn't this answered in a previous motd question?
\_ sql-ledger |
| 2001/5/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:21235 Activity:high |
5/10 I know this sounds like a troll, but seriously.... There's a sticker
on the gas pump at my local station that says, "This product contains
MTBE which is known to the State of California to cause environmental
harm". Ok, knew that. But the idea was supposed to be that we add
MTBE to protect the environment. But here we are with MTBE laden
fuel that costs more but doesn't protect anything. What gives? Is
there a real explanation for this? Why are we using MTBE?
\_ MTBE lowers hazzardous air emissions, but contaminates
ground water. EPA misadvised the Bush Sr. Administration
which signed off prematurely and corporate lobbies pushed MTBE
through before we knew the later facts about ground water
in detail.
\_ Ok, so what does MTBE do for the corporate lobbies? What do
they care? And why can't we dump it now that we know better?
\_ MTBE clean up for a gas station is extremely expensive.
\_ So they don't have to do any cleanup as long as they put
the stuff in the gas and continue poisoning the water
supply, but once they decide to stop ruining the water,
it suddenly becomes expensive?
\_ Cleanup is now required by state law.
\_ I read that MTBE can be substitued by ethanol. Eliminating
MTBE can mean either increase (if air standard is still
required) or decrease (if air standard is lowered) ethanol
demand. Ethanol is made from corn. Corn in US is politics.
-- yuen
\_ MTBE is a by-product of the refining process, so otherwise
the refineries would have to dispose of it. That's why they
want to keep selling it |
| 2001/5/10-12 [Industry/Jobs, Industry/Startup] UID:21236 Activity:high |
5/10 I've been having a hell of a time finding any summer jobs.
Is anyone here hiring programmers for the summer?
\_ Unfortunately not. I've been trying to push our company
to hire a few interns this summer and its almost impossible.
No one wants to spend money on *anything* including interns.
\_ No.
\_ shit is tough right now, I've been looking as well...
\_ Think, "dotcoms bomb, programmers everywhere". Kid there are so
many unemployed and underemployed coders out there with years more
real world experience than you that you should forget about any
sort of technical job this summer and just find a nice beach. In
fact there are plenty of very talented and highly skilled people
out of work right now willing to take almost anything.
You just can't admit to yourselves that you are not that bright.
\_ Stupid dotcom programmers everywhere. I don't know a single
intelligent programmer who is having a hard time finding work.
The last time smart people had problems with work was 1930s.
\_ I think it has less to do with how smart the person is and
more to do with how "on the money" the company itself is.
if the company is a loser, it doesn't matter how "useful"
you could be because you're expending your smarts on stuff
that really doesn't matter to the people paying the bills,
which is ultimately the customers. Of course, it's harder
to get a job at a good company because you're competing
against the other smart people. And obviously, this is
because smart people look at the business plan and don't
go work for a loser. Ergo, dotcommers are NOT smart. QED.
I guess I just contradicted myself. Whatever.
\_ Yes, it's easy to use 20/20 to say what was good and what
was bad. If I was employee #1 at Netscape or Yahoo or
others I'd be a genius, right? No. There's a lot of
luck involved. Research and business plan examining only
goes so far. If it was that easy, then every business
plan would be a success as no one would ever have a bad
plan. You're not making sense.
\_ Well, Netscape had a crappy business plan; they were
a stock only company. I for one never saw anything
to it, it was clear early on that the value of the
browser was only strategic; since Netscape didn't
have anything to leverage the browser with it was
pointless. Yahoo is a decent company because they
actually have a business model and are useful.
But it's a web site; they don't need armies of
developers. Most of the failed dotcoms were hyped
bullshit and many people said as much at the time.
\_ Netscape was selling the server, not the browser.
You *could* buy the browser but that wasn't their
point. Yahoo is just a web site? You've never
actually looked at all the different shit Yahoo
offers, then. Go look around their site at all
the services (whether you find them personally
useful or not) and tell me that doesn't take a
lot of coders to write and maintain?
\_ it was the browser that had the value. since
they didn't take advantage of it when they had
the chance, i attribute it to poor management.
those "servers" obviously weren't demanded by
the market. the browser was; but it doesn't
make money on its own. i guess it's true that
microsoft killed them, but then who didn't see
that coming once IE 1.0 came out. as for yahoo,
it's a portal, they are a good one with a large
customer base, but that business model just
doesn't support a big overhead. how many is
"a lot" of coders to you? most of it looks like
monkey work.
\_ How many is "an army of developers" to you?
