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| 2000/10/27 [Reference/Military] UID:19577 Activity:nil |
10/26 Replying to peace-loving caste member who love gun freedom:
\_ I don't buy that having
guns available would make
a difference in controlling
government abuses in a
established democracy
like the US, with a
mature system of checks
and balances and a free
press.
\_ Except the press is bought
off and biased. People
are people. Nothing
magical about the press.
As for carrying out the
laws and controlling
crimes, that's what
governments are for, or
would you rather have
mob justice and blood
revenges like they have
Azerbajian or some other
3rd world hell hole?
\_ Governments don't always
"get it right".
As a matter of fact, I do
not believe in banning
guns totally in the US.
I believe that, given the
wide availability of guns,
people should have the
choice to have a gun for
personal protection.
\_ "As a matter of fact, I
do not believe in banning
murder totally in the US.
I believe that, given the
high murder rate, people
should have the choice to
murder or not."
But if you believe that
having guns available to
the general populace have
helped reduce crime or
helped curb government
abuses, I think you are
very much misguided.
\_ URL, please. Don't put
your opinion as fact on
the motd without a URL
to back up your statements.
It only annoys people who
are intelligent and want
a discussion rather than
a rant.
In short, having a gun
may be beneficial to
an individual in
specific circumstances,
but the wide spread
availability of guns
has been detrimental
to the US populace in
general.
\_ So a good thing for one
person becomes a bad thing
when many individuals
benefit from that same
thing? Hello?
Given the above, I
think it is right
to call for tougher
gun laws, but not to
ban it altogether.
\_ Tougher gun laws? Like?
This is the phrase a lot
of the gun ban lobby use
to cover the writing of
laws which chip away at
the 2nd amendment until
there's isn't one.
\_
Registering guns annually (or some reasonable time period). Penalty
and responsibility if gun registered under you is stolen or used to
commit a crime. |
| 2000/10/27-28 [Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:19578 Activity:very high |
10/26 Ugh, got a closed book closed notes exam, but I can bring ONE
sheet of double side notes. Does that mean I can bring any sheet,
like a 20"X16" double sided sheet? I'm not trolling.
\_ bring this: http://www.casting-couch.com/tour/0036-11/images/010.jpg
\_ Actually, it means that you should go to crate and barrel and
purchase a large roll of butcher paper and xerox the entire
book onto it and then bring it with you. DUH!
\_ Microfiche.
\_ hand-written? Or can you type it up and use abbreviations and
then use a Xerox machine to reduce it? That's what I did for
my poli-sci class. They gave the 8 essay questions beforehand
and said 5 of these will be on the exam and you get to choose
any 3 of them to answer. But can bring one 8.5x11" piece of paper.
I prepared all my answers before the exam and spent the entire
exam just copying text into my bluebook. Filled up the entire
bluebook plus the back inside cover.
\_ but in reality, how many of you used those sheets? Maybe
all you needed was the comfort in having that sheet, and the
trouble not having to memorize a few number of formulas.
\_ there's only one occasion when bringing that piece of
crap actually helped me. on my two physics 7b midterms,
it just so happened that the exact example of a refraction
problem copied out of a schaum's outline was on the test,
(except for the numbers of course), and on another, the
I had the equation for some Hydrogen quantum bs equation
on my cheat. it was awesome b/c I way above mean on both,
beating out the nerds who usually kicked my ass on exams.
unfortunately, i got totally fucked on my final, but
the glory was fun while it lasted. nothing like a good ego
boost during the dark physics 7 series days. you should
always go for closed book since the effort to
memorize stuff is minimal, prevents from getting totally
trashed on an open-book which is supposed to be "easy."
\_ Open book can be easier depending on the prof. Olander,
in NE and Komvopolus (sp?), Pruitt in ME, Gronsky,
tested, make it close book. This one or two pages only stuff
Weber in MSE gave open book exams that were pretty
easy. Their exams would have been next to impossible
had they been closed book since there was always too
much to memorize. ----ranga
\_ I usually found that creating the "cheat" sheet helped me
more than the actual cheat sheet. Though in some ME classes
the formulas came in handy. ----ranga
\_ These are my favorite exam rules. No having to book-flip to
search for stuff, and no memorizing of stupid formulae. Just
put down the key stuff in the class which let you figure anything
else out and don't worry. --PeterM
\_ The other one (which I personally like) is having created
or extracted a good 1-2 page appendix (EG, the back inside
cover of P&H for 61c), which is included with the exam.
A little more work in some respects, but very useful for
the students without the chaos of an open book test. -nweaver
\_ This is my absolute LEAST favorite exam rules. Look, if you want
to make a hard exam testing concepts, gimme open book/open notes
and I'll bookmark pages, mark-up lecture notes, whatever. If you
want to give an easier exam where some memorization is being
tested, make it closed book. This one or two pages only stuff
just turns the whole thing into some game where people try and
cram as much onto one sheet as possible... and the prof thinks
he can ask open-book-type questions because "you should have
written that important fact down." Grrr... I hate them.
