11/17   What some of you are rooting for and siding with:
        http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/decision2000/lat_dems001117.htm
        From the LA Times, that bastion of right wing conservatism. ;) ;) ;) ;)
        \_ Um, what crack are you smoking? LA Times is hard left.
           \_ He's being sarcastic.
                \_ Yes.  I was being sarcastic.  I keep forgetting how low the
                   Cal's standards are these days.  There was once a time long
                   long ago in a place right here in Berkeley where you could
                   make an obviously sarcastic remark and everyone clearly
                   understood and appreciated it.  Next time I'll use idiotic
                   <sarcasm> text </sarcasm> markings for people who read html
                   better than English.
                \_ Yes.  I was being sarcastic.  I keep forgetting how
                   low the Cal's standards are these days.  There was
                   once a time long long ago in a place right here in
                   Berkeley where you could make an obviously
                   sarcastic remark and everyone clearly understood
                   and appreciated it.  Next time I'll use idiotic
                   <sarcasm> text </sarcasm> markings for people who
                   read html better than English.
                   \_ Uh, <sarcasm> isn't a valid HTML 4.0 tag. ;-)
                        \_ I think it's being discussed for the next version
                           of the spec, but you're right about current html
                           'standards'.  Use your CSUA Motd Browser.  It reads
        (reference implementation in /csua/bin/motdbrowser) _/
                                \_ /csua/bin/motdbrowser
                           the newer tags.
                           \_ Assume that all motd posts are sarcastic
                              unless told otherwise.

11/17   everytime i log on it says i have mail, but i don't.
        i use pine and nothing shows up, i use 'mail' and there is a
        email from MAILER-DAEMON saying not to delete it.
        \_ this is a pine internal feature. the "you have mail" message
           will be eternally confused for as long as you run pine. you should
           only pay attention to "you have new mail"
           will be eternally confused for as long as you run pine. you
           should only pay attention to "you have new mail"
           \_ I get a lot of false "you have new mail" messages.  what's up
              with that?
        \_ cat /dev/null > /var/mail/<your user name>
           \_ next time you start pine, that message will re-appear. deal.
              \_ ask root to rm -f /usr/local/bin/pine
        \_ stupid question: how do you enable/disable that new mail login
           message?
           \_ touch .hushlogin
              \_ I've already got a .hushlogin file, but I still get the mail
                 message at login.  removing it just shows me the motd too
           \_ you can't.`
              \_ where does that message come from then?
        \_ The message comes from your shell.  man bash/tcsh/whatever

11/17   Let's say I'm a 95 year old guy with a lot of credit cards. I
        charge them to the max and then I die. What happens to the bills?
        \_ Funny how people around here are so smart, they can just make up
           the law and spew it over the motd with such an forthright sense
           of confidence and knowing.  Your heirs are not responsible.  You
           can't wrack up tons of debt and leave it to Bill Gates.  Sheesh.
           Hope none of you are wannabe law students.
        \_ Your heirs are responsible
           \_ Get overdraft/death protection on your cards.
           \_ not true.  it is no legal to make your heirs responsible
           for your debts.  but of course your creditors can get money
           out of the estate you leave when you die.  which means
           less money for the heirs.  if you don't have any
           estate to leave... ok maybe the above is a win!
         \_ can you refuse to be an hier?
            \_ No.
         \_ just make Bill Gates your heir.
            \_ Now that would be interesting.
                 \_ Just do it!
        \_ The debts are paid off from the estate and then the rest is paid
           out to the heirs, if any, according to the will or trust in place.

11/17   Does anybody have a pet snake?  I just caught a mouse. - tpc

11/17   Does anybody have a pet anaconda?  I just caught 2 mice. - tpc
        \_ aspolito will take them off your hands.
                \_ someone beat you to it - tpc

11/17   King Clinton visits Vietnam:

        <DEAD>english.hk.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/asia/afp/article.html?s=hke/headlines/001117/asia/afp/Clinton_mania_in_Hanoi_as_president_urges_reconciliation.html<DEAD>

        Tran Hoai Dung, 17, said the president "was very smiley, kind
        and friendly to us. "He had a real ... gallantry about him,"
        she sighed. "He's truly a king."

        All Hail!
        \_ How about BC saying the following:

           "In our experience, guaranteeing the right to religious
            worship and the right to political dissent does not
            threaten the stability of a society," he said. "Instead it
            builds people's confidence in the fairness of our
            institutions."

            Perhaps he should be talking to ALGOR's lawyers.
                \_ Except that part was reported to have been blurred over
                   when they translated it to the Vietnamese public.  Not BC's
                   fault, I'm sure, but nice of the Vietnamese government to
                   make sure to skip that part.  I note that BC is enjoying
                   his final days in office.  He hasn't been happier since
                   seeing Al lose the election and his wife make it into
                   office with Al turning down his help and his wife taking
                   it by the bucket load.  Poor Al.  Shouldn't have turned
                   away from his Master.

11/17   How to blackmail your way to high office in 3 easy steps:
        http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/16294.htm
        \_ If the whole Monica Lewinsky scandal has taught you
           anything, it's that blackmail is more likely to get
           you in trouble than it is to get your victim in trouble.

