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| 2001/3/21 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:20865 Activity:very high |
3/20 Hi. it appears that people have been flaming ][e about vp-like
administrative policies. In the future, please direct the mail
to vice-president@csua.berkeley.edu (duh). - paolo
\_ Jon's just pissed 'cuz he did more work than he had to
\_ He's under no contractual obligation to do anything if he
doesn't want to.
\_ Just as the VP is under no obligation to do his job if
he doesn't want to. I guess he should email poliburo
about it.
\_ Actually, the VP has obligations as outlined in the
CSUA Constitution. If he is unable to perform these
duties, he should resign.
\_ he should email vp about it then. - paolo
\_ I have paolo. I'm still waiting for you to do your job. -Jon
\_ i'm not seeing anything new to root or vp, unless it's
the .43 net thing which is solved already. - paolo
\_ what about the broken sshd? -tom
\_ Its not broken. It works fine for SSHv1
and OpenSSH clients. Get a different client.
\_ what would you call a server that violates
protocols? I would call it broken. The
fact that openssh clients also violate
protocols doesn't make the server any
less broken. And, once again, there's
ABSOLUTELY NO ADVANTAGE TO USING OPENSSH.
-tom
\_ Totally there is! Open source!
with *BSD, MacOS X, LinSUX, etc.
\_ Why don't we run both versions? Run
the non-OpenSSH version of port 69
so that tom will shutup.
\_ Uh, its free and it comes preinstalled
with *BSD, MacOS X, Linux, etc.
WTF would I want to download something
extra from http://ssh.com that isn't nearly
as well audited as OpenSSH and isn't
free for corporate users?
\_ what difference does it make
whether it's free for corporate
users? You would want to download
it because IT SUPPORTS MORE CLIENTS.
Are you really this stupid? -tom
\_ Because some of us are corporate
users, not gub'ment 'ployees.
\_ since you clearly are not making any
progress getting the powers that be to
switch from OpenSSH, why don't you
harass the OpenSSH people and get them
to fix it?
\_ So, you like the added bloat of having
to start the ssh1 daemon every time an
ssh1 client connects? Once OpenSSH
supports shession rekeying (promissed in
the next major release) there will be
no reason not to use OpenSSH.
\_ That's an old thing that he isn't fixing, not
a new thing.
\_ well, like Jon said, he's not doing his
job. -tom
\_ It's a student .org. No one cares but
you. Run for VP. Oh wait, you can't.
\_ what the fuck are you bitter, insignificant
poor suffering morons whining about?
\_ lack of asian chic?
\_ azn chix p.
\_ SKY? Is that you SKY? Is Muchandr dead?
\_ Muchandr is not dead, but he looks like a shadow
of his former rambunctious self, haunting
Berkeley downtown. |
| 2001/3/21-22 [Computer/Networking] UID:20866 Activity:very high |
3/21 Recommendations for a good surge protector? I've already had one
network router get fried from a recent blackout and don't intend
to have any other computer components die on me.
\_ UPS? --dim
\_ um, ever heard of a $10 surge protector? DIMWIT.
\_ i don't think a 10 surge protector will protect you very much
\_ each surge protector has a certain rating on them. When you
buy them, take a look at the rating. Get the better rated
one (is it a rating in Joules?)
\_ You lost a $1000+ router and still haven't learned your lesson?
Get a UPS. Don't be cheap or stupid. $99.
\_ Who said it was $1000? Maybe I should've been more specific
(although it really doesn't matter in this discussion).
It was one of those $200 DSL sharing routers. And I had a $30
surge protector (as opposed to $10?) which didn't do a bit of
good. Ok, maybe a better question is: is there a brand of
surge protectors or UPS that people trust?
\_If it was a $30 surge protector, did it come with a guarentee
to protect at least a couple hundred dollars worth of equipment?
If it did (check with the manufacturer) then just put in a claim.
\_ surge protectors are useless. APC is the UPS brand. -tom
\ Exodus uses MGE
\_ APC also makes surge protectors. are those useless?
\_ Yes. UPS or nothing. Anything less than UPS is
just fooling yourself.
\_ Correct me if I am wrong. I believe that surge
protectors are good at preventing your equipment
from getting fried by lightning strikes, etc.
but for UPSs, in addtional to the above, it also
prevents data corruptions caused by these
frequent short duration (less than a second,
to a few seconds) power interruptions that
sometimes cause your computer to reboot.
\_ surge protectors are absolutely not good at
protecting your equipment from power
surges. They can be worse than plugging
into the wall. A UPS is a requirement, not
because of the battery backup, but because
the power circuit is isolated. -tom
\_ and APC surge protectors are no better
than the really cheap ones?
\_ No. Stop kidding yourself.
\_ I have one of those $50+
tripp lite surge protectors with
all-metal casing. Are those
any good?
