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2001/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20679 Activity:insanely high 64%like:20684
2/25    All motd trolls will now be marked with troll on the side. As
        such, all authors of trolls shall be subjected to horse
        whipping.
troll   \_ Uh whatever.  A troll is in the eye of the beholder anyway.  It's
           really the fault of the rest of you for encouraging it by responding
           or getting suckered into flame wars about it.
        \_ Uh whatever.  A troll is in the eye of the beholder anyway.  It's
           really the fault of the rest of you for encouraging it by responding
           or getting suckered into flame wars about it.
        \_ So why is the following a troll:
           "R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R"
           While this one isn't a trool:
           5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T!
           You have no standards.
           \_ Too much work. I only mark first and second level trolls.
              Plus, if a new thread comes under a troll it is automatically
              considered a troll.
2001/2/25-26 [Uncategorized] UID:20680 Activity:moderate 80%like:20686
2/24    anybody know if pedro rizzo won last night?
        \_ Yes.  I know.
2001/2/25 [Transportation/Car, Recreation/Activities] UID:20681 Activity:nil 85%like:20683
2/24    ok, so I'm thiknig of buying a vw golf (2door), since apparently
        honda decided that civic hatchbacks are not hip and sexy and
        discotinued them in '97.  anyone got any bad/good experience?
troll      \_ You are buying a car?!? Oh the horror! Oh the humanity!
              Don't you care about our precious pale blue dot and its
              environment? If you buy a car, it will need gas. This is
              just the excuse that Pres. Bush needs to install Oil Wells
              in Alaska and off the coast of California.
              Just because I lost is no reason to give up the fight!
              - Al Gore (Join Team Gore 2k4: The committee to retake
                         the White House by Any Means Necessary)
troll   \_ Experience?  No.  But imagine what you'll look like when your
           little golf gets smacked by something 4 times bigger like a
           CSUAer on a bike with linux loaded laptop in hand....
           \_ OSuX! OSuX! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ OSuX D00D! K3WL AKWUA & 5H1T!
           \_ 5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T!
troll   \_ R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R
        \_ You probably be wanting one of these for your Golf:
           http://collegehumor.com/pictures/tailpipe.html
2001/2/25 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:20682 Activity:high
2/25    One of the nuns came in and said she had been over in Manhattan and had
hamster bumped into Bill Clinton. "I said, 'Pardon me.' "He said,
        'Forty thousand."'
2001/2/25-26 [Industry/Jobs] UID:20683 Activity:high 85%like:20681
2/24    ok, so I'm thiknig of buying a new penis, since apparently
        honda decided that civic hatchbacks are not hip and sexy and
        discotinued them in '97.  anyone got any bad/good experience?
hamster      \_ You are buying a car?!? Oh the horror! Oh the humanity!
              Don't you care about our precious pale blue dot and its
              environment? If you buy a car, it will need gas. This is
              just the excuse that Dumbya Bush needs to install Oil Wells
              in Alaska and off the coast of California.
              Just because I lost is no reason to give up the fight!
              - Al Gore (Join Team Gore 2k4: The committee to retake
                         the White House by Any Means Necessary)
hamster    \_ Experience?  No.  But imagine what you'll look like when your
           little golf gets smacked by something 4 times bigger like a
           CSUAer on a bike with linux loaded laptop in hand....
           \_ OSuX! OSuX! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ OSuX D00D! K3WL AKWUA & 5H1T!
           \_ 5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T!
hamster   \_ R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R
         \_ Experience?  No.  But imagine what you'll look like when your
           little golf gets smacked by something 4 times bigger like a
           CSUAer on a bike with linux loaded laptop in hand....
           \_ OSuX! OSuX! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ OSuX D00D! K3WL AKWUA & 5H1T!
           \_ 5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T!
        \_ R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R
        \_ You probably be wanting one of these for your Golf:
           http://collegehumor.com/pictures/tailpipe.html
2001/2/25 [Uncategorized] UID:20684 Activity:nil 64%like:20679
2/25    All motd hamsters will now be marked with hamster on the side. As
        such, all authors of hamsters shall be subjected to horse
        whipping.
hamster \_ Uh whatever.  A hamster is in the eye of the beholder anyway.  It's
           really the fault of the rest of you for encouraging it by responding
           or getting suckered into flame wars about it.
        \_ So why is the following a hamster:
           "R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R"
           While this one isn't a trool:
           5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T!
           You have no standards.
           \_ Too much work. I only mark first and second level hamsters.
              Plus, if a new thread comes under a hamster it is automatically
              considered a hamster.
