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| 2001/2/22 [Uncategorized] UID:20642 Activity:nil |
2/21 What's hoserchat and why are so many CSUAers using it?
\_ run ~brg/bin/hoserchat and you'll see. |
| 2001/2/22 [Science/Battery] UID:20643 Activity:nil |
2/21 Someone must have wanted to do this before me:
I'm going on a week long backpacking trip. I want to take my digital
video camera with me and do a lot of filming. I could buy a BUNCH of
batteries but i'd prefer to bring along my charger and rig some sort
of a micro-generator. (something lighter than a car battery). Ideas?
\_ Blair Witch 3?
\_ hrmm... I think I've seen like Brookstone or Skymall or something
have hand-powered battery rechargers for everything from rechargeable
niCad AA batts to most cell phone types. I've also seen crank type
generators for flashlights at sharper image if you want to do some
rewiring.
\_ Will professional battery packs sold e.g. at http://bhphoto.com solve
ypur problem?
\_ http://www.bhphotovideo.com -brain
\_ Any solar rechargers? |
| 2001/2/22 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:20644 Activity:nil |
2/21 Using Fsecure's (ssh v2.0.13) i attempted to do a vary large scp -r
wich began fine and copied about 223 megs of files before it hung and
is not doing anything. On two other machines i got about 13 (of a
planned 70) megs worth of files transferred before it stopped and hung
there. Has anyone experienced anything like this? What is going on?
What should I do?
\_ Use OpenSSH. I copy gigs (cd images) with it and have had no problem.
\_ thanks, but i already had an rsync binary for these systems and
i just popped that on there and ran it over ssh and all was well. |
| 2001/2/22 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:20645 Activity:nil |
2/21 Why does it seem to me that all text files that come to me from
emacs users use spaces in place of tabs in many places. This is really
annoying. Does emacs replace spaces with tabs or what? -vim user
\_ You can fix it with "unexpand -a".
\_ this can be toggled on or off. personally I prefer spaces to tabs,
especially in multi-user environments where people use different
tab settings.
\_ Like the motd? |
| 2001/2/22 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:20646 Activity:nil |
2/20 How come we are still running OpenSSH 2.3.0? Shouldn't
we upgrade to the newer 2.5.1?
Also I've read up on that IDEA cypher that tom keeps asking
for, it turns out that IDEA is deliberately ommited from
OpenSSh because there is a big security whole associated
with it. I'm not sure why he wants it anyway, as the other
supported methods are much better.
\_ Let me try to explain this one more time. We have a choice of
using a server which will support whatever client one of our
users is using, with whatever configuration they want to use.
Or we can use OpenSSH. No one has put forth a reason why
OpenSSH is even theoretically better. So why are we running it?
-tom
\_ Because it's open and open is kewl. Ride bike!
\_ OpenSSH is as good as FSecure in terms of protocol support
and because its auditing practices are like OpenBSD it is
proactively secure. Who knows what buffer overflows are in
the commerical closed source alternatives. Besides, Tatu
is a much more immature punk than Theo de Raat.
\_ OpenSSH is absolutely not as good as FSecure in terms of
protocol support. OpenSSH does not support session
re-keying, which is a required part of the ssh2 protocol.
The ssh server from http://www.ssh.com also supports this, and
is, of course, open source. -tom
\_ Okay explain to me why you need session re-keying.
And Tatu's ssh from http://ssh.com may be "open source",
but there are serious restrictions on who can and
cannot use it. OpenSSH has no restrictions.
\_ I need session re-keying because IT IS A
REQUIREMENT OF THE PROTOCOL and therefore
PROPERLY-FUNCTIONING SSH2 CLIENTS DO NOT WORK
WHEN CONNECTED TO OPENSSH SERVERS. How many
times does this need to be explained? -tom
\_ Whatever. What is re-keying anyway?
What does it do and why is it needed
by the protocol? I mean SSH v2 seems
to work find without it when using
OpenSSH. Are you just being ANAL again?
\_ Leave your ssh2 client idle for an hour or
so when connected to an openssh server.
It will freeze eventually and that makes
SSH2 protocol support in OpenSSH useless for
people who need it.
\_ The fact that openssh does not support rekeying made its
ssh2 protocol support nearly useless. Has this been fixed in 2.5.1?
\_ Just short by one feature. No big deal.
\_ This is a big deal for sites that need a working ssh2
protocol support
\_ soda doesn't need ssh2.
