11/11   1% of votes counted in Palm Beach = +19 votes
        That whiny little Bush is going to shit his pants once he does some
        "fuzzy math":

                19 * 100 == ~1900 votes

        Let's face it, the machines are very bad at counting and are the only
        things supporting Bush.  Gore has the true will of the people.
        \_ Uhm, ok, let's do some more math.  That was a county that voted
           Democratic-dominated ones.
           roughly 90% Gore, 10% Bush.  Roughly 9:1.  Why is it that about
           1/3rd of the fucked up ballots went to Bush instead of Gore?  More
           first round vote fraud from the Democrats?  Why did a recount
           produce 3x as many as it should have statistically?  And while we're
           at it, let's try recounting a few heavily Republican counties....
           The only fair way to do this is either accept the first machine
           recount that was done by the machines or recount the whole friggin
           state by hand.  You can't clean up only some of your data and
           expect to get a valid result.  You get a _less_ valid result.  I
           shouldn't have to explain this to a Cal student....
           \_ Dude, get yer shit together.  First off, Palm Beach voted
              62% Gore, 36% Bush (courtesy of http://CNN.com, data taken from first
              count to get a feel for the percentages).  I'll generalize that
              Gore got 2 votes to every 1 vote Bush got in Palm Beach.  Now
              let's look at the new votes they got.  Gore got 33, Bush got 14.
              Hmm, wow, it looks like it's about a 2 to 1 ratio again.  Oh wow.
              So in general, we should see just as many non-counted ballots by
              the machines.  To me, as a Cal student, makes a lot of sense.
              As for the entire state recounting by hand, I say GO FOR IT!  Of
              course the Republicans realize that such a recount could (I say
              could, not would) make them lose, so they are scared of such a
              notion.  And yes, the votes will even out if the entire state was
              counted.  But I have a hunch that more Democrats are less likely
              to punch the holes cleanly and make sure the chad drops.  Let's
              face it, Republicans are typically a bit more in tune to such
              technical things, and are also typically a cleaner and tidier
              group of people.  Yes, that's a stereotype, but hey, that's all
              elections ever come down to anyway.  So go suck it with this
              "_less_ valid result" bullshit.  I want accuracy, not politics.
                -phale, the original poster who finds himself forgetting to
                clean up all of the chad he leaves behind
        \_ They should do a recount in every county then, not just the
           Democrat-dominated ones.
           \_ Yes, that would be the fair thing to do
        \_ Not everyone wants to get gored.
           \_  Good point.  Whereas everybody loves to get a little bush.
               \_ I personally don't want to get dick
                        \_ I uhm, want, uh... GO GREEN!  -N'04!
        \_ PB County is actaully about 2:1 Gore. http://www.pbcelections.org
                \_ Correct.  The precincts they chose to reinterpret
                   were 90:10.

11/11   For those simple minded enough to want to abolish the EC, please
        read:

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60939-2000Nov1.html
        \_ so what?
           "The Electoral College has evolved, shaping and being shaped by the
            two-party system, which probably would not survive abandonment of
            winner-take-all allocation of electoral votes."
            = another good reason to scrap it.
            \_ Ever live in a country with a bunch of small parties?
               Selling support is big business. It *always* works against
               the interest of the people.
            \_ Like Italy, for example.  Now there's a country with lots of
               little parties you don't want emulated here.  Stability is more
               important than getting to pick from 1 of 50 tiny parties that
               screw up the country.  Think *this* country is screwed up?
               Think the Demos and Repubs are bad?  Go check out any of the
               counties that don't have entrenched two party systems.  You'll
               be deeply awed at the wisdom of "The Founding Fathers".
            \_ you mean madison && co. Tommy J would have gatted Jimmy  on
               the spot if he had found out about the EC.  Anyway it's
               important to note that at one point in time there was the
               Democratic-Republican party - they weren't 2 parties until the
               Rad Repubs.

11/11   what's up with ucsee.eecs? Partha?

11/12   The paragraph third from the bottom is my favorite.  They've
        certified 800 more votes countywide in WPB than the precint by
        precint number reported from election night.  Not only are the
        dead voting, they're voting a bit late this year in WPB.
        http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=65000590
        \_ Do you actually understand the failure rates of mechanical
           punch-vote systems?  A second revote, in a pure mechanical-
           system, will certify more votes.  A hand recound will get
           even more.
           \_ You you understand no one from any party was claiming any sort
              of mechanical failure?  Did you see Lepore this morning make it
           \_ Do you understand no one from any party was claiming any sort
              of mechanical failure?  Did you see LePore this morning make it
              clear this was voter error and not in any way machine error?
              LePore is the Democrat who designed the ballot and one of the 3
              Democrats on the WPB board that voted to do a full hand recount.
              Recount the whole state or none of it.  Shit happens everywhere.
                \_ I think the democrats would be quite happy to recount the
                   whole state.  It's clear that there's a mechanical error;
                   two mechanical counts arrived at significantly different
                   numbers, and then a test count by hand found even more of a
                   discrepancy.  That's separate from the ballot design issue.
                   -tom
                   \_ That depends on what your definition of "significant" is.
                      Or was that "is is"?  I have trouble keeping up.  And of
                      course a partisan committee found "even more of a
                      discrepancy".  The Dems know exactly how many more votes
                      they need to steal to rob the election.  I'm still bitter
                      that Gore stole my man's votes.  -N'04!

11/12   I love little ditties like this one:
        http://www.newsmax.com/commentmax/articles/Richard_Poe.shtml

11/12   So I did some 4 function math on the remaining absentee ballots
        nationwide and calculated, roughly, the percent going to each
        candidate.  53% Bush, 47% Gore.  With about 920k remaining, at
        the current 53/47 split, this will tilt the popular vote to Bush if
        the split remains consistent for rest of the absentees....
        So, this brings to mind a question:
        1: Do any of you think this will pull the wind from Gore's sails and
           crush his Florida hopes or will he continue on with more selective
           hand recounts in an effort to scrounge up a few more FL votes and
           win via the EC without the popular vote?

11/11   what's up with ucsee.eecs?
        \_ It was accidentally switched off.  It is back on now.

11/12   Oh my god, to do anything other than a fourth degree hyperbolic
        integration of the third moment would be absurd!! Absurd!!
        \_ thank you ali
          \_ not me. i don't even know what this bozo is babbling about. -ali