        \_ The bite-covered hamster rises from the dead!--More--
2001/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20685 Activity:nil
2/25    All motd trolls will now be marked with troll on the side. As
troll   such, all authors of trolls shall be subjected to horse
troll   whipping.
troll   \_ Uh whatever.  A troll is in the eye of the beholder anyway.  It's
troll      really the fault of the rest of you for encouraging it by responding
troll      or getting suckered into flame wars about it.
troll   \_ So why is the following a troll:
troll      "R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R"
troll      While this one isn't a trool:
troll      5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T!
troll      You have no standards.
troll      \_ Too much work. I only mark first and second level trolls.
troll         Plus, if a new thread comes under a troll it is automatically
troll         considered a troll.
troll         \_ If a thread is under a bridge, is it assumed to be a
troll            troll?
2001/2/25 [Uncategorized] UID:20686 Activity:nil 80%like:20680
2/24    anybody know if pedro rizzo won last night?
troll   \_ Yes.  I know.
2001/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20687 Activity:nil
2/24    ok, so I'm thiknig of buying a new penis, since apparently
troll   honda decided that civic hatchbacks are not hip and sexy and
troll   discotinued them in '97.  anyone got any bad/good experience?
troll      \_ You are buying a car?!? Oh the horror! Oh the humanity!
troll         Don't you care about our precious pale blue dot and its
troll         environment? If you buy a car, it will need gas. This is
troll         just the excuse that Dumbya Bush needs to install Oil Wells
troll         in Alaska and off the coast of California.
troll         Just because I lost is no reason to give up the fight!
troll         - Al Gore (Join Team Gore 2k4: The committee to retake
troll                    the White House by Any Means Necessary)
troll    \_ Experience?  No.  But imagine what you'll look like when your
troll      little golf gets smacked by something 4 times bigger like a
troll      CSUAer on a bike with linux loaded laptop in hand....
troll      \_ OSuX! OSuX! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ OSuX D00D! K3WL AKWUA & 5H1T!
troll      \_ 5UV! 5UV! 1T'5 A11 A80U+ 5UV D00D! GA5 GU55L3R & 5H1T!
troll   \_ R1D3 B1K3! RUN GN00/L1N5UX! D00D! - 3133T H@X0R
troll   \_ You probably be wanting one of these for your Golf:
troll      http://collegehumor.com/pictures/tailpipe.html
troll
2001/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20688 Activity:nil
2/24    looking for a URL that references the fencing term that's pronounced
troll   too.shey. How is it spelled? What is it?
troll   \_ touche'
troll      \_ Or touché, in ISO Latin-1.  It means "touched" in French.
troll   \_ note that most search engines don't index vowel diacritics
troll      separately, so searching for just "touche", without the accent,
troll      will get you what you need.  -alexf
troll      \_ just like resume,huh?
troll           \_ Yeah, just like.  Join this millenium.
troll              \_ millennium, even.
2001/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20689 Activity:nil
2/24    Looking for a good tutorial for learning to program for the Palm.
troll   I'd prefer to be in a unix environment, but, whatever makes it
troll   easeies/most efficeint. pointers?
troll   \_ most people use MetroWerks CodeWarrior for Palm, so that'd be the
troll      most painless to use. (But it also costs money and is available for
troll      only Windows and MacOS.) For gcc, you'll need PRC-Tools
troll      ( http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/tools/gcc ).  I found most
troll      tutorials to be long-winded and a waste of time (Palm's CodeWarrior
troll      tutorial is ~200 pages).  I think the best way to learn would be to
troll      look at the sample code Palm provides and read the SDK companion and
troll      reference documents.  You may find the Palm OS Programmer's FAQ
troll      useful ( http://www.cyberport.com/~tangent/palm/faq ) --jameslin
troll   \_ Why would you want to program for palm?
troll      \_ because programming for WinCE is painful
troll           \_ Missing the point: why would you want to program for any
troll              the toyish hand held devices?
troll              \_ as opposed to which other hand held devices? -ali
troll              \_ Playstation, Xbox, etc. are all toys, too.  Why would
troll                 anyone want to program for them?
