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| 2000/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Reference/Law/Court] UID:19785 Activity:very high |
11/15 I am typically not so blunt, but does anybody else think that the
Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris is a total bitch? She is
not even trying to pretend to be non-partisan. Which cabinet post or
ambassadorship has she been promised?
\_ so she should break the law to please Gore? all she is doing is
following the law put there to protect the will of the people and
preserve fairness.
\_ Yes. We need to ELECT GORE BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!
The law is irrelevant, only ELECTING GORE matters!
\_ Read the law you dipshit. Title 9, Chapter 102.166. It's very
clear about hand recounts being totally legal. They have followed
that law to the letter
Here you go _/
\_ reformatted in the interest of space. I
believe that its (2) that you want to read.
Gore is trying to break the LAW, and Ms. Harris
is trying to do her job (uphold the LAW). Last
I checked we were a nation of LAWS and no one
including GORE was ABOVE THE LAW.
\_ Uh, yes. Gore protested with the canvassing board
within 5 days of the election. So yes, Gore did
what he had to do. This says nothing about that
bitch having any right to try to stop the counts
like she did this morning. And I can't wait until
the Florida Supreme Court gets its hands on this
case firmly. They are all Democratically-appointed
judges. |
| 2000/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:19786 Activity:high |
11/15 Please read the text without ragging on the source. Dr. Laura had
the easiest to read (in terms of fonts, etc) copy of this quote:
http://drlaura.com/letters/index.html?mode=view&tile=1&id=115
Any opinions on this quote? Was Tyler full of shit? Where do you
think we stand on Tyler's timeline if he had it right?
\_ Tyler is full of B.S. True democracy in a country where the people
are 100% educated won't vote for more money. That happens in
the U.S., in Philipines, in Mexico, etc, where the average voter
has no clue of what's happening. We haven't even progressed to
true democracy yet, much less going on to bondage again.
\_ unless by "100% educated" you mean 100% brainwashed into your
or my particular ideology (and even the latter would be a high
price to pay for what wouldn't really be a democracy), you,
like most people, have an entirely irrational faith in
education. -crebbs
\_ You missed the point. "true democracies" dont last, you always
degenerate into the haves and the havenots, which then
accelerates like how the US is going now.
\_ Its a moot point, since the US is not and has never been
a true democracy. The US is a representative republic.
A true democracy is not much different than mob rule. A
simple majority often makes hasty and ill considered
choises. The founding fathers knew this and created a
system of government resistant to drastic changes that
can plague a democracy.
\- that quote does better on style than substance. the fall of athens
has a lot to do with the peloponessian war. See Thucydides and
Kagan IV: The Fall of the Athenian Empire. You know being invaded
genreation, that men intheir prime could not be found or
[by the macedonians] also didnt help. I dontthink we need to worry
about invasion. The point about populism is interesting. See the
rule on land reform legislation in Republic of Rome. --psb
\_ It's not across from France anymore? Where did they move it to?
\- here is an interesting quote from Kagan:
"It is revealing of the state of Athenian politics that
the Athenians believed they must seek such qualities
["prudent cautious, moderate leadership"] in an earlier
genreation, that men in their prime could not be found or
trusted to provide it.". --psb
\_ The U.K. wasnt "invaded" either, but it is no longer where
it once was
\_ It's not across from France anymore? Where did they move
it to?
\_ Thanks to the liberals who turned it into a socialist
welfare state.
\_ The British Empire fell long before that. Unless you
are calling Winston Churchill a liberal.
\_ It was still an empire into the early 50's, well
after Churchill was out of power.
\_ The British EMPIRE is anti-democratic. That's why it fell.
\_ Actually, it fell because it actually tried to be
somewhat nice to the people it conquered, rather than
ruling with an iron fist forever.
The last straw was of course the massive draining of
resources due to WWII.
\_ Yeah sure, massive draining of resources from the
colonies to the European front. When the Japanese
Imperial Army came with 30000 soldiers, the 80000 Brits
ran so fast down the Malayan peninsula, the Japanese
soldiers had to grab bicycles from the locals to
keep up with the retreating British (note
that the terrain in Malaysia is unsuitable for
armored vehicles).
