11/6    Think about it.
        \ why?
          \_ why not?
             \_ why ask why?
                \_ why ask why ask why?
                \_ Where's the Beef?  Where's the Beef?
        \_ I'd rather vote for Bush.
           \_ see archives about being kicked in the nuts.
              \_ We have archives?  Where?
                 \_ /tmp/nut-kicking-for-goodness.txt
        \_ damn you censoring nazi bastards
        \_ let me guess, you're a Feinstein supporter

11/6    what's our smtp server name?  i can't seem to send mail from
        OutlookExpress.
        \_ http://csua.berkeley.edu
           No relaying outside http://berkeley.edu (ISP dial-ups/DSL for instance)
        \_ <DEAD>outlook.ms.berkeley.edu<DEAD>
           \_ how horrible!

11/6    http://Yahoo.com deemed Dianne Feinstein the Senator most likely to
        censor the internet.
        \_ why?
           \_ why not?
              \_ my cat ate a bird and then puked it up on my bed
        \_ where on Yahoo!?
        \_ Cuz she's a nut. She has a concealed carry weapons license
           and tries to take it away from everyone else. She has no clue
           about guns and has done a great job in making sure the criminals
           are the only ones with guns.
        \_ She already tried - she's introduced bills to ban sites that
                provide instructions on making bombs and upgrading
                non-automatic weapons to full automatics.

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11/6    The Simpson's area code is 636. Springfield, Missouri.
        \_ How many Simpsons characters do you see here? (some off the map too)
           http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&newFL=Use+Address+Below&addr=flanders&csz=portland%2C+or&country=us&Get%A0Map=Get+Map
        \_ really?  they gave that out in an episode?  i dont think thats
           \_ The whole episode last night was about the area code...
              So yes, they did give it out in an episode, and not subtly
              either.
           the whole story.  i wa;lways got the impression they
           were in new england, since they were able to easily drive
           to new york city for a weekend. also there were some references to
           certain east coast schools that seemed like they were not so far
           from springfield. also there is no indication in the show of
           sourthern weather....i dont buy it.  it's a trick by groening
           to throw avid viewers off.
           \_ Missouri is considered more Midwest than South.
              \_ you're dumb.
                  \_ yes, very dumb. your punishement for this crime is
                     to live in st. louis until you realize how fucking
                     ass-backwards southern it is, and beg to return
                     to the real world.  Missouri was part of the confederacy,
                     and if you spend any time there you will understand
                     that it sucks ass.
           \_ Throw avid viewers off what?  Trying to find "the real hometown"
           \_ Groening has said before that Springfield is a generic suburb,
                the name chosen simply because there are so many Springfields..
                maybe the area code was just sloppy writing.
        \_ someone once told me he was making fun of Springfield, Oregon..
           Since he went to UO and nearby Springfield is pretty bass
           ackwards.
        \_ http://www.snpp.com has a whole dissertation on Springfield
           (scroll halfway down the FAQ section)
      \_ no he didn't, he went to Evergreen in Olympia, WA

11/6    I've heard that RedHat has an automated update agent similar
        to Debian.  Is the RH update agent free?  If so where do I
        get it.  If it isn't free, how much does it cost?  Thanks.
        \_ Why do you want to pay for Red Hat's service when you're familiar
           with Debian's?  I also have the impression that RHSN just applies
           updates that RedHat issues to fix bugs/holes... I don't think it
           does anything like what apt does under Debian (which keeps all
           packages up to date whether broken or not, among other things).  Is
           that true?
        \_ The agent is free but the subscription service is not.
                \_ well no DUH! Internet is free, but the subscription isn't
                   Cable TV is free, but the subscription isn't
                        \_ Not even close
                   Telephone is free, but the subscription isn't
                        \_ Only for cell phones
                   Berkeley is free, but the tuition isn't.
                        \_ Tuition is free at Berkeley for in-state students.
                           What you pay are "non-tuition campus fees".
                   Stupid oxymoron
                        \_ tom that you?

11/6    <DEAD>joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$51<DEAD>
        \_ point?
        \_ Good read.  -!og

11/6    Wedding gift ideas under $200. Unique but not weird. Help?
        \_ Race of the couple? White? Asian? Mixed? Whitewashed Asian?
                \_ White, East Coastian
                      \_ uh-oh, picky white people. NG.
                      \_ Is that New Englander, New Yorker, Mid-Atlantic
                         or what?
        \_ if they have a registry, just look at the registry.
           (yes, it is not unique, but at least they get what they asked for)
        \_ The most annoying gifts are the "unique but not weird" gifts.
           Why would you do this?
           \_ I agree.  Just buy something off their registry.
              You're helping the newlywed couple to start off their lives
              with some gifts of necessity, not some gift that may amuse
              you.
                \_ The registry is really only for people who don't know the
                   couple well.  If you're close, you should buy them
                   something real.  -tom
                   \_ though it helps to keep the couple from receving three
                      KitchenAid Mixers. --Jon
        \_ Go to Gump's.  Or get them a gift certificate to a day spa.
                \_ Thanks. This seems to have what I was after.
                   \_ you're welcome. i have had some good luck there
                      finding unusual but tasteful gifts. --chris
        \_ Cash, the Asian way. Asians HATE gifts, they know gifts are cheap
           (you know, vase, glassware, etc)
                \- by "asian" do you mean chinese/oriental? indians prefer
                gold. --psb
                    \_ Speak for yourself. Indians prefer cash, gold is
                       not sufficiently convertible.
                   \_ oriental is not PC when referring to people. It's just
                      as bad as using Asian. (South)East Asian is more proper.
                   \_ Yes, give GOLD for their wedding.
                   \_ If Asian, you must give 18K gold, otherwise it's
                      just as bad.
                      \_ 18K gold will get you spit on. 22K or higher
                         only.
                         \_ 22K weights a tons and are two soft.
                            \_ 18K is to impure to use as a convertible
                               currency in most asian countries, which
                               is why 22K or higher is prefered.

11.6    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/110600/wearable.sml

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