Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2001:March:17 Saturday <Friday, Sunday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2001/3/17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:20818 Activity:nil
3/16    So if you go to you will see 'Puffy'Combs found not
        guilty".  Lets see, there's a campaign reform bill, a sub
        accident, mideast problems, a hijacking in Saudi Arabia,
        and Mir is about to come tumbling down and somehow CNN
        manages to get a story about some rapper waving a gun around
        on the front pages.
        \_ The problem started when you "go to".  Why would you
           go to a crap news org like cnn for anything worth knowing?
2001/3/17 [Uncategorized] UID:20819 Activity:nil
3/16    All the secrets of the e-meter *and* Xemu all on one page!
2001/3/17 [Academia, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:20820 Activity:high
3/16    Down with homework!
        \_ If there's a task that must be done, don't turn your tail
           and run, don't pout, don't sob, just do a half-ass job.
           If you cut every corner you'll have more time to play,
           It's the American way!
        \_ His shirt makes a good point. I'm with the shirt: homework rots.
        \_ SKINNER!
        \_ Grow up.
           \_ get a clue.
              \_ A clue?  I have a clue.  I understand the purpose of homework
                 even if you're too wasted to get it.  Your ignorance != my
                 \_ go out with asian chic
                       \_ that's azn chix to you white boy!
                    \_ I once met an asian chic. she made this perpetual
                       motion machine. It was pathetic. It just kept going
                       faster and faster.
                          \_ pixP.
                       \_ There's so much I don't know about astrophysics.
                          I wish I read that book by that wheelchair guy.
                          \_ I didn't know Christopher Reeves wrote books on
                             astrophysics.  Trip.
                       \_ in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
                 \_ get a clue.  it's a Simpsons reference.
                        \_ You're right.  The world revolves around a bad
                           cartoon.  I should have known.  How utterly and
                           completely clueless of me.
                           \_ Homer: Look, the important thing is that we all
                                     learned a lesson.  These guys learned the
                                     richness and variety of the world outside
                              Nerd : No we didn't.
                              Homer: Oh.  Then I learned the real value of
                                     college is to study and work hard.
                              Lisa : No you didn't.  You only passed your course
                                     by cheating, which you always taught us was
                              Homer: Hm... true.
        \_ up with miniskirts!
2001/3/17 [Computer/SW] UID:20821 Activity:nil
3/16    Is the twink points file still being updated?
2001/3/17 [Uncategorized] UID:20822 Activity:moderate
3/16    Question for other alums regarding the legendary FBI raid. Did
        Matt get out of this mess okay? I gather that the machine known
        as soda (at the time) escaped unharmed, but I don't remember what
        happened to Matt.
        \_ He died.  Fucking pinko liberals around here yammer on and on
           about Rosebud, but a good geek goes down and you don't hear
2001/3/17 [Science/Space] UID:20823 Activity:high
3/16    Although the moon is smaller than the earth, it is farther away.
        \_ What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
        \_ I'd rather be rich than stupid.
2001/3/17-18 [Uncategorized] UID:20824 Activity:moderate
3/16    For those of you who don't follow wall.log:
        \_ Is this some kind of joke???
           \_ Call them and find out.
              \_ No phone number and can't make out email address. I would
                 be interested in participating if its not a joke... ne1
                 have contact info?  thx
                 \_ Well, the department's webpage is:
                    Send an email to the web master and ask about this.
                    \_ thx!!! will do. Can't believe more csua'ers aren't more
                       interested in this. it soundz 2 good 2 be true!!!!!
2001/3/17-18 [Industry/Startup] UID:20825 Activity:insanely high
3/16 is hiring java programmers full time
        paying with stock and stock options. email
        \_ stock AND options?! why not sal and ary?
           \_ How are my shares in Confederate Slave Holdings?
           \_ salary is 2500/mo but with stock options which are
              potentially worth millions!
                       \_ Only in the wallpaper business.
              \_ after tax i hope and bimonthly
              \_ 2500/mo? I hope you mean Pounds and not $s.
              \_ jesus, I think grad students make more.
                        \_ You think wrong, working on campus that is
           \_ one can only hope that they get bought out. isnt their
              cto leaving?
              \_ yeah. but [ajani,njh]@csua are staying.  They like it!
                 \_ are they going to play best 3 out of 5 UT deathmatch
                    to see who's going to be CTO next?
                    \_ CounterStrike not UT
              \_ this means new hires have better chance at
                 moving up the ladder and taking leadership roles!
                 \_ YASWUUE (Yet Another Startup With Underqualified
                    Undergrad Executives). Woo Hoo!
                 \_ Then why not start up your own company: then you can
                    be President, CEO, Chairman, COO, CFO, CTO, and CIO
                    That's really moving up the ladder. Good for the resume.
                    \_ We already discussed this on the motd last year.
                       Big title at small company means nothing. MTS at
                       Sun or Staff Eng at Cisco is much better for your
                       resume than VP of Eng at a small startup with no
                       \_ No shit. Are you being sarcastic? I think we were.
                          \_ Its getting harder and harder to tell who is
                             being sarcastic and who is actually an idiot.
                             I've taken to treating every comment literally.
                       \_ Not necessarily.  It depends. --jsl
                          \_ This was not jsl.  Do not put jsl's name on my
                             comments no matter how minor a comment.  -- !jsl
        \_ just to clarify, that was $2500/month cash + stock options
           \_ Cold hard cash, with real $ bills, or via check?
              As a show of faith you should pay with real $s, since
              no one can really be sure your checks won't bounce.