\_ They will face a problem 10x worse than what the
French had when they persisted in their anti-
democratic ways in Algeria and IndoChina.
\_ Nice? Please explain in what ways the British were "nice"
conquerers. Taken a history class anytime in this life?
\_ yeah, thats a pretty fucking dumb thing for someone
to say. it's always hard to tell on the motd who is a troll
and who really is a moron. there are so many true morons
and so many really devoted trolls who have honed there
skills over the years and they both seem to like to post
to the motd. -troller
\_ The democracy/republic which is the United States will persist
as long as most people feel that the U.S. is the best country to
be a citizen of on this planet. It also persists on a common,
nation-wide feeling of what is right and wrong, what is fair and
not fair, and that honest, hard-working people can better
their situation in a reasonable way, in the face of all that
is wrong and not fair. Voting to give yourself money is
generally accepted as corrupt and embarrassing, unless you
have a good reason that other people will buy. For example,
most people will vote to give veterans money, but most people
will not vote to give only rich people tax breaks. People
may want to abolish taxes, but most people understand
this will upset the system and create a situation where
the U.S. is no longer a great place to live. Anyways, the
bottom line is that Tyler makes a lame, inflammatory college
frosh argument that you'd hear in section and from your
\_ Explain then, why every democracy in existence has
a higher tax rate now than it did 50 years ago? And higher
50 years ago than it was 100 years ago, (obviously you can
keep going with this).
\_ Interesting trend. Explanation not available. Opinion
unchanged. |
| 2000/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:19787 Activity:nil |
102.166 Protest of election returns; procedure.-- (1) Any candidate for nomination or election, or any elector qualified to vote in the election related to such candidacy, shall have the right to protest the returns of the election as being erroneous by filing with the appropriate canvassing board a sworn, written protest. (2) Such protest shall be filed with the canvassing board prior to the time the canvassing board certifies the results for the office being protested or within 5 days after midnight of the date the election is held, whichever occurs later. (3) Before canvassing the returns of the election, the canvassing board shall: (a) When paper ballots are used, examine the tabulation of the paper ballots cast. (b) When voting machines are used, examine the counters on the machines of nonprinter machines or the printer-pac on printer machines. If there is a discrepancy between the returns and the counters of the machines or the printer-pac, the counters of such machines or the printer-pac shall be presumed correct. (c) When electronic or electromechanical equipment is used, the canvassing board shall examine precinct records and election returns. If there is a clerical error, such error shall be corrected by the county canvassing board. If there is a discrepancy which could affect the outcome of an election, the canvassing board may recount the ballots on the automatic tabulating equipment. (4)(a) Any candidate whose name appeared on the ballot, any political committee that supports or opposes an issue which appeared on the ballot, or any political party whose candidates' names appeared on the ballot may file a written request with the county canvassing board for a manual recount. The written request shall contain a statement of the reason the manual recount is being requested. (b) Such request must be filed with the canvassing board prior to the time the canvassing board certifies the results for the office being protested or within 72 hours after midnight of the date the election was held, whichever occurs later. (c) The county canvassing board may authorize a manual recount. If a manual recount is authorized, the county canvassing board shall make a reasonable effort to notify each candidate whose race is being recounted of the time and place of such recount. (d) The manual recount must include at least three precincts and at least 1 percent of the total votes cast for such candidate or issue. In the event there are less than three precincts involved in the election, all precincts shall be counted. The person who requested the recount shall choose three precincts to be recounted, and, if other precincts are recounted, the county canvassing board shall select the additional precincts. (5) If the manual recount indicates an error in the vote tabulation which could affect the outcome of the election, the county canvassing board shall: (a) Correct the error and recount the remaining precincts with the vote tabulation system; (b) Request the Department of State to verify the tabulation software; or (c) Manually recount all ballots. (6) Any manual recount shall be open to the public. (7) Procedures for a manual recount are as follows: (a) The county canvassing board shall appoint as many counting teams of at least two electors as is necessary to manually recount the ballots. A counting team must have, when possible, members of at least two political parties. A candidate involved in the race shall not be a member of the counting team. (b) If a counting team is unable to determine a voter's intent in casting a ballot, the ballot shall be presented to the county canvassing board for it to determine the voter's intent. (8) If the county canvassing board determines the need to verify the tabulation software, the county canvassing board shall request in writing that the Department of State verify the software. (9) When the Department of State verifies such software, the department shall: (a) Compare the software used to tabulate the votes with the software filed with the Department of State pursuant to s. 101.5607; and (b) Check the election parameters. (10) The Department of State shall respond to the county canvassing board within 3 working days. |
| 2000/11/16-2001/2/2 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:19788 Activity:nil |
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| 2000/11/16-19 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:19789 Activity:nil 63%like:19855 |
11/16 Thanks to AMD for donating Soda Mark VI, an Athlon/700 with
768M memory. |
| 2000/11/16-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:19790 Activity:nil 72%like:19764 66%like:19915 |
**/** Politburo Meetings 5-6pm, 1st & 3rd Tuesdays, 337 Soda Hall
The next CSUA meeting, 21 Nov 2000, is a GENERAL MEETING. |
| 2000/11/16-17 [Uncategorized] UID:19791 Activity:high |
11/16 "The Sixth Cumming",
Grinding and screeching in the mechanism
The wallers cannot read the walls;
Things fall apart; the drives cannot hold;
Mail anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The e-filled tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of internet is grown;
The new lack all conviction, while the old
Are full of passionate insanity.
Surely a revolution is at hand;
Surely the Sixth Coming is at hand.
The Sixth Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Corporate Abyss
Troubles my sight: somewhere in halls of AMD
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
His gaze bright and intense as the sun,
Is bearing the great prize, while all about him
Reel shadows of the enamored undergrads.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That two long years of duty done
Are passed to nightmare by the laws of Moore,
And what machine, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards 340 to be born?
-- Phillip "The Bloody Awful Poet" Nunez
\_ For real?
\_ How dare you doubt. Phillip for President. -John |
| 2000/11/16-17 [Uncategorized] UID:19792 Activity:low |
11/16 Props to all the rootstaff who helped with MkVI. Thanks.
\_ thanks mconst, mikeh, nevman, jon and brg especially.
\_ and peterm and dbushong |
| 2000/11/16-17 [Recreation/Computer] UID:19793 Activity:high |
11/16 Are we having fun yet?
\_ Welcome to the desert of the real.
\_ Hi Paolo!
\_ When Gore stops trying to steal the election, sure.
\_ Can we not have anymore political bullshit below?
\_ Yes.
\_ No.
\_ Maybe.
\_ I don't know. |
| 2000/11/16-17 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:19794 Activity:insanely high |
11/16 the new soda rocks! good job to all who contributed.
\_ Cool! So what's the difference btwn old & new?
\_ OLD: http://www.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU/computing/hardware/soda-mark-v.html
NEW: http://www.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU/computing/hardware/soda-mark-vi.html
\_ The linke to AMD on the new page is broken.
\_ Fixed, thanks.
\_ Do we still have the lottery scheduler?
\_ I think not. It didn't get ported to new kernel. --PeterM
\_ How hard would that be? I have some
free time coming up.
\_ I don't think it's necessary. Soda seems to be doing fine
without the lottery scheduler.
\_ Is there a BSD equivalent to "psrinfo" and/or mpstat?
\_ Have a look at the CPU and memory lines in /var/run/dmesg.boot.
\_ Do we still have to worry about /var/mail hitting capacity
as frequently?
/dev/da3s1e 8617749 1104247 6824083 14% /var/mail
\_ you decide.
\_ ummm, yes?
\_ Let's vote on it!
\_ Only if stupid people get to vote 5 times.
\_ With about 2500 users and 10 GB, people should still
limit themselves to 4MB.
\_ how about a /usr/contrib setup?
