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2000/11/17-19 [Industry/Startup] UID:19812 Activity:low
11/17   What are the implications (URL would be great) of being an officer
        of a company? I'm VP Eng of a new startup, and I'm wondering how/why
        I should push to be an officer.
        \_ I don't know if you have vc funding yet, but _unless_ you are really
           really really hip and profitable, VCs replace all the "O"s in a
           startup after they give you money and move in their own O's.
           Be warned. - paolo
        \_ You get a big golden handshake when you go under because they're
           making clueless people VP's.  What's the company name?  I want to
           know where not to send my resume.
        \_ I think officers usually have seats on the board of directors
           \_ No, not really.
        \_ What does "officer" mean at your company? Someone who is an
           officer at a bank, say, is not usually on the BoD. It's just
           a title that involves more stock options and signing authority.
        \_ Nick Kral, Gamers is a luz3r company. It doesn't matter what your
           title there is. Accept the fact and MOVE ON. You'll glad you did.
           You'd hope someone who claims to be a VP wouldn't post on
           the MOTD about this stuff. I guess startups are getting
           desperate.
           \_ My stock, as a founder, is already defined... Also, I'm not
              going to be on the board. The debate is whether or not I should
              be an officer. Why would I care? All the CEO said is that
              officers have "signing authority" but what does that mean?
        \_ Looks like your motivation is based on money. If the board of
           director likes you, he'll ask you to be on board. Otherwise,
           forget it. Very few honest men stand a chance of climbing to
           BoD. If you want to make it there, you need to learn how to be
           scumbag like the BoDs.
2000/11/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:19813 Activity:nil
11/17   Vote for your favorite operating system:
        Windows 2000 ----------O
        Linux ------------+----O <-------- Pat Buchanan
        FreeBSD ----------|----8 <-------+ Windows 98 |
        OpenBSD -------+  |      () <--+---- tjb <------+
        Write In       |  +----o o   |
        ________       |          |    +---- Linux
        .              +----------+
        \_ Ugh!  This is utterly confusing!  How can you expect a
           dumbass like me to figure it out?
        \_ Nice try.  1st graders in the deep south can get it right.  Why
           can't race baiters like Jesse Jackson?  Oh wait.  They use the
           same ballot in *his* voting district and it went ok.
2000/11/17-19 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:19814 Activity:high
11/17   There are 260 million Americans.  Is a president who can spell,
        does well academically, is honest, has leadership abilities too
        much to ask for?
        \_ 1) Why does spelling count?  2) Why does GPA count?  3) Yes,
           because our political system is so dirty, very few honest men
           stand a chance of climbing that while yet remaining clean.
           \_ judging from your writing, i'd say you yourself come from
              a pretty fucked up country with horribly unjust politics. -ali
              \_ Name a country that is not f*ed up and has just politics.
                 \_ The president of Kirghizstan is a Ph.D. in physics, with
                    a sizeable amount of work in his field.
                 \_ In Red China we don't have these problems.  All men in
                    power are great leaders and are honest and academic.
                      \_ Yeah, they just shoot people they don't agree
                         with.
                         \_ But they do it in a fair and nonpartisan manner.
                            They shoot *all* of the people that don't agree
                            with them.  Sounds pretty fair to me.
                            \_ Me Too. - ALGOR
                   \_ They also get any hootchie they want.
        \_ More like ~300 million.  Try counting the immigrants.
                \_ Don't use leftist terminology.  It's 270 or so million
                   citizens and legal residents and 30+ million illegal aliens
                   that are here in violation of the law.  Don't get sucked
                   into the nonsense which blurs the line between perfectly
                   acceptable legal immigration and other violating our
                   borders.  There is a big difference.
                   \_ slavery has been abolished, these aliens should
                      be freed and not held in bondage by the threat of
                      deportation
                        \_ If I wasn't sitting on the floor, I'd have fallen
                           off my chair laughing!  This is one of the best
                           trolls in a long 10+ days worth of trolls!  Yes!
                           No more borders!  One world government!  Oh! Please
                           stop!  It hurts to laugh so hard!  Thank you for
                           brightening my day.
                           \_ Ein Volk!  Ein Reich!  Ein Fuhrer!
                             \- 300M is too high. A little over 275M residents
                                in US [and about 210-220M guns]. --psb
                              \_ "One World, One Web, One Program"
2000/11/17-19 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:19815 Activity:high
11/17   Can anyone give a simple comparison between the PII, PIII,
        K6-2, K6-3, K7, Athlon, Duron, Celeron?