\_ fsecure ssh 2.3 and earlier have a flaw in their HMAC code.
this is documented along with the openssh lack of rekeying:
http://www.openssh.com/faq.html#2.3 --jon. |
| 2001/2/22-23 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:20647 Activity:insanely high |
2/22 Come on. How hard could it be for some X savy Gnome lover out there
to script up a "minimize all"? It was the best think about windows
98 and after 3 years i can't find it for my linux box (i've searched
a little but not a huge amount so point the way if i just missed it).
\_ use win98 then, foo.
\_ Serves you right for using a shitty window manager with a shitty
OS. Personally, I use TWM or a toned down afterstep. GUIs are for
little boys.
\_ TWM is not a GUI?
\_ Yes! A fellow twm user!
\_ who besides programmers and sysadmins do you really think
uses a command line interface anymore?
\_ People who want to get work done and not play with themselves
all day changing "themes"? Oh wait, you're a linux user,
\_ he said as much.
right?
\_ he said as much: "my linSUX box"
work where you do -Sys. Admin.
\_ hey Dummy, "He" wasn't The Original Poster.
(and i knew this thread was likely to jump-start
the then fresh motd, but this is more than i had
hoped for) -TOP
\_ programmers know how to use a command line? Boy I'd like to
work where you do -Sys. Admin. (TOP2)
\_ i wasn't trying to make some coder v.s. sysadmin point,
i am neither. I use NT because the comercial software
that does what I need that is easy to use is written for
nt. I think most artists and writers use macos,
and most non-computer related engineers use NT,
\_ Uh, no. As an electrical engineer and ASIC
designer, you don't use NT. All useful CAD
tools are written either for Solaris or HPUX
(and in some cases Linux). You won't find
Synopshit or Cadence tools for NT (at least none
worth using). As for advanced civil, aerospace,
geological, or automotive engineering they rely
on IRIX machines to do any relevant work. Lets
see you do complex fluid dynamics simulation on
your NT box. Only E28 AutoCAD weenies use NT.
and you're average home user is on 98 or 2000.
I'm not saying this a s a holy war starter, just an
observation. all 99% of users out in userland care about
is ease of use, number of useful software products,
and convenience for getting on the web, and that's it!
\_ Not sure what software you are talking about,
but I find NT to be a POS for anything remotely
network related. No inetd, no named, a shitty
web/ftp server, crappy userland (MKS and UWIN
and CygWin suck), no rcp, ssh barely works,
no nfs, no appleshare, crappy browsers, broken
ping and traceroute, shitty version of telnet,
crappy kernel threads. I could go on, but you
probably don't care because you can get 30 FPS
in Q3A in NT and that's all you care about in
word workds? I really am curious.
an OS.
Even LinSUX is better than NT.
\_ look. try to imagine that you are a mechanical
engineer who designes jet ingines for boeing or
something. All you need to do is use AutoCAD to
make drawings and matlab to do simulations and
calculations. that's all. anything else you
do at work is either offline, like talking to
co-workers and doing pencil and paper calculations
or is essentially time-wasting, like surfing the
web or fiddling wiht your screensaver. why do
you care what OS is running autoCAd and matlab,
as long as they work? or tell me whay a writer
who never typesets anything but text, and makes
regular backups to zip, cd and hardcopy from word
which she runs on macOS gives a damn as long as
viewed with lynx.
word works? I really am curious.
\_ I stuided ME, so don't give me this shit.
My dad has been a practicing ME (with a PE)
for 30+ yrs and designed stuff for the
Space Shuttle. They totally care what OS
they are running. Try doing a complex
Finite Element analysis or stress anaylsis
on a WinNT box (even a 4 way Xenon) and
you will be sitting there all week praying
that it doesn't crash half way through.
You need a real computer with a real
OS to do this sort of work. Prefered
OS are Solaris and IRIX on Origin 2ks.
The same is true of almost any kind of
numerical analysis that MatLab is used
for. I worked on airframes for SST prototypes
and no NT machine could crunch our data
in MatLab within a acceptable period of
time (two days) and an acceptable level
of accuracy (it screws up on x86, but not
on Sparc or MIPS).
BTW, I've also written books and you are
right about MacOS. I wouldn't use anything
else for writing (I tried Windows and LinSUX).
I like MacOS, I can open up a few SSH terms
and work on REAL computers, whilst retaining
a reasonably friendly GUI environment.
Windows can't even do that.
