Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2001:February:24 Saturday <Friday, Sunday>
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2001/2/24 [Uncategorized] UID:20668 Activity:nil
2/24    You censoring bitch. Stop fucking your ass with the stick that's in it.
2001/2/24-25 [Transportation/Car, Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:20669 Activity:high
2/24    What is the parmater and value to turn off auto-save in emacs?
        \_ ^X^C
        \_ you can add (setq auto-save-default nil) to your .emacs file, I
           think.
           \- you know about the apropos command, right? this should be easy
           to figure out once you know the term "auto-save". --psb
        \_ http://www.ouchytheclown.com/welcome.html
           \_ Okay, that's bizarre.
2001/2/24 [Politics/Foreign/Canada, Recreation/Dating] UID:20670 Activity:kinda low
2/24    http://www.ilovebacon.com/flashing/images/022301flowerb.jpg
        \_ Ohhhh...American bacon. Canadian bacon. Mexican bacon. droool.
        \_ lila? is that you?
        \_ I love the nips.
        \_ A lot of the photos make her look like an ex....
2001/2/24 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:20671 Activity:very high
2/23    I'm looking for examples of a company successfully rewriting an OS.
        Like Sun transitioned from 4.1.3 -> Solaris.  This transition has to
        happen while the company is still developing features and pushing the
        old OS.  How many times have a massive SW development effort like this
        succeeded?  Thanks.
        \_ Windows to NT.
        \_ HP did this in the 9.x to 10.x transition. Apple has done this
           OS 9.x to X. Cisco has done this with IOS 8.x to 9.x and is
           several times, OS 6.x to 7.x, OS 7.x to OS 8.x and now with
           OS 9.x to X.
                \_ Only MacOS 6 to 7 & 9 to X are major rewrites - the others
                   just added a bunch of new features.
           \_ The request was for SUCCESSFUL rewriting. I dont think Apple is
              a very good example of this.
           Cisco has done this with IOS 8.x to 9.x and is
           now working on 12.x to IOS ENA, though ENA is 5 years in
           development with no end in sight.
           ENA has been written three times: once as a restructuring
           of IOS which didn't work well, once as a complete rewrite
           from scratch (IOS-NG -> Next Generation or No Go, depending
           on your point of view) and currently as a hodge-podge of
           QNX, VxWorks (yes, its in there, they won't tell you about
           those bits though) and leftovers from IOS-NG. At this rate
           some are betting that they will even try *BSD or LinSUX before
           12.x is EOL'ed. *BSD seems to be a trend with other networking
           companies so, this might be a good way to go. But Cisco has
           a problem in that most of the routing is still handled in
           the RSP (CPU for those who don't speak Cisco), which means a
           non-realtime system like UNIX just can't cut it for them.
           Oh how I wish they would go ASICs for routing like everyone
           else.
           \_ There was Win3.1->Win95 although I would be hesitant to call
              WinXX an OS more than I would call it a POS.
           \_ Oh yeah. I forgot System 7 to BSD to SVR4 transition. This
              was pretty damn big and not well handled.
           \_ Ultrix -> OSF
        \_ SunOS 4 -> Solaris 2 was a very painful and unpopular transition.
           Sun lost many customers and it took 5-7 years for Sun to recover.
          (Solaris before 2.4 was a disaster.)
          \_ And solaris after 2.4 wasn't and still isn't?
             \_ Have a cookie, troll
2001/2/24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Recreation/Humor] UID:20672 Activity:nil
2/24    3 rocks of crack for sale, $20 a piece. This is not a joke.
        Go to the CSUA office next Tuesday at 5pm. Ask for some special
        "merchandise."
2001/2/24 [Recreation/Humor] UID:20673 Activity:nil
2/23    I wonder how many people would find Kharms funny.  He is one
        of my favorite authors.  I am not aware of any decent translations
        into English, but here's at least something:
        http://www.geocities.com/Athens/8926/Kharms/Incidences.html
                                        -- Misha.
        Funny     : .
        Not funny :
2001/2/24-25 [Recreation/Humor, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:20674 Activity:high
2/24    Party. 2415 Dwight Way apt #20.  Saturday, 24th.  Whiskey/Refreshments
        available.  No this isn't just csua only. (read: there'll be girls
        there)
        \_ Who are you?
        \_ Whose party is it?  Is this an invitation for anyone reading it
           to show up?
           \_ bridgett, my roommate.  and it's an open party.
                        \_ SIGN YOUR NAME
              \_ for any point in the party, you can find a positive real
              number epsilon, such that the open ball of radius epslion
              around that point is all contained in the party.
        \_ is this a real party? if so, why haven't you signed your name?
           is this a practical joke on the person who lives at that address?
           \_ So if it is a practical joke, why would they put their
              address in the motd?
              \_ They would put someone else's address on the motd,
                 dipshit.
                 \_ So if it is a practical joke, then why would they
                    put their roommate's name in the motd?
                    \_ I don't really have an opinion on whether it is a
                        joke; however, don't you think that it would be
                        easy enough to just make up a name for a
                        "roommate"?