\_ the other option which i liked better were the classes
that gave everyone the same cheat sheet attached to the
exam. why make people memorize a ton of equations and
why be unfair about cheat sheets? everybody knows ahead
of time what they'll be provided with and everybody has
access to all the same info during the exam...
\_ I agree. I refused to play the game and brought in 2 pages
of notes with huge handwriting. When the TA gave me trouble,
I told him to compare the number of bits on my two sheets with
the number of bits on the cram sheet of the person in front of
me with microscopic handwritting. The TA gave up eventually.
\_ Actually I'd have walked up to you and said, "Which page
do you want? You can only keep one." And if you kept
going on your two page thing I'd just fail you. Seriously.
Unless you seemed to have a genuine, non-renegade,
non-protest reason for bringing in two pages. But anyways,
this was just to balance your remarks.
\_ Because I have a vision problem and you're discriminating
against me and everyone like me. -!not the two sheet person
\_ Anyone who *needs* to bring in a sheet with teeny-tiny little
writing on it is screwed anyway. I handwrote all my cheatsheets
in normal writing and usually had about half a side left.
\_ i don't think most people really need them. it's
just an OK but rather time-consuming way to study for
an exam as you are writing the notes. keep in mind
that cal professors in engineering are mostly looking
for understanding, and not the amount of crap that
you blindly memorized.
\_ Depends on the department. Some profs. in MSE
really were interesed in whether or not your could
memorize stuff from the book. |
| 2000/10/27 [Reference/Military] UID:19579 Activity:insanely high |
10/26 Replying to peace-loving caste member who loves gun freedom:
\_ I don't buy that having
guns available would make
a difference in controlling
government abuses in a
established democracy
like the US, with a
mature system of checks
and balances and a free
press.
\_ Except the press is bought
off and biased. People
are people. Nothing
magical about the press.
As for carrying out the
laws and controlling
crimes, that's what
governments are for, or
would you rather have
mob justice and blood
revenges like they have
Azerbajian or some other
3rd world hell hole?
\_ Governments don't always
"get it right".
As a matter of fact, I do
not believe in banning
guns totally in the US.
I believe that, given the
wide availability of guns,
people should have the
choice to have a gun for
personal protection.
\_ "As a matter of fact, I
do not believe in banning
murder totally in the US.
I believe that, given the
high murder rate, people
should have the choice to
murder or not."
But if you believe that
having guns available to
the general populace have
helped reduce crime or
helped curb government
abuses, I think you are
very much misguided.
\_ URL, please. Don't put
your opinion as fact on
the motd without a URL
to back up your statements.
It only annoys people who
are intelligent and want
a discussion rather than
a rant.
Here are a few quotes to support my point _/
These are men who knew first hand the
effect of disarming the populace:
Thomas Jefferson:
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make
things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they
serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed
man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
Thomas Paine:
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and
preserve order in the world as well as property ... Horrid mischief
would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
\_ As much as I repect Tom and Tom, these are also just opinions,
not facts. They do not "prove [any] point". No "Horrid mischief"
happened in the many European democracies that banned the general
populace from owning guns.
\_ changed to support. I should not have said proved.
\_ You mean like Germany, 1930s? Or England since they started
their war vs the IRA?
\_ It's lucky they do not have guns in Northern Ireland.
They would have started a civil war.
\_ changed to support. I should not have said proved. And which
european democracies have as much freedom as we do? None.
\_ Netherlands? France? What kind of freedoms do we have
that they don't have?
America is the last best hope of man on earth.
\_ American is the first, last, and only hope for free thinking
free willed people on this planet.
\_ Does that mean it also has to hve the highest homicide rate
\_ Does that mean it also has to have the highest homicide rate
in the world?
\_ This isn't Europe. I wouldn't want this country to be like Europe.
The whole point of this country was to *not* be like Europe. Stop
using Europe as some magic faery land of wonderment and joy and
\_ We also shouldn't misapply the lessons of other cultures. Been
to Europe? They're nothing like Americans. Totally different
place. It was like walking in an alternate universe.
\_ Huh? Visited disneyland, ate at McDonald's, shopped at
Walmart, feels just like home to me.
perfection in government. It isn't. As far as Tom/Tom quotes go,
these aren't facts but they make sense if you bothered to read them.
Who is a criminal more likely to attack? The man with the gun or
universe", the Americ of Jefferson's time is what I would
without the gun? Apply some common sense.
\_ We also shouldn't misapply the lessons of other cultures. Been
to Europe? They're nothing like Americans. Totally different
place. It was like walking in an alternate universe.
\_ Huh? Visited disneyland, ate at McDonald's, shopped at
Walmart, feels just like home to me.
Western Europe, Australia and Canada are the countries that
are culturally, and political and economic system wise the
closest to the US. If you want to talk about "alternate
universe", the America of Jefferson's time is what I would
call an "alternate universe".
\_ You are wrong. In America we value individual liberties
and live in a representative republic that was founded
to preserve those liberties and freedoms. We are not
a *socialist* welfare state like the countries you
named.