\_ OK, ME was a bad example, and i hereby
admit to talking out of my ass about what
a mechanical engineer actually uses in
aerospace, but I think the point still
holds for a large number of profesions. for
*any* profession, you care about what is
available to do your job, not os holy wars.
if the best hardware platform for you simulations
were a cluster of apple IIgs's networked with
OS/2, I claim that's what you would use, even
if you hate IBM and apple and have some silly
quarel with the individual programmers involved
in writing the os. as far as i can tell, most
of the linux vs *bsd vs solaris dispute is
a matter of issues that are largely personal.
\_ for most people who run it at home, its
a matter of taste. I prefer *BSD and Solaris
because they seem "professional".
LinSUX still seems like a toy.
\_ sun almost everyone is cli. Used to work at cisco,
it was 75% there.
\_ I love it when sys admins get a fat head and start
acting superior. It's really cute. Maybe you should
research the companies or positions you're interested
in before applying, bonehead.
\_ I've found most coders know how to use a command line
just enough to cause themselves trouble. I prefer my
current job where the coders don't pretend to know
anything outside their c/c++/java/whatever. The
smartest people are the ones who know their limits.
--not the same sysadmin as above
\_ Hmm. Maybe I'm very fortunate then -- most of
coders I work with are pretty command-line
savvy. <shrug>
\_ You are a dumbass. My porn and my stock charts look crappy when
viewed with lynx. -TOP
\_ But dude, there's all sorts of kewl ascii porn out there
and the stocks are just numbers and symbols. WTF is wrong
with lynx for that? You need a gui to see your stocks drop?
\_ soda [~] % locate squick.vt
/home/digital/ari/squick.vt.gz
/home/digital/coganman/pub/squick.vt.gz
/home/sequent/payam/squick.vt
/home/sequent/runes/squick.vt
\_ Minimize all is a major factor for you? Dude. You suck.
\_ So when another OS or GUI has it, it isn't an important feature
but when your religion has a feature someone else doesn't have,
then it's a critical issue? RIDE BIKE! USE LINUX! KNOW GNOME!
\_ GROW UP!
\_ That's my point idiot. Being religiously dependant on such
stupid crap is...well...stupid. You suck even more for
making it a religious issue. |
| 2001/2/22-23 [Politics] UID:20648 Activity:kinda low |
2/22 Spring cleaning!!!
\_ i thought spring's not until march 20.
\_ fascist bastard. - Rik
\_ It's not fascism, it's the magic of the market. |
| 2001/2/22-23 [Reference/Religion] UID:20649 Activity:moderate |
2/22 http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan I'm speechless. Just...speechless. \_ I dunno what to say except... why hasn't Darwinism eliminated such people yet?!? \_ the more I read the less I could believe it... \_ Brrrr. \_ How many kids do you think this guy has molested? \_ Did you see the counter at the bottom of the peter-pan site? over 240,000 people have seen that man's face. That's about a quarter million; just reading about THAT guy. wow. What a fruitcake. I think he needs a guinea worm. http://www.angelfire.com/ms/guineaworm/index.html |
| 2001/2/22-23 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:20650 Activity:high |
2/22 Is there any advantage of tcsh over bash? I've always used tcsh for
my shell and sh for programming. I'm wondering if tcsh has anything
(other than automatically setting $REMOTEHOST) that bash doesn't.
\_ one thing I like about tcsh that bash doesn't have is you can hit
^D on an attempted file complete, and it will list possible
completions. Pretty useful if you dont remember the exact file name
and dont want to have to abort and retype a commandline just to
do a 'ls'. (well this isn't a default bash option, it may exist,
I just find it easier to 'exec tcsh' than 'man bash') -ERic
\_ in bash, you hit tab twice. $ ls foo^I^I[expansion list returned]
but you can get this particular interface in tcsh as well. I
imagine it's a holdover from csh filec. --jon
\_ If you put "set show-all-if-ambiguous on" in .inputrc you will
need to hit tab only once in most cases.
\_ tcsh has a convenient %~ option for the prompt. Does bash have
a similarly simple counterpart?
\_ what does the '%~' option do?
\_ it prints your current working directory with respect to
your home directory (e.g.: ~user/somedir). man tcsh
\_ Of course bash can do silly things like that. You can
put about anything in your prompt. man bash
\_ I did man bash and didn't see anything about this. Is
there way to do it that is as simple as in tcsh? And
as far as "silly things" goes, realistically, I think
that as far as important (ie, "non-silly") features go,
bash/tcsh/ksh are about the same, so it's the little
things that make the difference.