           \_ Even UCB custodial staff make more than that per month.
              And they get a guaranteed pension and job security.
           \_ Hey, cool, where do I sign up?  I can't wait to take a $100k/yr
              pay cut.
           \_ That wouldn't even cover my current federal withholding, and
              I claim 3 allowances.
                \_ Yeah but think of the 500 options you'll get that in 4
                   years will be good to wipe your ass with... once.
2001/3/17-18 [Recreation/Dating] UID:20826 Activity:high
3/16    Does anyone have any real story about meeting up with an
        old high school or jr. high school or elementary classmate
        after many (many) years?
        \_ after lots of email I finally got together with my best friend
        \_ after lots of email I finally have sex with with my best friend
           from junior high. Turns out he's an absolute moron who has nothing
           interesting to say except the stock market, his marriage, his
           mortgage and his yard work.
        \_ I ran into my best friend from elementary school at Cal, whom I had
           not seen since the sixth grade.  It turned out, though, that we
           no longer had anything in common. --jameslin
        \_ I had a good friend in 3rd grade at my elementary school in Culver
           City (near Santa Monica). I moved away to the suburbs and started
           to lose touch with him. A few months after I moved, I had a big
           birthday party and invited all my old friends. We were at some
           playground and we got in a fight about someting dumb and I
           completely lost touch with him after that day.
           Ten years later when I was a freshman at Cal, I made a good friend
           from Palos Verdes. One day she said a friend from high school was
           coming to visit. I remembered my old friend talking before that his
           family was thinking of moving there, so I asked her for his name.
           Sure enough, it was him. He came to visit and we hung out quite a
           bit. It was fun but we didn't bother to keep in touch.
        \_ Knew some folks when I was in HS (they went to a different school).
           I went to Cal.  They didn't.  One of them had business here late
           last year.  We met up, had dinner, everything was just like it
           always was.  Very cool.  We didn't keep in touch after that.  I
           guess there's only so much you can talk about from 10 years earlier.
           \_ reminds me of a Frasier episode when Woody visits Frasier.
              \_ And then there was that Itchy and Scratchy episode I don't
                 think we'll ever forget.
                 \_ Yeah, my life is just like a spoof cartoon or a bad sitcom.
                    \_ hey, the itchy and scratchy show is not a bad sitcom!!
                 \- back when i was in my early 20s, i ran into a guy who was
                 sort of the good natured class fuckup in like 3rd grade in
                 the telegraph adronicos booze section. it was kind of amazing
                 we still recognized each other, although he had increased his
                 topological genus considerably in the interim period. he gave
                 me some advice about what booze would "fuck you up" ...
                 judging by his appearance, he seemed to have a lot of exp
                 in that arena. --psb
                 \_ psb gets a 9.95 for this story.
2001/3/17-18 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:20827 Activity:high
3/16    Why does so much C sample code use #define instead of const?
        \_ because any good C code will use a bunch of preprocessor
           anyways. you can't be a good C programmer and eschew the
           preprocessor. For that, you need a language which fills those
           gaps with other constructs (c++ templates go a long way to
           obviate the need for preprocessor for example). you
           should not be afraid of the preprocessor in C. it should be
           a well accepted compromise when using C.
           \_ I have no qualms about using the preprocessor.  I love macros.
              I'm not asking about the usefulness of the preprocessor.  I am
              asking why much code uses #defines for constants when the
              language already "fills those gaps" with its own const construct.
              \_ cuz K&R used defines, not const.
                 \_ K&R r0x mah nuTz!
                 \_ bah.  I don't care for how k&r encourages declarations
                    like "int *x" rather than "int* x" either.
                    \_ Uh.  I wish _I'd_ been taught the former in 61B.  For
                       a long time I was confused, because we were taught that
                       char* foo;  meant "character pointer...   foo"
                       So I declare   char* foo, bar, baz;  sigh.
                       \_ it's something that should be mentioned so that
                          people know to avoid that quirk, but otherwise it
                          makes more sense the second way.
                          \_ why does the second way make more sense?
                             \_ because pointers are types
        \_ Because in C, const variables aren't const expressions; you
           can't use them in array declarations for example.
           const int SIZE = 20; char c[SIZE]; won't compile.  You need
           to use #define (or compile as C++ code).  -- Misha.
           \_ What is useful information doing on the motd?
                \_ Mistakes were made... villages bombed.
2001/3/17 [Uncategorized] UID:20828 Activity:nil
3/16    \_ [Slow motd troll purged]
2001/3/17-18 [Uncategorized] UID:20829 Activity:nil
3/16    p160, no cdrom drive, sturdy case, 2 nics, suitable
        for sharing a broadband connection, if you want it,
        email me.  - danh
2001/3/17-18 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:20830 Activity:moderate
3/16    A good way of testing a machine I have built from parts
        is to recompile the linux kernel continually for days.
        What's something similar I can do in win98/win2k ?
        \_ Play Unreal single-player for days.
        \_ See if it boots.
        \_ for basic multimedia stuff, running the DirectX diagnostics might
           be sufficient (dxdiag.exe)
2001/3/17 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:20831 Activity:nil
3/16    The government of Mexico City has announced that it will switch
        the municipal computer system over to the Linux operating system
        and use other open-source software. The city's technical
        coordinator told the newspaper Reforma that the municipality
        would save millions of dollars "that are spent, in my opinion,
        unnecessarily on software." The savings will reportedly be used
        to fund the city's social programs.
        \-time for /usr/mexico again? --psb
2021/06/24 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2001:March:17 Saturday <Friday, Sunday>