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 2000/11/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19736 Activity:high ```11/11 1% of votes counted in Palm Beach = +19 votes That whiny little Bush is going to shit his pants once he does some "fuzzy math": 19 * 100 == ~1900 votes Let's face it, the machines are very bad at counting and are the only things supporting Bush. Gore has the true will of the people. \_ Uhm, ok, let's do some more math. That was a county that voted Democratic-dominated ones. roughly 90% Gore, 10% Bush. Roughly 9:1. Why is it that about 1/3rd of the fucked up ballots went to Bush instead of Gore? More first round vote fraud from the Democrats? Why did a recount produce 3x as many as it should have statistically? And while we're at it, let's try recounting a few heavily Republican counties.... The only fair way to do this is either accept the first machine recount that was done by the machines or recount the whole friggin state by hand. You can't clean up only some of your data and expect to get a valid result. You get a _less_ valid result. I shouldn't have to explain this to a Cal student.... \_ Dude, get yer shit together. First off, Palm Beach voted 62% Gore, 36% Bush (courtesy of http://CNN.com, data taken from first count to get a feel for the percentages). I'll generalize that Gore got 2 votes to every 1 vote Bush got in Palm Beach. Now let's look at the new votes they got. Gore got 33, Bush got 14. Hmm, wow, it looks like it's about a 2 to 1 ratio again. Oh wow. So in general, we should see just as many non-counted ballots by the machines. To me, as a Cal student, makes a lot of sense. As for the entire state recounting by hand, I say GO FOR IT! Of course the Republicans realize that such a recount could (I say could, not would) make them lose, so they are scared of such a notion. And yes, the votes will even out if the entire state was counted. But I have a hunch that more Democrats are less likely to punch the holes cleanly and make sure the chad drops. Let's face it, Republicans are typically a bit more in tune to such technical things, and are also typically a cleaner and tidier group of people. Yes, that's a stereotype, but hey, that's all elections ever come down to anyway. So go suck it with this "_less_ valid result" bullshit. I want accuracy, not politics. -phale, the original poster who finds himself forgetting to clean up all of the chad he leaves behind \_ They should do a recount in every county then, not just the Democrat-dominated ones. \_ Yes, that would be the fair thing to do \_ Not everyone wants to get gored. \_ Good point. Whereas everybody loves to get a little bush. \_ I personally don't want to get dick \_ I uhm, want, uh... GO GREEN! -N'04! \_ PB County is actaully about 2:1 Gore. http://www.pbcelections.org \_ Correct. The precincts they chose to reinterpret were 90:10.```
 2000/11/12-13 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:19737 Activity:kinda low ```11/11 For those simple minded enough to want to abolish the EC, please read: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60939-2000Nov1.html \_ so what? "The Electoral College has evolved, shaping and being shaped by the two-party system, which probably would not survive abandonment of winner-take-all allocation of electoral votes." = another good reason to scrap it. \_ Ever live in a country with a bunch of small parties? Selling support is big business. It *always* works against the interest of the people. \_ Like Italy, for example. Now there's a country with lots of little parties you don't want emulated here. Stability is more important than getting to pick from 1 of 50 tiny parties that screw up the country. Think *this* country is screwed up? Think the Demos and Repubs are bad? Go check out any of the counties that don't have entrenched two party systems. You'll be deeply awed at the wisdom of "The Founding Fathers". \_ you mean madison && co. Tommy J would have gatted Jimmy on the spot if he had found out about the EC. Anyway it's important to note that at one point in time there was the Democratic-Republican party - they weren't 2 parties until the Rad Repubs.```
 2000/11/12 [Uncategorized] UID:19738 Activity:nil 66%like:19742 `11/11 what's up with ucsee.eecs? Partha?`
 2000/11/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:19739 Activity:insanely high ```11/12 The paragraph third from the bottom is my favorite. They've certified 800 more votes countywide in WPB than the precint by precint number reported from election night. Not only are the dead voting, they're voting a bit late this year in WPB. http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=65000590 \_ Do you actually understand the failure rates of mechanical punch-vote systems? A second revote, in a pure mechanical- system, will certify more votes. A hand recound will get even more. \_ You you understand no one from any party was claiming any sort of mechanical failure? Did you see Lepore this morning make it \_ Do you understand no one from any party was claiming any sort of mechanical failure? Did you see LePore this morning make it clear this was voter error and not in any way machine error? LePore is the Democrat who designed the ballot and one of the 3 Democrats on the WPB board that voted to do a full hand recount. Recount the whole state or none of it. Shit happens everywhere. \_ I think the democrats would be quite happy to recount the whole state. It's clear that there's a mechanical error; two mechanical counts arrived at significantly different numbers, and then a test count by hand found even more of a discrepancy. That's separate from the ballot design issue. -tom \_ That depends on what your definition of "significant" is. Or was that "is is"? I have trouble keeping up. And of course a partisan committee found "even more of a discrepancy". The Dems know exactly how many more votes they need to steal to rob the election. I'm still bitter that Gore stole my man's votes. -N'04!```
 2000/11/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:19740 Activity:nil ```11/12 I love little ditties like this one: http://www.newsmax.com/commentmax/articles/Richard_Poe.shtml```
 2000/11/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19741 Activity:nil ```11/12 So I did some 4 function math on the remaining absentee ballots nationwide and calculated, roughly, the percent going to each candidate. 53% Bush, 47% Gore. With about 920k remaining, at the current 53/47 split, this will tilt the popular vote to Bush if the split remains consistent for rest of the absentees.... So, this brings to mind a question: 1: Do any of you think this will pull the wind from Gore's sails and crush his Florida hopes or will he continue on with more selective hand recounts in an effort to scrounge up a few more FL votes and win via the EC without the popular vote?```
 2000/11/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:19742 Activity:nil 66%like:19738 ```11/11 what's up with ucsee.eecs? \_ It was accidentally switched off. It is back on now.```
 2000/11/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:19743 Activity:high ```11/12 Oh my god, to do anything other than a fourth degree hyperbolic integration of the third moment would be absurd!! Absurd!! \_ thank you ali \_ not me. i don't even know what this bozo is babbling about. -ali```
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