        Athlon = K7 > PIII > Duron > Celeron > K6-2 > K6-3 > PII
                                               \_ Why is K6-2 > K6-3?
                                                  \_ It's not.
        \_ Athlon = K7 > PIII > Duron > Celeron > K6-2 > K6-3 > PII
                                               \_ Why is K6-2 > K6-3?
                                                  \_ It's not.
        \_ isn't PII > Celeron?  I thought Celeron was a PII without
           a special cache.  Yeah, and I think K6-3 > K6-2
           \_ Yep, and PII > K6-{2,3}
                \_ new try:
                   Athlon=K7 > PIII > Duron > PII > K6-3 > Celeron > K6-2
                   \_ That's a big difference dumbass.
                        \_ fyi, the two tries are from two different
                           people.
2000/11/17-19 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:19816 Activity:low
11/17   where'd rz/sz go?  I need my zmodem fix
        \_ source code: ftp://ftp.cs.pdx.edu/pub/zmodem/rzsz.zip
        \_ the version of rz/sz that we have installed installs itself as
           lrz and lsz.
           /var/db/pkg/lrzsz-0.12.20/+DESC:
         This program uses error correcting protocols to send/receive
         files over a dial-in serial port from a variety of programs
         running under PC-DOS, CP/M, Unix, and other operating systems.
         lrzsz is derived from the last unrestricted verison of Chuck Forsberg's
         rzsz package.  lrzsz is covered under the GNU copyleft.
         WWW: http://www.ohse.de/uwe/software/lrzsz.html
2000/11/17-19 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:19817 Activity:nil
11/17   Big Game to be on internet:
        http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/001117/ca_cisco_s.html
        \_ Does anybody here have the balls to hack some stanford web pages?
           \_ their front page is running apache w/stronghold. if you can
              get sameer to lend us the use of one of his personal/internal
              backdoors, we're set =)
           \_ It's been done.  No big deal.
2000/11/17-19 [Transportation/Car] UID:19818 Activity:high
11/17   How do most cars eventually "die"? (excluding terrible accidents)
        \_ When the cost of repairs is higher than the value of the car.
        \_ 150K on trasmission rebuild, 200K on engine overhaul.
              \_ my uncle's literally went up in flames on Mother's Day.
                 He was brilliantly trying to get it re-started and just
                 cranking the engine until flames started to appear under
                 the hood.  Real spectacle, with the fire department and all.
                        -- bitter alum
                 \_ Whatever.  Rednecks can't be bitter.  Deal.
        \_ do you donate the car?  Send to the junkyard?  Sell to some
           poor college student?
                \_ Donate.
                   \_ Donating is a pain in the ass, most charity groups
                      take forever + repeat phone calls to get around to
                      picking it up.
                        \_ Nah, I made a call, they showed on time, I filled
                           out some papers, they left me with some proof for
                           my taxes and hauled it away.  Call a different
                           charity if your first choice flakes.
           \_ if it's old enough, send it to the california auto retirement
              program... get a few bucks and get a smoker off the road.
           \_ how long do i have for my honda 97 accord  w/ 82000 on it?
                \_Honda's are pretty reliable in general.   I've seen
                  japanese cars go 140-180k perfectly fine with normal
                  maintainance done.
                \_ Depends on the type of driving.  My '89 Honda Civic
                   had 235,000 miles on it when I traded it in, and it
                   was still running perfectly.  But 95% of those miles
                   were freeway miles.  Never had the engine rebuilt or
                   any major system overhauled ... -eric
2000/11/17-19 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:19819 Activity:nil
11/16   Is it just me or is procmail not doing its job?
        \_ It must be just you.
2000/11/17 [Uncategorized] UID:19820 Activity:nil
11/16   I'm not wearing any pants.
        \_ Then can I touch you?
           \_ Damn Cletus. Wha'dya hav to pak in fant of ma parents?
              \_ Aw shunks, Arelene, they's my parents too!
2000/11/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19821 Activity:nil
11/16 More important than what the media talks about is what they don't.
      A few items no longer or never mentioned:  James Car-Vile, Jesse
      Jackson and the "it's another Selma!" brigade, the confused people,
      Hillary!, Bill, any senior Democrats publicly stating their support
      for Al Gore (Wexler's mewling doesn't count), Wexler, Al Gore's
      attempted coup, election fraud, the networks calling Florida 70+
      minutes before the pandhandle polls closed (when working repubs are
      going to the polls), the networks calling Gore states instantly and
      waiting hours to call Bush states creating the false appearance that
      Gore was sweeping the election.  And finally a comment on GWB: GWB is
      clearly too stupid to realise you can't fight the Democrats on their
      own terms, so here he is plowing forward, day after day, pretty much
      ignoring the media, polls, and everything else, not really fighting
      too hard, just kind of being there, doing something the Dems have
      never encountered before: saying "No".  Bye Al.  Your career is over
      no matter what you do.  I've met Bill Clinton, and you sir, are no
      Bill Clinton.