This is all beside the point. The front office
girl at NS retired a multi millionaire. Was
she a genius or she just get lucky? The point
being that you can't *know* for certain if a
small company will make it until it's all
hindsight and the post-analysis geniuses crawl
out from under their rocks and claim they knew
it all along.
\_ Yes, you rule the universe.
\_ No, but we are smarter than you.
\_ No, I'm certain you rule the universe. Afterall,
it's a fact that anyone who ever worked for a
company that did layoffs or went out of business is
a no-talent moron, right?
\_ You are making a clumsy strawman, no wonder you
can't find work. No, smart people get laid off
too, but unlike mediocrities like you, they can
easily find another job.
\_ I didn't make the strawman. Just rewording
the one that was already there. And because
I know you're concerned, I'm gainfully
employed. Thanks for showing concern. Are
you one of the academic employees here who
mistakenly believes that skilled people
always easily get a new job and lesser
talents don't? The world isn't like that.
\_ No I am not, I am merely a programmer
who was not laid off (because I was
actually useful to my company).
\_ Silly boy. A lot of programmers who
are useful to their companies got the
axe. No one is immune. You honestly
\_ I am immune.
\_ Only if you
work for a
company of
one and maybe
not even then.
--------------/
My company is an obvious
counterexample (60). The basic
point you seem unable to
comprehend is, despite what
managers tell you, in times of
belt tightening the fat, not
the muscle, gets eliminated.
If you were eliminated you
were not useful. If you are
still working, you are useful.
End of story. Stop
hypothesising (incorrectly)
about the possible state of
my company, or else continue
sounding the fool.
\_ 60 people? You work for a
tiny blip of a company and
think your company is immune
to the economy and the
marketplace? I've seen
perfectly good people get
axed at several companies.
You're fooling yourself if
you think your tiny little
speck of a company is some
magical wonderland immune
to a bad economy, management
mistakes, overhiring,
changes in the market which
make your product/service
obsolete or unnecessary or
any of a million other
causes of company downturn
and layoffs. Is this your
first job? You sound a lot
like my friends who thought
their first job was magic,
too.
\_ My first job sucked.
\_ If times get too tight
even you will go.
\_ Sure, along with the
whole company. This
will happen if we have
another 1930s style
recession, then it will
suck for everyone, even
smart people. Right now,
however, only idiots are
let go.
\_ That's all I ment
by the statement
that no one is
immune.
\_ 1930s was a depression.
\_ What's the name of
this special place you
work for (currently)?
I'd like to judge for
myself how long you'll
have a job.
\_ I ll know in a year
if the company
succeeds.
\_ *laugh* Not if
you get laid off
first!
\_ No way!
think the people doing the cutting
even know who the hell you are or that
you exist as anything more than an
employee number, a title, and a number
on their salary spreadsheet? You'll
figure it out one day. No one
important at your company knows who
the hell you are or gives a damn.
\_ Everyone important knows who I am.
It's not a large company, of
course. Stop hypothesising
(incorrectly) about the possible
state of my company, or else
continue sounding the fool.
\_ URL, please?
\_ Not quite. The large number of idiots currently in the job
market make it harder for employers to spot the worthwhile
job applicants. Also, many companies are currently under
hiring freezes, which make it more difficult for them to
hire worthwhile people when they *do* identify them.
\_ Kid, I hear the mall is hiring. Try Mrs. Field, they're always
hiring.
\_ And think of all the free cookies you and your friends can
get. Since your friends won't have jobs either, they'll
really appreciate the free cookies.
\_ In Portland all my friends had retail food jobs. Rent was
very low (less than $300) and we never had to buy food
due to our network. Our rent may not be low here, but
remember it pays to make lots of friends and always give
out free things if you can afford it. It will help you
through tougher times. -brain
\_ It's a good summer to do research and take summer school...
\_ I'm hungry. Go make me some fries.
\_ I'm not just making a burger. I'm making your burger.
\_ go work in las vegas.
\_ Those fishing boats up in AK might hire.
\_ Slave labor is always available in good times and bad, yes. |
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5/10 McVeigh exterminated for not being an interesting topic.
\_ we should air the execute primetime just like the good ole
days in france. that's about the only thing the french ever did
that was useful/good/beneficial to humanity, that and inventing
the white flag (only they could come up with that).
\_ McVeigh may not be executed. http://www.drugereport.com |
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5/9/1945 Germany exterminated for excessive suck.
\_ boring! go back to that infamy guy. |
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