\_ PS1="\u@\h:\w\\$ "
\_ this only works for directories off of your own
home dir, not off of other users'.
\_ okay. I use ksh, I'd use bourne shell if I could hack
in filec and arrow keys for history. This sort of
stuff is frivolous.
\_ Use zsh. The best of both worlds. (In fact, all most all of both
worlds)
\_ /sbin/sh is the STANDARD shell! Real men know how to type and
don't need fancy line editing. Use Bourne Shell as God and Steve
Steve intended. Though Korn Shell is the spawn of the Devil and
David Korn, its use can be tolerated on systems with clueless
admins who think that /bin/csh (Bill must have been intoxicated
or stoned when he wrote this) is the best thing since DECNET
and LAT came out.
\_ LAT! LAT is the STANDARD protocol! |
| 2001/2/22-23 [Uncategorized] UID:20651 Activity:low |
2/22 So, what's this wall thing?
\_ Do a "wall y" at your prompt to find out.
\_ not many new users use wall. it has been depricated. |
| 2001/2/22-23 [Computer/HW/Display, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:20652 Activity:moderate |
2/22 Go watch the streaming video presentation of GeForce3 / Doom3. You'll
be impressed (oh wait, this is the CSUA i'm talking to here... n/m)
\_ For only $600 too. Why bother paying rent when you can get a
GeForce3.
\_ I'm still waiting for nVida to release the mac rom flasher
for the 2MX card. I'm stuck with a Rage 128 Pro (?) and I
really want a card with better 2D. Raedon is waaaay to
expensive and the performance is not that much beter than
the 128. The 2MX seems like a great card: low price plus
good 2D.
\_ 2d? Any card can do 2d perfectly fine today. 2d is a
done deal. No one buys a new video card for 2d. Any
video card built in the last 18 months has 2d performance
way beyond anything you'll ever need.
\_ Actually the Rage 128 Pro is pretty bad at 2D. It
has a lot of visual artifacts that are simply annoying.
The 2MX is *much* better. I'm unhappy with the 128
because ATI's XClaim 3D VR Plus didn't have these
problems. I was thinking about a Voodoo3, but 3DFX died.
Oh well. - still waiting for a 2MX.
\_ A year after release it'll be $125 and headed into the "value
oriented customer" bin for you cheapos. Doom 3 with be on one
of those $2 CD's at the "old news/impulse buy" software section
at the check out line at Fry's. The MX2 card I have now would
have blown your shoes, shocks, and pants right off only 2 years
ago. Today it's a $99 card. It's all just a penis thing.
\_ No, it's all just an evolution of technology thing
\_ A $600 game card is a penis thing.
\_ don't mistaken value oriented with "cheapos". If you don't
care about paying too much for something's real worth that only
makes you an idiot.
\_ Value oriented = cheapos. It's a market definition. I
didn't make it up. Go read Intel or anyone else's maps
for their future lineup. "Value Oriented" is always the
bottom end system suitable for maybe running tetris. This
is known as a "euphemism". As a Berkeley student or alum,
you should know all about using nice sounding words to make
lesser people feel better. You're not cheap. You're a
Value Oriented customer. BTW, can I still use the word,
"oriented" without offending the Asian-Americans that read
the motd?
\_ Value oriented != cheapos. Some people just don't need
64MB of VRAM. I don't play many games, and the ones that
I do play (old LucasArts games, super puzzle fighter,
Gran Turismo) don't require a $600 video card. The 8 MB
Rage 128 that I have does just fine.
Most of the time I have a browser and a couple of
terminals open. That is all I need to do my work (writing
protocols and such). Occasionally I need to use Word.
The browser, word, terminals look fine even with 4 MB of
video ram.
I just don't need to spend $600 for "top of the line".
There are a lot of people like me.
\_ Yeah, and thank god I'm not one of them. You guys
a are lame and boring.
\_ You are posting this from work because people like
me wrote the routing and switching protocols that
let your crappy little PEECEE participate on the
internet. Its comments like this that make some
people wonder if we should just keep all the packets
to ourselves.
\_ Yeah. They should have the OS automatically
mark the "This computer has a bad ass graphics
card" flag in every IP packet it sends out so
that the routers can automatically adjust the
QoS of traffic originating from no-life gamers.
\_ Well, you've got to use the TOS bits for
something. ;-) (And in case you didn't get
it, I was joking about keeping packets to
myself).
\_ urlP
\_ There are a couple of links on http://xlr8yourmac.com. |
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