\_ Very well done. Thanks a lot for the time and effort, guys. -John |
| 2000/11/16 [Politics/Foreign] UID:19795 Activity:nil |
11/16 Sobering opinion from http://law.com: <DEAD>206.245.152.43/cgi-shl/shownews.pl?id=6471<DEAD> |
| 2000/11/16 [Uncategorized] UID:19796 Activity:nil |
11/16 FL Attorney General oversteps bounds:
http://www.news-journalonline.com/2000/Nov/16/POL1.htm |
| 2000/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:19797 Activity:nil |
11/16 Foxnews reports Broward has recounted 45 of 600 precints. Gore+7.
It's over. Math only gets just so fuzzy....
\_ Don't have cable, is it gore ahead by 7 or gore got 7 more
votes?
\_ Gore gained an additional 7. Gore still down overall. |
| 2000/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19798 Activity:nil |
11/16 http://Salon.com still living in fantasy land: http://salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/16/flunk/print.html \_ Salon is always in fantasy land. The only redeeming quality, is that this bs doesn't masquerade a front page news like it does ny times. |
| 2000/11/16 [Uncategorized] UID:19799 Activity:nil |
11/16 Nation opposes recounts. Will of the People is to let it stand.
http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/today/news_8.html
--Palm Beach Post. |
| 2000/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:19800 Activity:nil |
11/16 WPB officials deny request for hand recount: In the 1984 Palm Beach election, more than 310,000 ballots were cast. The margin between two County Commission candidates was 242 votes. The loser in that race and in others on the ballot protested, among other things, the hanging chad problem. Officials denied a request for a hand recount. http://www.herald.com/content/archive/news/elect2000/decision/035445.htm |
| 2000/11/16 [Consumer/PDA] UID:19801 Activity:nil |
11/16 Democrat hauling ballot punching machinery around in his car: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/florida_votamatic_001115.html Gets caught by police. LePore decides not to press charges due to 'extenuating circumstances'. 11/16 GORE'S PALM BEACH POKEY: You put your stylus in, You put your stylus out, You put your stylus in, And you punch Buchanan out. You do the Palm Beach Pokey And you turn the count around, That's what it's all about! You put the Gore votes in, You put the Bush votes out, You put the Gore votes in, And you do another count. You do the Palm Beach Pokey And you turn the count around, That's what it's all about! You bring your lawyers in, You drag the whole thing out, You bring your lawyers in, And you put it all in doubt. You do the Palm Beach Pokey And you turn the count around, That's what it's all about! You let your doctors spin, You let the pundits spout, You let your retirees sue, And your people whine and pout. You do the Palm Beach Pokey And you turn the count around, That's what it's all about! You do the Palm Beach Pokey, You do the Palm Beach Pokey, You do the Palm Beach Pokey, That's what it's all about! |
| 2000/11/16 [Uncategorized] UID:19802 Activity:nil |
11/16 Plonk. |
| 2000/11/16 [Uncategorized] UID:19803 Activity:nil |
11/16 Where did inews move to? |
| 2000/11/16-19 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:19804 Activity:nil |
11/16 Why does the new sshd reject cipher type IDEA on Mk6?
\_ because the new sshd does not support IDEA.
\_ Why not?
\_ Is it possible to build openssh with IDEA support?
\_ Probably because IDEA is patent encumbered, where 3DES and
Blowfish (and twofish, and rijndael, etc) are not. |
| 2000/11/16-17 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:19805 Activity:high 50%like:19535 |
11/16 Wow, a non political motd.
\_ hey, it's 270 GB of disk coupled with 768 MB of RAM. If
anything's more exciting than politics it's that.
\_ Actually, it's "only" 180 GB of disk. I should fix the webpage.
\_ Oh, is that it? Well, anything below 200 GB doesn't
deserve my attention.
\_ Great, more for the rest of us. |
| 2000/11/16-17 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Languages/Functional] UID:19806 Activity:high |
11/16 I have two arrays a1 and a2 and I need to create an array a3
that contains all the elements in a2 that are not in a1. I'm
doing this by removing elements in a2 that are in a1, but this
is an operation of nm complexity (where n is number of elems in
a1 and m is number of elems in a2), is there a better way to
do this? - not a cs geek
\_ are the arrays sorted? can they be? (becomes (m+n) lg m problem)
\_ I could sort the arrays, but the contents are
strings, so I'm not sure what difference it
would make.
