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 2000/12/21 [Uncategorized] UID:20140 Activity:nil 50%like:20889 `12/20 Remove your own motd entries after they're posted over 3 days!`
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 2000/12/21 [Computer/SW/Languages] UID:20142 Activity:high ```12/20 Can someone explain this: "Denormal numbers present a major stumbling block to implementing floating point multiplcation, because they require performing a variable shift in the multiplier, which wouldn't otherwise be needed. Thus, high- performance, floating point multipliers often do no handle denormalized numbers, but instead trap, letting software handle them." \_ Don't you always multiply the mantissas as if they are integers and then add the exponents, regardless of whether they are normalized or not? \_ normalizing a floating point number means shifting its mantissa to the left until the MSB of the mantissa is 1 (and compensating by changing the exponent). if you know a number is normalized, you don't need to store the 1, which means that assuming normalized gets you a free bit. however, being a certain number of shifts, when the exponent gets as small as it can get, you can't shift any more, and you might be forced to use a denormal float. this is only a problem with very small number. typically, hardware will throw and error when it can't normalize. good hardware doesn't and just says lets you know that something is a denorm. -ali. \_ That's easy. Just shift left by the leading zero count. Zero counting in hardware is pretty easy. For 32-bits that's just 5 levels of multiplexor and AND gates (AND gates are probaly has a higher delay). gates probably has a higher delay).```
 2000/12/21-25 [Academia/GradSchool] UID:20143 Activity:moderate ```12/20 just out of curiosity, how many people at berkeley give a rats ass about grad student unionization one way or the other? -alum \_ unions suck. ban unionization. \_ onions suck. ban onionization. \_ It's stupid. Grad students striking only hurts undergrads. They don't strike from their own classes or research. \_ How else do you propose they improve their working conditions? Talk at the UC a lot? Well, that hasn't conditions? Talk at the UC a lot? Well, that hasn't worked or there wouldn't be a onion. Teaching is many worked or there wouldn't be a union. Teaching is many student's only realistic means of support during gradschool, and they deserve decent compensation and reasonable working conditions. If you knew the \_ has the berkeley grad student union pulled in people who egregious dirty tricks that the UC has played on grad student instructors you'd support their strikes instead of feeling sorry for the undergrads. \_ "many students"is the key phrase here. As an engineering \_ has the berkeley grad student onion pulled in people who don't teach? i go to another school now as a grad student, and have noe intention of teaching, and am constantly pestered by the onion people. as far as i can tell, the "movement" is a political power play by the large international onion who is grad student I make a very comfortable living wage from my stipend for doing work i love that leads to a financially valuaeble degree, and has flexible hours. If the TA's from the humanities departments who are being taken advantage of came to me and said "we have a problem, and we would like your support in our cause," i might have sympathy. instead they lie and say that they want to "make the engineering department a better place"and such to trick us into joining. as far as i can tell, the only people who would really benefit are those who are paying for it: the union bosses on the outside who think grad student unionization is a good way to get their numbers up. i go to a private school though. i was wondingering if people at berkeley feel the same way about UAW that i feel about HERE, the people sponsoring our unions effort. [fixed most major spelling errors. -motd spelling god] \_ Striking isn't it. As an alum who suffered through one of those ridiculous strikes years ago I could give a damn about the grad students. The undergrads suffered. The University didn't suffer a bit. The profs didn't. The grad students sure as hell didn't. They were trying hard to get undergrads to boycott classes but they didn't boycott their own. What a total crock. Grad student strikes do *nothing* towards improving grad student working conditions. I do not support them in any way. When the grad students do a *real* walkout on their own classes and their own research for their own profs that they work for on a daily basis then they might get some sympathy but the phony strikes don't cut it. They can bite me. Actually I was around for several of these _fake_ grad student strikes. Just a bunch of hypocritical noise. I did what my graduate instructors did, not what they said to do. I went to class. \_ You miss the point, grad students want to be doing their research, it is the most important part of being a graduate student and is essential to advancing their career and education. Grad students might want to be taking classes, it is often neccessary to meet class requirements to graduate, and classes can be useful, and fun. Graduate students rarely want to be teaching a \_It's all controlled by the mob. Teamsters have nothing to do with higher education. Ban the unions. classes, it is not what they came to gradschool to do. The fact