11/17   CNN: Gore operatives must manufacture 927 votes to steal
        Presidency. Bush +926 with all counties reporting.  That a
        *lot* of votes, especially when WPB is failing to uphold their
        duties and has found more Bush votes than Gore votes so far.
        Gotta replace those 3 clowns with people who know how to
        create votes properly.
        \_ Yeah, let's let Jesse Jackson and Mayor Dayle's boy
           and ALGOR do the recounting.
        \_ Update: Unofficial tally is Bush+930.  What is Gore's group
           thinking?  This is no way to win an election.  If they want the
           victory, they need to do it Chicago style with tommy guns in an
           empty warehouse.  When Gore loses, he'll just fade into historical
           obscurity.  Daley is going to "have an accident".  Bye Daley.
           \_ Perhaps this is inconceivable to you bastards, but maybe
              they're doing the recount honestly?  Maybe Al Gore's game the
              whole time was to see if he really won or not based on the
              most accurate count possible?  Nah, you guys would rather find
              in him the same smut and slime that is in your own hearts,
              even if you have to "manufacture" the evidence yourself.--PeterM
              \_ Yeah, hand recounting, where its upto partisan
                 counters using subjective standards to evaluate
                 choices is really a "honest" recount. ALGOR isn't
                 trying to figure out if he won, he's trying to
                 ensure that he wins. If you think that ALGOR is
                 above doing something like this, you forget that
                 he and his boss have already sold out this country
                 to N. Korea, China, and Iran via covert illegal
                 channels.
                 choices is really a "honest" recount. Tell me
                 another one.
                 ALGOR isn't trying to figure out if he won, he's
                 trying to ensure that he wins. If you think that
                 ALGOR is above doing something like this, you
                 forget that he and his boss have already sold out
                 this country to N. Korea, China, and Iran via
                 covert illegal channels.
                 \_ Well, his partisan recounters sure seem to be counting
                    honestly despite your assertion that they're biased.
                    In fact, if your theory is correct, why is Gore not ahead?
                    Your willingness to "find" dishonesty and prejudge people
                    is a condemnation of your self more than it is of Gore.
                    \_ Because it's hard to find enough competent people to
                       screw up the votes without getting caught and they *are*
                       getting caught.  Slime in our hearts?  Tsk. Tsk.  What
                       happened to not wanting to be a part of the politics
                       of personal destruction?  Lefty smears.  If you can't
                       win honestly, smear smear smear and recount count count
                       until you do.  We can see what's going on down there and
                       it's ugly and unAmerican.
                       \_ Are you really a wingnut, or do you just play
                          one on the Internet?
                    \_ They are trying, but the votes just aren't there.
                       The problem has escalated from maufacturing 300 votes
                       to manufacturing a 1000 votes. Its much harder but
                       ALGORs counters are trying:

             http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/18/134509.shtml
             http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/11/18/194259

                \_ Here's the deal: with 1% of the hand recount done in
                   Palm Beach County, Gore had +19 new votes.  So, he's
                   on pace to pick up 1,900 new votes there, which would
                   be more than enough to beat Bush.  If the FL
                   S. Ct. allows the hand recount, Gore should win.
                   \_ Actually, its a lot worse for ALGOR than that.
                      The 4 precincts that were counted went Gore by
                      large percentages. That only 19 new votes is a
                      setback for Gore, since most of the other
                      precincts were evenly split or heavily bush.
                      And everyone knows that linear extrapolation
                      from a single data point cannot yeild correct
                      results.
                   \_ Who taught you basic math?  Some partisan 70 year old
                      bimbo in FL on the tube?  1900 is not a realistic number.
                      As the above states, those 4 precincts do not represent
                      the rest of WPB's voting patterns.  Those were the
                      absolute *best* Gore precincts in the state.  1900 is
                      a theoretical maximum based on the assumption the rest of
                      county had the same voting patterns.  They don't.

11/17   For the person who asked about Reagan's one vote in 76:
        http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/16294.htm

11/17   The wonderful press.  Now running each other over for parking spots:
        http://www.newsblues.com/Stories/shep_smith.htm

11/17   TV media is reporting that the Texas ballots are 99% *not* punch card
        style ballots so a manual recount makes more sense and isn't prone
        to have hundreds of little bits flying this way and that or being
        manipulated by party partisans.  Anyone have a URL for that?
        \_ URL please.
                \_ Damn.  Learn to read.  I was *asking* for a URL to match
                   what the TV media reported.
        \_ Let's only waste the People's time in states where the elections
           was close.
                \_ Uhm, what's your point?

11/17   How much is the following worth?

        Sun six-slot box w/68-pin Wide SCSI III interface, with
        4x4.3GB Quantum Drives and 2x4.3GB Seagate Drives

        And could we use it for soda?
        \_ It is not possible to tell how much it is worth without knowing the
           model name.
        \_ It is not possible to tell how much it is worth without
           knowing the model name.
        \_ Not much. Give part numbers. NNN-NNNN