\_ This is a O(size(a1) + size(a2)) operation.
Create a hashtable. Go through a1, and hash the elements. Now go
through a2, and insert an element into a3 if it is not in the
hashtable. This is an entry level coder interview question. -- ilyas
\_ I see. Thanks.
\_ can you give me an example of a suitable hash function? Thx.
\_ google. Here is the first result of my search:
http://burtleburtle.net/bob/hash/doobs.html
\_ this is confusing. can you give me a clear example,
pls? Thanks.
\_ Train harder, grasshopper.
\_ Someone said this was an interview question.
Is there a simple enough solution that you
can write out for the interview?
\_ There is, but I will not write it out for you.
Firstly, because most interviewers are interested
in an algorithm, not an implementation, and
secondly because you are lazy, and I have no
desire to do your work for you
\_ I'm still confused as to why hashing
is the solution. What if your
array values were int's? Is hashing
still better? By the way, you need to
be less presumptuous, among other things.
\_ I don't think I am presumptuous. I think
I am being very polite, patient and helpful.
You, on the other hand, are acting like an
immature, impatient, ungrateful, lazy prick.
For your information, one can come up with
'reasonable' hashing functions for arbitrary
data structures (java does something like
that).
\_ You're getting free advice, you should
be thankful you've gotten this much
information. -someone else
\_ There is something wrong with you.
Do not think because you give
free advice that you can be
an asshole at the same time.
\_ yer the asshole who said I was
presumptuous. -someone else #2
\_ I hate ungrateful dumbasses who think that
people owe him an answer.
\_ The answer is on the WWW. Look it up.
\_ found it on google. Its in the perlfaq.
\_
(defun find-common (a1 a2)
(mapcar (lambda (elm1) (setf (symbol-plist elm1)
(cons 'marked (symbol-plist elm1))))
a1)
(prog1
(mapcan (lambda (elm2)
(if (eq (car (symbol-plist elm2)) 'marked)
(list elm2)))
a2)
(mapcar (lambda (elm1) (setf (symbol-plist elm1)
(cdr (symbol-plist elm1))))
a1)
)) |
| 2000/11/16 [Uncategorized] UID:19807 Activity:nil |
11/16 Any reason why http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/.../somedir doesn't check for somedir/index.shtml? \_ probably a one line fix in apache configuration, bug root |
| 2000/11/16-17 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:19808 Activity:moderate |
11/16 Do we want to copy over the old ssh host key? Or is it a feature?
\_ The host key has not changed. ssh has. We're now using OpenSSH.
\_ Oh course the host key has been changed. Otherwise I
wouldn't get this when trying to login:
\_ Due to a bug, old ssh created a 1023bit key instead of
a 1024 bit key. It advertized it as 1024bits. OpenSSH
tells the truth that it's 1023, which makes your ssh
client unhappy.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
@ WARNING: HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
\_ ooh!
Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
.....
\_ you can fix this by editing your ~/.ssh/known_hosts file. next to
the csua key, change the length from 1024 to 1023. |
| 2000/11/16-19 [Uncategorized] UID:19809 Activity:nil 63%like:19854 53%like:20503 |
11/16 Mail bug reports to staff@csua. Complaints on wall/motd
will be ignored. |
| 2000/11/16-17 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:19810 Activity:high |
11/16 Anybody know (for certain) of a retail store in the Bay Area
that has Thinkpad T20s on display? The usual places (Fry's,
CompUSA, BestBuy, etc) don't carry them, and IBM's Dealer
Locator doesn't turn up any retailers. --vchang
\_ not for certain, but the Stanford bookstore has some
Thinkpads on display last time I checked ... |
| 2000/11/16 [Uncategorized] UID:19811 Activity:nil |
11/16 When geeks are presented with a new toy, politics becomes boring. |
| 3/15 |