        \_ It's real. I checked. Please Bring alcohol. --davebrok
2001/2/24-27 [Uncategorized] UID:20675 Activity:high 50%like:20691
2/23    Large, somewhat worn but reasonably nice couch, available for the
        pick-up (near Piedmont Ave., Oakland).
        http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~tom/couch1.jpg.  Mail tom.
troll   \_ thank goodness you're getting a new one -- that one's pretty ugly!
et al      \_ thank goodness I'm not the only one who thinks so! - cynthia
                \_ it has a certain something... not a good certain something,
                   but something.  It shows a certain kind of... taste.
                   \_ the kind known as "bad"?
                        \_ I bought it for $50 from my roommate who was
                           leaving town, 8 years ago.  It is not
                           particularly a reflection of my taste.  And I
                           challenge you to find a better couch for free. -tom
                             \_rent a truck, check craigslist. it's easy to
                             find good couches and beds for free, people just
                             want them out. (this posting case in point)
                           \_  My couch could like TOTALLY kick your couch's
                               ass.
                               \_ My couch runs GN00/L1NSUX!
                           \_ tom's trying to get a free couch upgrade here...
                           \_ You _paid_ for that?  Wow... I put the trash
                              out every Wednesday night.  Can you stop by and
                              pick it up early Thursday morning and pay me
                              $50/week?  Another $25 and you can have the
                              recyclables, too.
                           \_ what does your new couch look like?
                                \_ we don't have it yet.  -tom
        \_ thank goodness you're getting a new one -- that one's pretty ugly!
           \_ thank goodness I'm not the only one who things so! - cynthia
                \_ it has a certain something... not a good certain something,
                   but something.  It shows a certain kind of... taste.
                   \_ the kind known as "bad"?
                        \_ I bought it for $50 from my roommate who was
                           leaving town, 8 years ago.  It is not
                           particularly a reflection of my taste.  And I
                           challenge you to find a better couch for free. -tom
                           \_  My couch could like TOTALLY kick your couch's
                               ass.
                               \_ My couch runs GN00/L1NSUX!
                           \_ tom's trying to get a free couch upgrade here...
                           \_ You _paid_ for that?  Wow... I put the trash
                              out every Wednesday night.  Can you stop by and
                              pick it up early Thursday morning and pay me
                              $50/week?  Another $25 and you can have the
                              recyclables, too.
                           \_ what does your new couch look like?
                                \_ we don't have it yet.  -tom
        \_ i hope you're enjoying this, mr. tom. this is the atmosphere
           YOU created many years ago.
                \_ what are you talking about, ikiru?  -tom
                   \_ if you have to ask, you don't know.
        \_ You can censor the comments but the couch is still ugly.  You're
           going to have to pay to get it hauled away.  Or you could just drop
           it on someone else's front lawn in the middle of the night.  It's
           Oakland, right?
2001/2/24-26 [Uncategorized] UID:20676 Activity:high
2/24    looking for a URL that references the fencing term that's pronounced
        too.shey. How is it spelled? What is it?
        \_ touche'
           \_ Or touché, in ISO Latin-1.  It means "touched" in French.
        \_ note that most search engines don't index vowel diacritics
           separately, so searching for just "touche", without the accent,
           will get you what you need.  -alexf
           \_ just like resume,huh?
           \_ just like resume, huh?
                \_ Yeah, just like.  Join this millenium.
                   \_ millennium, even.
                      \_ I thought we was in da new willennium.
2001/2/24-27 [Consumer/PDA] UID:20677 Activity:high
2/24    Looking for a good tutorial for learning to program for the Palm.
        I'd prefer to be in a unix environment, but, whatever makes it
        easeies/most efficeint. pointers?
        \_ most people use MetroWerks CodeWarrior for Palm, so that'd be the
           most painless to use. (But it also costs money and is available for
           Windows and MacOS only.) For gcc, you'll need PRC-Tools
           only Windows and MacOS.) For gcc, you'll need PRC-Tools
           ( http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/tools/gcc ).  I found most
           Palm provides for Codewarrior is ~200 pages, I think).  I think the
           tutorials to be long-winded and a waste of time (the tutorials
           Palm provides for CodeWarrior is ~200 pages, I think).  I think the
           best way would be to look at the sample code Palm provides and read
           the SDK companion and reference documents. --jameslin
           tutorials to be long-winded and a waste of time (Palm's CodeWarrior
           tutorial is ~200 pages).  I think the best way to learn would be to
           look at the sample code Palm provides and read the SDK companion and
           reference documents.  You may find the Palm OS Programmer's FAQ
           useful ( http://www.cyberport.com/~tangent/palm/faq ) --jameslin
        \_ Why would you want to program for palm?
           \_ because programming for WinCE is painful
troll  \_ Why would you want to program for palm?
                   the toyish hand held devices?
                   \_ as opposed to which other hand held devices? -ali
                   \_ Playstation, Xbox, etc. are all toys, too.  Why would
                      anyone want to program for them?