2001/2/25 [Computer/SW/Unix, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20690 Activity:nil
2/24    Is there a good reason why UNIX prohibits normal users from
troll   making NFS mounts?
troll   \_ Well, it's not as good as prohibiting ANYONE from making an
troll      NFS mount, but you have got to let SOMEONE do whatever they want on
troll      a system, NFS mounts, after all, aren't ALWAYS the wrong solution.
troll      (just usually).
troll   \_ Solaris automounter allows any user to mount a filesystem from
troll      remote host as long as it is exported to you. So there is a way
troll      to do this on unix.
troll         \_ automounter bad. very bad. evil. spawn of the devil.
troll            only bill's network neighborhood is worse.
troll            if you need automounter functionality use AFS (its free
troll            now). AFS good.
troll      \_ you don't do it, the autofs system does it for you.  you
troll         as a normal user just make requests to autofs.  you can not,
troll         as a normal user with normal user permissions, ask autofs
troll         to mount a NFS export on any arbitrary mount point, only
troll         on those mount points that autofs is configured to manage --
troll         say /net, /home, /project, and you can not tell autofs, as
troll         a normal user, what mount options to use --jon
troll         \_ That's what I mean jon. Being able to mount things under
troll            /net is still much better than not being able to mount
troll            anything at all.
troll   \_ If you could mount any filesystem you want, anywhere you want,
troll      then you could do something like mount your own filesystem on
troll      /etc containing a passwd file in which you know the root passwd
troll      and give yourself root.  (This is just one of many possibilities.)
troll      \_ First of all, both /etc and /etc/passwd already exist and
troll         they're both owned by root on that machine. You can't
troll         overwrite them. Second of all, if there were to be such
troll         thing as user-controlled NFS you shouldn't have any more
troll         permissions than you normally would. In other words, if I
troll         don't have permission to create a new file or directory in
troll         / I shouldn't have the permission to mount a drive at that
troll         location.
troll           \_ But I could remotely mount your home directory on my
troll              machine where I have root and su to the same uid/gid you
troll              have on the remote host and then fuck with your files
troll              over nfs as "you".  Depending on how the mount points
troll              are exported, I could do the same to root owned files
troll              as well, such as /usr, /var, and others.  Got the picture?
troll              \_ We're talking about user controlled NFS clients, not
troll                 servers. As an NFS server, I, as root, would never
troll                 let you mount my disk so that you can fuck around
troll                 with it unless you had a legit reason in which case
troll                 I would have created a little restricted sandbox
troll                 directory for you to muck around with. But I think
troll                 it would be a useful idea (and relatively safe) to
troll                 have a SMB-like user-controlled mounting of remote
troll                 filesystems. I have yet to see why this is unsafe.
troll                 I have an account on CSUA called jondoe. On my
troll                 Unix box at home I want to mount everything in
troll                 ~jondoe at CSUA by supplying my jondoe username/
troll                 password pair and everything in ~jondoe is mounted
troll                 on my home computer. CSUA will only let me access
troll                 files in ~jondoe with the same permissions that
troll                 jondoe himself would normally be able to access.
troll                 \_ Yes.  That's all well and good.  Now explain what
troll                    prevents me from setting up a jondoe account on _my_
troll                    home machine with _your_ uid/gui and mounting _your_
troll                    jondoe account.  NFS has what sort of security to
troll                    prevent this?  None.  Please explain why I couldn't
troll                    do this.
troll                    \_ First of all, even stock NFS controls what
troll                       machines you export to.  Obviously it would be
troll                       silly to export csua home directories to the
troll                       world with no restrictions, but if you trust
troll                       a particular machine, this isn't a problem.
troll                       And second, NFS does have the facility to
troll                       use public-key authentication, though it's not
troll                       often used around here.  -tom
troll                    \_ Because you have to have jondoe's password to do
troll                       this.  Think of it this way.  jondoe logs into
troll                       csua, and types some magical command called
troll                       "nfsexport home-machine-ip" which exports HIS
troll                       home directory to that IP.  Or, he can run
troll                       "nfsexport jondoe@csua", type in his CSUA
troll                       password, and get access to his files.  Yes,
troll                       NFS has minimalistic security, but it doesn't
troll                       have to be NFS, maybe another similar system.
troll                       Now explain to me why this won't work, and why
troll                       this system, which would seem very useful,
troll                       isn't in place.
troll                 \_ Yes!  This is exactly what I mean.  Why isn't this
troll                    done?                -original poster
troll                    \_ Can you think about the potential problems?
troll                    \_ jondoe is exporting. Different from mounting.
troll                       What was your question again?
troll   \_ Switch to plan9.
2001/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20691 Activity:nil 50%like:20675
2/23    Large, somewhat worn but reasonably nice couch, available for the
troll   pick-up (near Piedmont Ave., Oakland).
troll   http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~tom/couch1.jpg.  Mail tom.
troll   \_ thank goodness you're getting a new one -- that one's pretty ugly!
troll           \_ it has a certain something... not a good certain something,
troll              but something.  It shows a certain kind of... taste.
troll              \_ the kind known as "bad"?
troll                   \_ I bought it for $50 from my roommate who was
troll                      leaving town, 8 years ago.  It is not
troll                      particularly a reflection of my taste.  And I
troll                      challenge you to find a better couch for free. -tom
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