that graduate students in less fortunate fields need to spend so much time teaching classes sucks, it is a waste of time for them and they do not recieve anything near the compensation that their level of education would imply in "The Real World" (tm). Perhaps striking is an ineffective way for graduate students to get their grieveness addressed, but, I do think they have some legitimate complaints which should be addressed. With respect to the impact that these strikes have on undergrads, yes, we do suffer. But guess what, undergrad instruction at Cal is nothing to write home about anyway, a fair number of our professors couldn't teach their way out of a cardboard box, our classes are absurdly over crowded, and at least in computer science, the amount of money we get for instructional is laughable. A few grad students walking out isn't exactly going to ruin an otherwise unblesmished record. \_ So you're saying that since undergrad education at Cal already sucks, grad students should go ahead and feel free to strike as they're not hurting anyone anyway? If the strike is ineffective, then why do it? I don't know where you get the idea undergrads aren't hurt. Just about everyone I knew at the time hated the grad student strike and got fucked pretty badly during finals. And no I don't have any sympathy whatsoever for the poor dears who became grad students. Teaching for dirt wages is part of the deal. It wasn't a secret and they can go get a new career with that Real World Salary anytime they want. Pretty much just boo fucking hoo. \_ has the berkeley grad student union pulled in people who don't teach? i go to another school now as a grad student, and have noe intention of teaching, and am constantly pestered by the union people. as far as i can tell, the "movement" is a political power play by the large international union who is sponsoring the whole thing here. does this pretty much describe the suituation with UAW and UC grad students? \_ Your ass has been formatted. -motd formatting god \_ It's all controlled by the mob. Teamsters have nothing to do with higher education. Ban the unions. \_ no. destroy the mob.```
 2000/12/21 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Recreation/Food] UID:20144 Activity:nil ```12/20 Does anyone know of a good internet source for indian recipes? \_ try these. (student's guide to cooking) http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mjw/recipes/ethnic/indian/indian-coll-1.html http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mjw/recipes/ethnic/indian/indian-coll-2.html -- sagarwal```
 2000/12/21 [Uncategorized] UID:20145 Activity:nil ```12/20 Any *runtime* reason why include java.stuff.here may be better than include java.stuff.* ??? \_ None. The bytecode is the same. It's just a matter of good style. \_ the first way limits the number of things that are available in the namespace to just the contents of java.stuff.here, some people like this better since it force the programmer to understand the effect of imports. In the old days importing a single file was slightly faster than importing all of the entries in a directory, so some old timers stick with method 1.```
 2000/12/21 [Industry/Startup] UID:20146 Activity:high ```12/20 Is the safeway strike over? \_ There never was a strike against Safeway. \_ Umm, the teamsters strike?? \_ If you're talking about the strike against Summit Logistics, yes that's over. \_ Yes. The company that has only one customer: Safeway. It was a Safeway strike no matter how you want to redefine it. It's just a shell company run by Safeway. I'm anti-union but I'm not blind, run by Safeway. I'm anti-onion but I'm not blind, or stupid and I don't delete other people's posts because they say things I don't like to read.```
 2000/12/21-23 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:20147 Activity:low ```12/20 Anyone looking for a house in Berkeley? Is it just me, or are there really really few houses on the market right now? Why? Is it just because of the holidays? \_ yah don't you know houses are the ultimate christmas present \_ Most folks won't move over the xmas holiday unless they have to. \_ I've heard from a couple realtors that basically no real estate activity occurrs around this time. (My company was in a space and needed to break our lease... the owner said we could either be out by Thanksgiving or pay until January 1st.) \_ Why would you want to own property in Berkeley anyway?```
 2000/12/21-23 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:20148 Activity:nil ```12/20 Still looking for agpgart.o from a recently built linux box. Please leave a copy in /tmp or a URL I can grab it from. Thanks! (And please don't delete this again). \_ Why not build it yourself? (And yes, this thread will be deleted ..) \_ Because I don't have a linux box. I just need one little file. I don't have an extra box sitting around just doing nothing waiting for me to install an entire OS just to get one file. Thank you for being so helpful and friendly about such a minor and tiny request.```