                      \_ Yeah? Why would anyone want to write programs
                         for these things?
et al        \_ because programming for WinCE is painful
                \_ Missing the point: why would you want to program for any
                   hand held devices?  [clarified for the pedantic and the
                   stupid]
                   \_ well, you ask you a stupid question, why would you expect
                      anything but stupid answers?  some people (gasp) use
                      handheld devices.  is it not reasonable to develop
                      software for them?
2001/2/24-26 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:20678 Activity:high
2/24    Is there a good reason why UNIX prohibits normal users from
        making NFS mounts?
        \_ Well, it's not as good as prohibiting ANYONE from making an
           NFS mount, but you have got to let SOMEONE do whatever they want on
           a system, NFS mounts, after all, aren't ALWAYS the wrong solution.
           (just usually).
        \_ Solaris automounter allows any user to mount a filesystem from
           remote host as long as it is exported to you. So there is a way
           to do this on unix.
              \_ automounter bad. very bad. evil. spawn of the devil.
                 only bill's network neighborhood is worse.
                 if you need automounter functionality use AFS (its free
                 now). AFS good.
           \_ you don't do it, the autofs system does it for you.  you
              as a normal user just make requests to autofs.  you can not,
              as a normal user with normal user permissions, ask autofs
              to mount a NFS export on any arbitrary mount point, only
              on those mount points that autofs is configured to manage --
              say /net, /home, /project, and you can not tell autofs, as
              a normal user, what mount options to use --jon
              \_ That's what I mean jon. Being able to mount things under
                 /net is still much better than not being able to mount
                 anything at all.
        \_ If you could mount any filesystem you want, anywhere you want,
           then you could do something like mount your own filesystem on
           /etc containing a passwd file in which you know the root passwd
           and give yourself root.  (This is just one of many possibilities.)
           \_ First of all, both /etc and /etc/passwd already exist and
              they're both owned by root on that machine. You can't
              overwrite them. Second of all, if there were to be such
                \_ The standard mount command lets you mount any filesystem
                   on any directory, empty or full.
              thing as user-controlled NFS you shouldn't have any more
              permissions than you normally would. In other words, if I
              don't have permission to create a new file or directory in
              / I shouldn't have the permission to mount a drive at that
              location.
                \_ But I could remotely mount your home directory on my
                   machine where I have root and su to the same uid/gid you
                   have on the remote host and then fuck with your files
                   over nfs as "you".  Depending on how the mount points
                   \_ We're talking about user controlled NFS clients, not
                   are exported, I could do the same to root owned files
                   as well, such as /usr, /var, and others.  Got the picture?
                   \_ We're talking about user conhamstered NFS clients, not
                   \_ We're talking about user controlled NFS clients, not
                      servers. As an NFS server, I, as root, would never
                      let you mount my disk so that you can fuck around
                      have a SMB-like user-controlled mounting of remote
                      with it unless you had a legit reason in which case
                      I would have created a little restricted sandbox
                      directory for you to muck around with. But I think
                      have a SMB-like user-conhamstered mounting of remote
                      it would be a useful idea (and relatively safe) to
                      have a SMB-like user-controlled mounting of remote
                      filesystems. I have yet to see why this is unsafe.
                      I have an account on CSUA called jondoe. On my
                      Unix box at home I want to mount everything in
                      ~jondoe at CSUA by supplying my jondoe username/
                      password pair and everything in ~jondoe is mounted
                      on my home computer. CSUA will only let me access
                      files in ~jondoe with the same permissions that
                      jondoe himself would normally be able to access.
                      \_ Yes.  That's all well and good.  Now explain what
                         prevents me from setting up a jondoe account on _my_
                         home machine with _your_ uid/gui and mounting _your_
                         jondoe account.  NFS has what sort of security to
                         prevent this?  None.  Please explain why I couldn't
                         do this.
                         \_ First of all, even stock NFS controls what
                            machines you export to.  Obviously it would be
                            silly to export csua home directories to the
                            world with no restrictions, but if you trust
                            a particular machine, this isn't a problem.
                            And second, NFS does have the facility to
                            use public-key authentication, though it's not
                            often used around here.  -tom
                         \_ Because you have to have jondoe's password to do
                            this.  Think of it this way.  jondoe logs into
                            csua, and types some magical command called
                            "nfsexport home-machine-ip" which exports HIS
                            home directory to that IP.  Or, he can run
                            "nfsexport jondoe@csua", type in his CSUA
                            password, and get access to his files.  Yes,
                            NFS has minimalistic security, but it doesn't
                            have to be NFS, maybe another similar system.
                            Now explain to me why this won't work, and why
                            this system, which would seem very useful,
                            isn't in place.
                      \_ Yes!  This is exactly what I mean.  Why isn't this
                         done?                -original poster
                         \_ Can you think about the potential problems?
                         \_ jondoe is exporting. Different from mounting.
                            What was your question again?
        \_ Switch to plan9.
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