Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2001:February:07 Wednesday <Tuesday, Thursday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2001/2/7 [Uncategorized] UID:20521 Activity:high
2/6     Any particular reason why abstruse technical publications (ACM,
        Sigmod, what not) are usually in two columns?
        \_ it reads better than one column
        \_ as above, same reason most large-format books are two-column,
           and novels are usually small pages: people lose track if
           their eyes have to sweep too far left to right.
        \_ CHI is not abstruse and it's also two column. it might also
           be because it's more space efficient: equations rarely span
           the entire with of the page. -ali
2001/2/7 [Computer/Companies/Ebay] UID:20522 Activity:moderate
2/6     Anyone know a restaurant that accepts PayPal?
        \_ paypal is dead
           \_ Why do you say PayPal is dead?  It appears to be doing quite
              well, especially with some of their latest deals with other
2001/2/7 [Finance/Banking, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:20523 Activity:nil
2/6     A while back someone asked about directory-specific aliases.
        Couldn't you accomplish that with aliases?
        alias cd 'source ./unaliasrc; cd !*; source ./aliasrc'
        \-i was talking about directory-specific history stack. are you
        misremembering or is this a different discussion? either way, this
        is too klugy. you could probably build something liek this by extending
        the tcsh completion mechanism. --psb
2001/2/7 [Uncategorized] UID:20524 Activity:nil
2/6     Anyone have any experience with the magicolor 2200 color laser
        printer?  It's under $1,000 after rebates, 20ppm bw 4ppm color.  I know it has no PostScript.
2001/2/7 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/WWW/Server] UID:20525 Activity:very high
2/6     web monkey question: how can I make a webpage include the
        contents of one html file from within another html file? for
        example, I want my webpage, index.html to include the contents
        of a file called title.html whenever it's loaded, so that I
        can change titles by just changing title.html without touching
        index.html. what's the easiest way to do this?
        \_ you need some kind of server-side processing done.  the exact
           details it will depend on what kind of web server you're using.
           Most of the time you'd just add a line like the following to your
           page: <!--#include file="foo.html" --> .  You may need to
           specifically enable SSI on your web server and give your pages
           a special extension (e.g. .shtml, .asp, ...)
           \_ my webserver is Apache. Do I need to call the file index.shtml?
              anything else I need to do?
              \_ you might need to modify your .htaccess file.  See
                 Note that if the web server you're talking about is soda,
                 you don't need to do anything special; just add the
                 <!--#include ... --> line.
           \_ can you specify a url for the content of a CSS? -ali
              \_ URLs to cascading style-sheets can be given in a <LINK ...>
                 tag, which will be handled by the client, not the server.
              \_ not afaik, but you probably could use a combination of
                 SSI and <style> ... </style> tags to do what you want.
2001/2/7 [Uncategorized] UID:20526 Activity:nil
2/6     Lila do you Swing?
2001/2/7 [Recreation/Humor, Recreation/Media] UID:20527 Activity:nil
2/6     Pretty funny movie:
2001/2/7-8 [Computer/SW/Unix, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:20528 Activity:high
2/7     Something wrong with csua ssh connection?
        \_ yes, the version just installed is known to be broken, and root
           is ignoring complaints about it.  -tom
           \_ I think root is just ignoring you.
              \_ OpenSSH works fine for me.
           \_ maybe root has a tom-filter...
              \_ ipchains -A input -s tom -d politburo -j REJECT
                 \_ if tom was cool and 31337 he could get thru since
                    ipchains doesn't have state.
                       \_ Too bad LinSUX doesn't have ipf/ipnat
                          like REAL OSes!
                    \_ At some point, when 2.4 is stable, we'll use iptables.
                       \_ 2.4 is stable. 2.4.1 is out. iptables >> ipchains
                          Use it:
                            iptables -A INPUT -s top -d politburo -j DROP
                          really is more accurate, as he was ignored, not
                          told to shutup and go away.
                           \_ Are all these people truly so moronic that
                              they do not realize that soda is running FreeBSD?
                              \_ enjoy it while it lasts, monkey boy.
                                 - Penguin Construction, you got boxes, we
                                   pave 'em.
                                   \_ Uh?  It's a shell.  It runs commands.
                                      As a non-admin user why do you give a
                                      flying rat's ass what the underlying
                                      kernel is?
                                      \_ uh?  tcsh and bash are shells.  linux
                                         and freebsd are operating systems.
                                   \_ Welcome tasty penguin. - THE DAEMON
                              \_ What soda is not a 31337 L1NUX B0X!?! I'm
                                 quiting the csua. - B1K3 R1D3R
                                 \_ lemonade.csua already is.
                                     \_ what the hell is "nlogin"?
2001/2/7-8 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:20529 Activity:nil
        No light at the end of the tunnel for preventing/protecting against
        DDoS attacks.
        \_ This is not an engineering problem, but a law enforcement problem.
2001/2/7-9 [Computer/SW/Database, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:20530 Activity:high
2/7     Any recommendations for tape backup software on solaris?  I'm currently
        looking at Legato's NetWorker.  Is it any good?  Can somebody tell me
        other packages so that I can compare?  Thanks!
        \_ Legato works for small and medium scale applications. NetBackup
           by Veritas is better, though, and actually works with large
           scale installations (which NetWorker does not). -ausman
        \_ I second Ausman.  Legato worked fine for me with about a dozen
           Ultra2s and some DDS-3 tape robots, and 4 E4500s with L280
           autoloaders.  If you just want fairly simple backup for a small
              it works. --dim
           network, you might even want to consider not using a commercial
           package at all, but instead doing some form of rdist and dump/tar.