\_ I don't think it was meant for lightning
strikes. surge protectors are to protect
you equipment in case there's a low resistance
path in your machine causing excessive current
flow. In which case, the surge protector will
cut off flow all together.
\_ No way in hell will your cheapo surge protector
stop a lightning strike. Read the disclaimers
that came with it. They don't claim lightning
protection. They claim surge protection.
\_What do you think a lightning strike is, dildo,
a big-ass-motherfucking surge.
\_ Moron, read the fucking disclaimers. They
make it clear enough for even a dipshit like
you to figure out that "big-ass-etc" surges
such as, oh say, *LIGHTNING* are _not_
covered. Idiot. Who taught you to live? |
| 2001/3/21-22 [Uncategorized] UID:20867 Activity:high |
3/21 If a user were to leave top running on a system perpetually, would
that cause a constant, appreciable performance hit (this is actually
happening on an ultra1, and the user is an admin, not at ucb)
\_ Not really. -tom
\_ On older machines, top would take 20% or more cpu time. It still
isn't any more efficient now. A faster/modern machine will have
more cycles to kick around on this. I suggest using top to see
how much load top requires on that host.
\_ Why would you want to run top all the time anyway?
\_ Because the sysadmin is too stupid to figure out how to use
SNMP, sar, or a million other less intrusive tools to track
system resource usage.
\_ whereis sar? (what is it too?)
\_ /usr/sbin on Solaris. See the Sun
Performance Tuning book by Cockcroft for
more info. |
| 2001/3/21-22 [Recreation/Dating] UID:20868 Activity:high |
3/20 Where's a good place to learn about Makefile and esoteric commands
within like patsubst, etc etc?
\_ the manual
\_ you should ask the Olsen Twins:
http://www.ak82.com/mkao/mag/mag13.jpg
\_ They look a lot like Topanga from Boy Meets World
\_ didn't that chick play Alia in dlynch's Dune?
\_ They are all part of the great tv genetic breeding pool
\_ dig the trampy hair. We need to ruin their lives diff'rent
strikes-style so we can get some lesbian sister girl-girl porn
\_ i'd see that for a dollar
\_ oh you _know_ that's what's going to happen when they hit 18
and have to do a "coming of sexual age" movie so they can
break little girl typecasting. (ala Poison Ivy, Showgirls..)
\_ Dig the "I'm a clone white chick blond" thing.
\_ what?
\_ um, what does this have to do with Makefile?
\_ Nothing. It's the motd. |
| 2001/3/21-22 [Politics/Domestic] UID:20869 Activity:very high |
3/21 http://www2.uclick.com/client/nyt/gm Both true and amusing cartoon. \_ That cartoon is neither true nor amusing. You bastard, you wasted three seconds of my life. \_ and I want them back! \_ that should have been an elephant presented a sign that reads "fiscal responsibility" or "healthy economy" \_ Responsibility? You think taking away ONE-HALF(!!!) of what I *earn* and handing it over to the largest beauracracy on the planet is a *responsible* way to spend my money? Are you totally insane? _What_ exactly is responsible about that? What exactly is wrong with the government spending based on what they need to within a budget on a program by program basis rather than just automatically inflted every single budget every year in every lame program without any serious oversight or questioning of how *my* money is getting spent or *ever* cutting back on anything? And no, reducing the rate of growth is not a cut. That's the stupidiest shit I've seen on the motd in... in... god... days. And *that* is saying a lot, given the sort of ignorant crap some of you people post. \_ [restored. sorry if the truth hurts, you censoring bastard] |
| 2001/3/21 [Computer/SW/OS/Misc, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:20870 Activity:nil 58%like:20874 |
3/21 What's the proper way to say:
HPUX 1) H-P You-EX or 2) H-Pux?
Linux 1) Linn-nex 2) Line-nex
new Solaris 1) Solaris2.8 2) Solaris5.8 3) Solaris8?
\_ Who cares? |
| 2001/3/21 [Computer/Networking] UID:20871 Activity:high |
3/21 Cisco must die!!!
\_ because? |
| 2001/3/21-22 [Recreation/Travel/LasVegas] UID:20872 Activity:moderate |
3/21 http://www.tom.holub.isgay.com taking net abuse to the next level. \_ not new. http://the.motd.really.fuckingsucks.net \_ You mean people writing defamatory stuff about other people on the net is new? I'm shocked that this could happen to our internet! The page is stupid, but this is hardly new. -doesn't know tom \_ it's not even that. Try http://www.web.weenie.isgay.com \_ Ah. At least this has some shred of cleverness to it, then, on the web site creator's part, although not on the part of those who would use it. \_ I am shocked, shocked that gambling is going on in here. |
| 2001/3/21-22 [Transportation/Car, Computer/SW/Security] UID:20873 Activity:very high |
3/21 Went for a regular cleanup but the medical bill sez the doc did
root canal and 6 x-rays. It said I had to pay 20% of the copayment
to the doc but the doc sez to just ignore it. what's going on
and what should i do 'bout it?