      \_ Bill Clinton is my hero!
         \_ Bill Clinton was the best president we've had for a generation.
            \_ I'm da MAN! - BC
      \_ Another thing you never hear in the press: the fact that the
         Republicans have hand recounted Republican majority counties
         in Florida and added them to George Bush's votes and now want
         to stop the Democrats from doing the same:
         http://orlandosentinel.com/elections/1110sem.htm
         This is conservative newspaper who endorsed Bush, if you doubt
         the source.
         \_ Nyet, Comrade!  These votes were put through the machine again,
            despite what your pro-American yankee pig dog lying media would
            have you believe!  They were not hand counted by hundreds of
            people sitting in a room guessing how pregnant a chad is.  Try
            again.  Hail to the Emperor, Gore!  We must try harder in the
            future to persuade the public our lies are true!  Truth is media!
            The media is us!  Will of the People!  We are the Majority Party!
2000/11/17 [Uncategorized] UID:19822 Activity:nil
11/16 <blithering idiot vwapped>
2000/11/17-19 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:19823 Activity:kinda low
11/16   Who donated to the Mark VI project? They can't all be donated by
        AMD and the Tertiary Disk Project can they? Also what happened to
        the old parts?
        \_ hey, now we'll be free from the selfrighteous "Alumni bought you a
           shiny new soda" bullshit
        \_ actually a complete system by AMD
           \_ Yes.  AMD gave us a system with 700MHz CPU, 18G disk, 768M DRAM.
              The TDA gave us "a lot" of 9G disks and boxes for them.
              Mark V is sitting around somewhere, essentially idle.  Everyone
              wants to take a break from it for now, failure-ridden POS
              that it is at the moment.  --PeterM
              \_ If it's such a POS then why not make it an nfs'd /tmp
                 directory or use it to store mail for mail spool hozers.
                 \_ Do I hear a volunteer?????  Cool.  It's likely we'll
                    need a new VP next semester.  Please feel free to run!
                    --PeterM
        \_ Where can I get old parts? I'm building a tiny system for my mom.
           \_ I got a large system for yermom right here.
2000/11/17-19 [Uncategorized] UID:19824 Activity:nil
11/16   so who snatched the donated Vodoo 3 card that was donated and replaced
        it with a Diamond Stealth 3d?
        \_ Both are crap.  Who cares?
2000/11/17 [Uncategorized] UID:19825 Activity:nil
11/16   Remember kids, no free speech for people we disagree with!  Carry on.
2000/11/17 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:19826 Activity:nil
11/16   How do I enable tagged queuing on scsi drives under freebsd?
        \_ It is on by default.
           \_ I guess its not available on my seagate drives (Hawk).
2000/11/17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:19827 Activity:nil
11/16   1976: Carter 297, Ford 240, Reagan 1 (margin of 57)
        Was Reagan an independent candidate?  (the above are electoral votes)
        \_ The electors are able to vote for whomever the choose. In
           76 one vote in Washington (state, not dc) was cast for Reagan.
           Take a look at the following page:
           http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/case/3pt/electoral.html
           The relavent part:

           "Most recently, in 1976, a Republican elector in the state
            of Washington cast his vote for Ronald Reagan instead of
            Gerald Ford, the Republican presidential candidate.
            Earlier, in 1972, a Republican elector in Virginia
            deserted Nixon to vote for the Libertarian party
            candidate.  And in 1968, Nixon lost another Virginia
            elector, who bolted to George Wallace. "
        \_ If you're hoping for (R) electors to switch votes, don't hold
           your breath... broken glass... broken glass.
2000/11/17 [Uncategorized] UID:19828 Activity:nil
11/16   I miss cowthink. Hmph.
2000/11/17 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:19829 Activity:nil
11/16   If the keys are integers, then bucketize each array (not even a
        full integer sort: just count the # occurences of each key).
        That's 2N. Then, just subtract the occurence buckets and populate
        C with the contents of the subtracto. Three passes through.
        If the contents are not integers, then do exactly the same thing
        but use a hash table to maintain key counts, instead of an array
        (and universal hashing is cool).
        (if the integer keys are sparse, use hash or sparse array, tossup
         which is faster)
        [trivia: the preceding is an answer to what lazy motders question?]