 2000/12/21 [Uncategorized] UID:20149 Activity:nil ```12/20 Do tulip or iris bulbs last more than one season? I bought a bunch of bulbs and I'm planting them. I'm wondering if I'll have do to it over again next year because they will all die. Thanks. \_ tulips don't naturalize in the Bay Area, it doesn't get cold enough. Irises might. Daffodils do. If you want, you can dig up your tulip bulbs and put them in the refrigerator for a month and re-plant them. -tom \_ tom is right about tulips -- they require a deep freeze \_ axiom 2? to bloom (around here, one has to refrigerate them for 6-8 weeks before planting). they can last another season around here if you let the tulips bloom, and then wait until their leaves wither after their blooming period (this is when nutrients store up in the bulb and is valuable). Then, you dig them up and store them in a cool, dry, dark place until fall, when you once again, refrigerate/chill them, and start over. You don't, fortunately, have to do this with irises, which do naturalize quite nicely in the Bay Area (but every couple of years, irises prefer some "thinning out" -- otherwise they don't rebloom very well). If you want bulbs that naturalize well, I second tom's recommendation of daffodils, and I add a recommendation for narcissus (paperwhites), which do not require a deep freeze, are low maintenance, and bloom readily throughout the winter months (mine are blooming right now, and there are more of them than last year). --chris```
 2000/12/21 [Uncategorized] UID:20150 Activity:nil ```12/20 Why can't clean tissue paper be recycled with "mixed paper"? It seems like tissue paper is made of the same fiber, just less packed. \_ To be wary of your "clean" tissue paper is not unwise.```
 2000/12/21-25 [Consumer/Camera] UID:20151 Activity:moderate ```12/20 What's the resolution of a consumer camcorder? When I hook up my camcorder to my 20" TV the image doesn't look as sharp as those from broadcasting stations. \_ Your consumer camcorder uses VHS, they broadcast SuperVHS. There is a noticeable difference. \_ Broadcasters only use SVHS? I thought it was something better.. \_ believe it or not, many of them actually use Betamax. \_ I believe that broadcasters use Betacam, which is a more professional-grade version of Betamax. \_ This depends alot on the camcorder. If it's normal 8, yes it's going to be a lot lower resolution. If it's Hi-8/S-VHS/it will be "broadcast quality" but a lot depends on the quality of the camera itself. I've known normal 8 cameras to "look" better on first gen than hi-8/s-vhs because of better color. Some brands really suck. Some of the new digital cameras beat Betacam, but ya gotta spend \$3K -- but that sure beats \$15K! but ya gotta spend \$3K -- but that sure beats \$15K! Also, you might be inadvertently recording in "EP" or "SLP" mode which will definitely affect quality. Finally, be sure to have a hi-8 tape or S-VHS tape if that's what your camera uses, if you use normal 8 or VHS you are going to see the difference. \_ That's great people, but if you read the question, you'd realize the question is asking for resolution. -troll```
 2000/12/21-23 [Finance/Shopping] UID:20152 Activity:moderate ```12/20 Has anyone ever worked at a McDonalds? Do the eggs in the egg McMuffins come precooked/preshaped, or do they use real eggs? \_ They are real eggs, you crack them into these metal rings. -tom \_ Are you saying this from experience? \_ yes. Though I usually worked closing. -tom \_ And I always thought they were extruded like plastic. \_ I thought they were spun and grown into ingots (like silicon wafers) and then pulled out and sliced up. \_ On a similar note, I've heard rumors that Jack In The Box tacos aren't actually made of beef... rather, some cheap soy substitute. I asked for a nutrition fact sheet type thing last time I was there but just got blank stares. I'd really like to know since I don't like beef but really like those tacos. Truth or urban legend? \_ I've also heard that KFC chickens are machine grown and headless and that people wake up in ice baths with their kidneys removed. Ah..the freshman urban legend forwards. \_ KFC is made of soilant green! Soilant green is made of HUMANS!!! \_ Tom finally weighs in on something he knows about-- MacDonalds and flowers! \_ Don't knock flowers. That's important. \_ absolutely! without flowers I wouldn't have a cheap, convenient, and disposable gift to give the cheap easy women I date.```
 2000/12/21-23 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:20153 Activity:moderate ```12/20 Why is OpenSSH prefered over SSH1? Aren't all those bad ass patented algorithms better than the free ones? Does this mean no RSA? \_ OpenSSH is not preferred over SSH. -tom \_ Depends. You want code from the OpenBSD guys or from whoever? There's no magic in the non-Open version you'll be missing out on. \_ except working support for the SSH2 protocol and IDEA. -tom \_ OpenSSH works just fine with IDEA, you just have to enable it (and in OpenSSL). \_ ssh2? Yes... and? So what? What are you doing that ssh1 isn't good enough for? \_ Connecting from a Mac, for one. Connecting with an ssh2 client, for another. -tom \_ OK, let's see. #1 is wrong.. I connect from a mac to ssh1 servers all the time, and #2 is a tautology. Boy, you're a bright one, tom. \_ I "connect" from a Mac to ssh1 servers, but the software available has insufficient features. And #2 isn't a tautology if you are someone running a system that has to be accessed remotely (such as, just about every machine running ssh). -tom \_ How many machines with _only_ ssh2 clients have you worked with? \_ I have had to install ssh2 servers so people with only ssh2 clients could connect. Real world. -tom```
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