\_ mmm, medical insurance fraud.
\_ the doc over-charges. If the actual charge is $100, the doc
is reporting the cost to be $120, so the $20 you supposedly
need to pay is included in the overcharged amount. It is a
win-win situation for you and your doc. Pretend that you
don't know about it and play along.
\_ I already paid a fuckin $10 copayment, and the insurance is
paying $725 for a $50 cleanup. What the fuck?
\_ its called fraud. If you're annoyed about it talk to your
\_ If that's the case, I think you should also charge the doc 20%
for your "services".
insurance provider to get yer doc busted.
\_ This is why medicare and medicaid are going bankrupt. As a
taxpayer, thanks!
\_ Do you even know what medicare is? If you did you would
be able to figure out that the original poster isn't even
qualified for it.
\_ liberal solution: spend more on medical/care to cover
the fraud. ITS FOR THE CHILDREN!
\_ Yeah, totally. I'd pay anything and give up all my freedoms
so long as it was for the children.
\_ That's your frequent flyer miles rebate.
\_ I read an article in Smartmoney magazine saying that
doctors are not earning as much as they used to. Many are
working longer hours, selling their Porches, and putting
their children in public instead of private schools.
Also, they no longer small talk or develop a personal
\_ They make the same, but they have to work harder for it.
Tough. For $350,000 they can deal. There's a lot of
competition driving down prices. Most of my doctors don't
even charge me the co-payment (they "forget") so it's not
like they miss that extra $10 from each patient. The fee
schedule is all out-of-whack with reality thanks to HMOs.
For example, buying a certain medication through my HMO =
$10 copayment. Buying it "without insurance" = $6.50. That's
why I *always* ask how much the drug is retail cost, and
it's not limited to drugs. The HMOs are screwing the doctors
and the patients. --dim
\_ But HMOs are FOR THE CHILDREN! Don't you care about THEM!?
relationship with their patients but go right to the
diagnosis in a production line manner.
\_ And this is supposed to excuse fraud?
\- If this has really happened to you, you have a obligation to
bring it up. It'd really bad to let them get away with this. This
is hardly a Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread. |
| 2001/3/21 [Computer/SW/OS/Misc] UID:20874 Activity:nil 58%like:20870 |
3/21 What's the proper way to say:
HPUX 1) H-P You-EX or 2) H-Pux?
\_ hp sucks.
Linux 1) Linn-nex 2) Line-nex
new Solaris 1) Solaris2.8 2) Solaris5.8 3) Solaris8?
\_ Who cares?
\_ Leee-nus Torvalds pronounces Leee-nux Leee-nux |
| 2001/3/21-22 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:20875 Activity:low |
3/20 \_ what about the broken sshd? -tom
\_ Its not broken. It works fine for SSHv1
and OpenSSH clients. Get a different client.
\_ what would you call a server that violates
protocols? I would call it broken. The
fact that openssh clients also violate
protocols doesn't make the server any
less broken. And, once again, there's
ABSOLUTELY NO ADVANTAGE TO USING OPENSSH.
-tom
\_ Totally there is! Open source!
\_ Why don't we run both versions? Run
the non-OpenSSH version of port 69
so that tom will shutup.
\_ Uh, its free and it comes preinstalled
with *BSD, MacOS X, Linux, etc.
WTF would I want to download something
extra from http://ssh.com that isn't nearly
as well audited as OpenSSH and isn't
free for corporate users?
\_ what difference does it make
whether it's free for corporate
users? You would want to download
it because IT SUPPORTS MORE CLIENTS.
Are you really this stupid? -tom
\_ Because some of us are corporate
users, not gub'ment 'ployees.
\_ we're not talking about what
you install in your cube.
you can connect to soda
if it's not running openssh.
-tom
http://ssh.com's ssh server doesn't like _/
OpenSSH clients and it doesn't like
NiftyTelnet SSH on the mac (ie it will
randomly drop my connection and scp
doesn't work right), both of
which currently work with soda's
OpenSSH server. No reason to switch
since switching would reduce the
number of clients that are supported.
\_ Bullshit. I am using both openssh clients and
NiftyTelnet with http://ssh.com's server and they work
fine. -tom
\_ since you clearly are not making any
progress getting the powers that be to
switch from OpenSSH, why don't you
harass the OpenSSH people and get them
to fix it?
\_ So, you like the added bloat of having
to start the ssh1 daemon every time an
ssh1 client connects? Once OpenSSH
supports shession rekeying (promissed in
the next major release) there will be
no reason not to use OpenSSH. |
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