           Interestingly enough, in a multi-OS environment, we actually
           had the most success with IBM ADSTAR... -John
           \_ Legato sucks. Veritas sucks less and has its own problems
              (trashed the filesystem on a NetApp due to a bug they blame
              on Sun and Sun blames on them). Just use dump. It's free and
              it works. (By the way, use rsync instead of rdist). --dim
                \_ dump works for single machine+single device situations;
                   it's pretty weak at doing network backup.  -tom
                   \_ If you say so. My experience with *all* network
                      backup products (and I've used a lot) has been bad.
                      Dump has a lot of problems. So does AMANDA (based on
                      dump). Not any more or less than other products, though,
                      and it's FREE. --dim
                          \- note: you cant do a file system restore with
                          \- note: you cant do an OS restore with
                          legato ... as in it doesnt deal with devices and
                          such. it is for data backup. --psb
                          \_ I'm happy to restore my data.
                     \_ Are you a programmer dim?
                     \_ dump can't deal with databases.  A lot of people need
                        to do stuff like backup the database while it's
                        running.  dump can't do that for you.
                        \_ And you know what, it doesn't have to. If you place
                           your database on a mirrored filesystem, you could
                           take one mirror off-line, backup the database from
                           it and then resync with the other part of the mirror
                           \_ Sheer madness.  Don't send your resume here. We
                              mirror for a reason and we don't want it broken
                              for several hours a day while backups are going
                              off and pray that it resyncs properly.  Insane.
                              If your data has value, you'll use a real backup
                              system that can talk to your db without doing
                              the sort of whacky kludgey stuff you're talking
                              \_ So buy a product to back up your DB. Why
                                 backup your whole LAN with that same
                                 product? I have Networker licenses I
                                 don't even use. It sucks that hard. --dim
2001/2/7-9 [Computer/SW/Compilers, Computer/SW/RevisionControl, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:20531 Activity:high
2/7     Any recommendations for Windoze NT/2000 backup software,
        where each user keeps their files on local disk?
        \_ Windoze is not recommended.
        \_ Yech.... Legato I guess but why would you let users keep local
           files?  Your issue isn't backup software.  It's the way you run
           your system.
           \_ What strategory would you suggest?
           \_ What strategory would you suggest?  Obviously I can force
              everyone to compile files on a shared file system, but
              this would make our programmers feel corporate and they
              wouldn't like that.
                \_ They can compile anything on anything they like but I
                   suggest either: store source on remote disk and set up
                   compiler to write all objects, etc, locally or much better
                   would be to use a revision control system like perforce
                   or others that have been discussed previously on the motd
                   and just backup the perforce server.  Anyone stupid enough
                   to never checkin their code deserves to get fucked.
                   \_ Wrong.  source control systems are meant to store
                      revisions, not to be used as primary backup systems.
                        \_ Duh, I didn't say it was a backup system.  I said
                           you're backing up your revision control system
                           instead of dozens, hundreds, or however many desk
                           tops.  Try reading before posting.  Thank you for
                           playing "sysadmin for a day".  Come back next year.
                           I wouldn't want to be the guy to answer to the VP
                           of Engineering when he asks why half his code base
                           went poof and you can't restore it.  "It's a
                           revision control system, not a backup system, so I
                           didn't back it up".  That makes no sense.
                           \_ Read my post again, hacker.  I said they should
                              not be the PRIMARY backup.  They are secondary
                              to having a PRIMARY backup of people's local
                              files.  What you suggest is the easy way out.
                                \_ What I suggest makes it more likely the
                                   files will get backed up even when people
                                   turn off their machines at night.
2001/2/7-9 [Uncategorized] UID:20532 Activity:very high
2/7     Poll-- after you got married, you
        had more sex:           |*****
                                \_ bastards. I want to know what you are
                                   drugging your wives with. I'll pay you.
                                   \_ Perhaps they are not having sex
                                      with their spouses.
                                        \_ Yow!  Good call on that one.
        had less sex:           |**
        starting having sex:    |
        sex, what's sex?        |*
        N/A (gay):              |**
        turned gay:             |*
        same as before:         |***
           \_ being gay doesn't necessarily make this question n/a.
              you can rephrase it as "after you made a ceremonial commitment"
        \_ "Breeding will be permitted only once every seven years.  For
            many of me, this will mean much less breeding.  For some of us,
            many of you, this will mean much less breeding.  For some of us,
            it will mean much, much more."
            \_ When are we going to get to my brocolli program?
            \_ What's this line from?
               \_ The Simpsons
2001/2/7-9 [Industry/Startup] UID:20533 Activity:low
2/7     Volunteers wanted!  gotCOM is a family computer program  providing
        equipment, training and mentoring in disadvantaged West Oakland
        neighborhoods.  We need mentors to be paired, one to one, with the
        families to provide a personal, supportive connection while the family
        is making an initial adjustment to being computer users. The mentoring
        commitment begins in late February and continues until mid-October.
        After attendance at initial training sessions in March and April, the
        mentoring consists mainly of telephone and e-mail contact.  Please see
        <DEAD><DEAD> or contact for details. --max
        \_ cool company. how many stock options, and when is it going IPO?
           \_ He said volunteers. no options you troll.
                \_ 10k options for each family adopted.  IPO sometime in the
                   next 12-15 months you ignorant wanna-be troll.
2019/02/21 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
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