        [trivia: who conceived universal hashing]
2000/11/17 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:19830 Activity:nil 76%like:20034
11/16   How to reboot a windows 2000 machine (prob. same as nt) from a
        command line or script?
        \_ There's something in the resource kit that's probably
           better than all the free/shareware that's supposed to do this.
        \_ I have the NT4.0 resource kit with the reboot command in it.  I
           haven't tested it on my w2k box, but you're welcome to try.  I
           ask for 3 things: your email address so I can send the attachment,
           that you let me know if it works, and you don't give out my address
           to anyone.  I get enough spam.
2000/11/17 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19831 Activity:nil
11/16   If Gore wins, 30 states will succeed from the union
        \_ California shouldn't need this election as an excuse to cecede
           (yes it's "cecede" troll) from the union.  We have all the good
                        \_ Try "secede" you loser spelling-god wannabe.
           stuff.  Without the United States we would have the 6th (new
           figures?) largest economy in the WORLD.  Think about it.  It's a
           good plan.
        \_ Hi troll.  This is the dumbest thing posted on the motd in at least
           6 months.
                                     \_ I would hope all 50 would.
                                        \_ Bush supporters also tend
                                           to have the same level of
                                           vocabulary as Bush himself.
                                           \_ Typical leftist.  If you can't
                                              win, smear, smear, smear.  They
                                              \_ smear? You dumbshit. Everyone
                                                 knows Bush is a crack smoking
                                                 idiot. Even Republicans
                                                 know that. Even his dad. It
                                                 has nothing to do with who
                                                 wins this damn election. The
                                                 guy can't say an English
                                                 sentence without fucking up.
                                                 \_ So, the ends justifies the
                                                    means?  It's ok to steal
                                                    the election is the end
                                                    result is what you want?
                                                    Wow... how naive of me to
                                                    think The Will Of The
                                                    People still mattered....
                                                    \_ The Republicans stole
                                                       the election by hand
                                                       counting ballots in
                                                       Republican majority
                                                       counties then refusing
                                                       the Dems the same right.
                                              voted, Bush won.  They recounted,
                                              Bush won.  They're in court now,
                                              Bush is winning there, too.
                                              The recounts aren't _creating_
                                              enough new Gore votes to change
                                              anything.  Bush won.  The
                                              overseas votes are 5:3 (R)
                                              voters, Bush won.  Give it up.
                                              You've been in the Bay Area too
                                              long.  Even my coworkers who
                                              voted Gore are saying he lost
                                              and should give it up.
                                              \_ The Republicans stole the
                                                 election, not Gore.
                                              \_ Err ... I also think Gore
                                                 should give up, but that
                                                 doesn't mean I should like
                                                 Bush Jr., or have any
                                                 confidence in his vocabulary.
                                                 \_ This isn't about GPA's,
                                                    even though Bush's GPA
                                                    was higher.  It's about
                                                    stealing the election
                                                    through the courts with
                                                    PR blitz assistance from
                                                    the slanted press.
        \_ Then they will be rogue states.  Hope they can defend themselves.
        \_ good riddance
        \_ So if 30 succeed, will the other 20 (not incl PR and DC) fail?
        \_ I'd like Gore to take a road trip from East to West Coast.
           I dare him to try to find a path through Democratic States.
           He won't be able to without being forced to cross through
           Republican country (can't leave the U.S. borders, of course).
           \_ Who cares? They're a bunch of gun hugging hicks who marry
              their cousins.
                \_ We leftist call that "fly over country".  Driving is for
                   plebes.
        \_ This must be a troll. Republicans know better than to call for
           secession based on the results of an election; we value the laws
           of the land (unlike most democrats).
           \_they would cecede because this has become a nation of lawyers
             not laws. Al Gore can win an election by a judge and not law.
             So why note cecede and keep the constitution the way it was meant
             to be?
        \_ You people are all fucking pathetic.  This is almost-but-not-
           quite above the level of knuckle-dragging trash talking you get
           in an 8th grade pickup basketball game.  I'm ashamed to have
           graduated from the same educational system that spawned people
           as incapable of rational thought as yourselves.  And the worst
           of it is, you get to vote on my taxes.  Spite, contempt,
           vitriol.  -John
                \_ Hi John.  If they voted intelligently, they'd be lowering
                   your taxes.  Intelligently = can read a ballot and poke
                   1 hole per candidate.
                   \_ Is there more than 1 hole per candidate?
                        \_ In Florida, some morons voted once for Al Gore
                           and a second vote for that nice Joe fellow because
                           he's a nice boy, you know?
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