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93% whitey sierra club turns away from basic math and simple logic
in attempt to increase diversity of sc membership.
\_ I've got an idea; let's make redneck cowardly trolls like
\_ Let's just make anonymous cowardly redneck bigoted trolls like
\_ [ tom noise deleted ]
\_ Aw, don't do that, it can be so entertaining watching tom
spew, drool, and spittle.
\_ [ vacuous tom noise deleted again ]
reiffin move to Nebraska where they belong. -tom
[keep deleting this, reiffin, cowardice befits you]
\_ Haven't deleted a thing, Tom. Nice of you to think of
me, though. Once again, Tom, to be a coward means I'd
\_ It's the motd, kid. It happens. Deal.
have to be afraid of something. There *are* things in
the world I fear, but you're not one of them. Try not
to do so much self important ego boosting at the expense
of people who haven't been online during the day to
"keep deleting this". Try to get some facts, tom,
before you smear someone. Or simply grow up. -reiffin
\_ deleting other people's cruft w/o signing your name
is lame. --erikred
\- i imagine some respectable fraction of the sierra club
just wants to go hiking with non-scary looking people who
have similar tastes in music, wine and cheese, but
politically, the club elities are a bunch of hypocrites.
i have more regard for people like the nature conservancy
[i think that is the organization that puts its money
where its mouth is]. lets take an example from the above
URL:
The prestigious Sierra Club had announced in 1989
that its goal of zero population growth required
that "Immigration to the United States should be
no greater than that which will permit achievement
of population stabilization in the United States."
Gee, arent these the people who talk about how racist
republicans want to put themselves in gated communities
and put black men in state-run "gated communitites".
It kind of reminds of of berkeley liberals -- aka the
Chez Panisse crowd -- who have personal Beet and Carrot
Suppliers and help raise money for important social causes
like organic savory herb gardens at their child's private
school. Tom Wolfe redux. --psb
\_ The Sierra Club is bad in a lot of ways, but if
you read the article, it specifically is
complaining that the club changed the above policy,
and now doesn't have a policy on immigration. -tom
\_ But how else will my kids learn about fitting in
with Nature without destroying Her? I don't
understand where you're going with this.
\_ Immigration as an environmental problem is a
canard. The best way to control population is to
educate females; ethnic females in the US get
better education than they do in almost any other
country, thus immigration will lower the overall
population growth. -tom
\_ Wow I am really out of touch. When did female
become an ethnicity? -sameer
\_ "females who are of ethnicities other
than white." Use your brain. -tom
\_ Being stupid I don't see how
increasing immigration will lower
population growth. Perhaps you can
explain to us morons, tom?
\_ Dear morons: some maintain there
is a correlation between higher
education(like in the USA) and
lower population growth, that's all
\- i'm going to try to keep this to
the narrow point about education: many, many
studies have show there is a strong correlation
between female literacy and decrease in pop.
growth. a particularly interesting case is
to comp the indian state of kerela and china.
kerela's literacy-based approach led to a
greater decrease than china's quite drastic
"regulatory" approach. See work of Amartya
Sen among others. i suspect it is largely
the educated that are immigrating rather than
the ignorant finding themselves in america and
winding up better educated, so that attenuates
the claimed effect. anyway, i'll leave it at
that. --psb
\_ But will everyone continue to get
the same level of education if
immigration continues at the
current rates, or even grows?
Like most things, education is
a resource. There are only so
many teachers, classrooms, etc,
to go around. And why do women
have to go to another country to
get an education so they'll have
fewer kids? Isn't education one
of the easier things to bring to
people right where they already
live?
\_ Yes, but there are two points;
one is that immigration is zero-
sum from an environmental
perspective (as opposed to a
NIMBY perspective), and the
other is that it's very likely
the the specific act of
emigrating to the US is likely
to be an actual improvement.
That's not saying it's wouldn't
also be an improvement to have
better education elsewhere. -tom
\_ Zero sum would imply that an
American uses the same amount
of the world's resources as
the average immigrant. This
is not even close to true.
Even if you factor in the
next generation or so (which
is highly speculative. -ausman
American immigrant uses the
same amount of the world's
resources as he would have
had he stayed in his original
country. This is not even close
to true. -ausman |
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