\_ High taxes and individual liberties don't
necessarily have an inversee relationship.
Fucking Singapore and Hongkong has less taxes
move liberty.
percentage wise than the US. Doesn't mean they have
more liberty.
\_ Can't you just stick to the issue? Nobody is asking you to make
the country like Europe. American exceptionalism is great, but
it does not mean we should rule out learning from others'
experience. Who do you fear more, a criminal with a knife,
or a criminal with a gun?
\_ I fear either if I'm not allowed to carry a gun, which
I'm not in California. But in answer to your question,
a knife wound is quite easily fatal, even if a ER was
right next door. Bullets make cleaner holes and usually
don't take out a vital organ. Knife wounds bleed badly.
\_ Do you seriously believe it is not easier to kill a
Why do mankind ven fucking invented the gun for?
person with a gun as compared to a knife? Why do
police and criminals use guns rather than knives then.
Why do mankind even fucking invented the gun for?
\_ Okay consider Australia's problems after banning guns.
As discussed in this article, contrary to popular belief
violence has increased rather than decreased.
<DEAD>www.sas-aim.org/news/australia.htm<DEAD>
\_ Ya, sure, quote a page from "Second Amendment Sisters,
Inc." I will give you a counter page then from
"Million Mom March" then:
http://www.millionmommarch.com/home/index.cfm
\_ Okay, show me the numbers. At least the SAS has
factual support for thier claims.
So, when law-abiding citizens who were law-abiding when they purchased
their weapons turn into criminals by using the gun against another
law abiding citizen, are they counted as "law-abiding gun owners"
or "criminals who were able to obtain the guns anyways."?
\_ You didn't find the stats? Ok, here you are:
http://www.millionmommarch.com/home/index.cfm?page=uk_laws&action=info
\_ I can show many examples of HCI/MMM lying.
For example, only 100,000 moms showed up.
\_ Uh, no it was more like 10,000 moms. And
here is a page that refutes what MMM says:
http://spot.colorado.edu/~tiemann/guns.html
\_ Both are equally deadly.
\_ what a ridiculous statement. A gunshot wound is
far more likely to kill than a knife wound. A
gunshot wound can be delievered from a distance,
a knife wound normally can't.
The "hear-no-evil" world view of the NRA-types is
amazing. -tom
\_ Yeah, the thug in a dark alley draws a knife
and puts it to your throat, or he draws a gun
puts it to your head, which is deadlier? They
are equally deadly.
And when the feds come to your house with thier
M16s, your puny little knife is going to be
enough to stop them from infringing on your
rights. Yeah. I'd rather live free than live
as a slave.
And if you think that no guns == safer society
you are dead wrong and will be dead wrong.
\_ A man with a gun can kill a few people, then is
out of ammo and must reload and can only carry
just so many rounds. A man with a knife can
kill you, your family, your neighbors, your dog,
slash your tires, and then make dinner with it.
A weapon is a weapon is a weapon. Each has a
different purpose and ideal use. A knife is not
less deadly than a gun, merely different. The
other poster who said they are equally deadly was
not in any way being ridiculous. The world
view of the "gub'ment will protect me" types
are simply amazing.
\_ I can take on a criminal with a knife. Unless knives
are banned.
\_ Yup. We all get lucky sometimes. Lets ban knives.
\_ Here are some URLS:
http://www.saf.org/journal/4_costs.html
http://www.saf.org/journal/4_Franklin.htm
http://www.saf.org/journal/4_Bordenet.html
http://www.saf.org/journal/5_Kopel.htm
http://http://www.rkba.org/comment/cowards.html
In short, having a gun
may be beneficial to
an individual in
specific circumstances,
but the wide spread
availability of guns
has been detrimental
to the US populace in
general.
\_ So a good thing for one
person becomes a bad thing
when many individuals
benefit from that same
thing? Hello?
\_ It's called "the
tragedy of the commons" and
it's a well-understood
phenomenon. Obvious example;
880 South at 8:00 AM. -tom
\_ So if we all have guns then
suddenly Something Terrible
will happen? Thanks for
the scare tactics.
\_ If I stand up to get
a better view in the
movie theater it is
good for me. If
everyone stands up
it is bad for all.
-!original poster
\_ it's bad for the
short people.
\_ Apples/Oranges.
Gun use is not a
limited resource.
LOS to the screen
in a theatre is.
Nice try, though.
As it relates to gun ownership this does _/
not apply as the entire populace needs to
be armed or at least have the ability to
be armed in order to preseve freedom.
Given the above, I
think it is right
to call for tougher
gun laws, but not to
ban it altogether.
\_ Tougher gun laws? Like?
This is the phrase a lot
of the gun ban lobby use
to cover the writing of
laws which chip away at
the 2nd amendment until
there's isn't one.
Registering guns annually (or some reasonable _/
time period). Penalty and responsibility if
gun registered under you is stolen or used to
commit a crime.
\_ Oh, THAT'S just. Someone steals your gun, and commits murder
and YOU'RE in trouble. Regardless of how well you protected it.
REAL fair. I want the same rules applied to your car. --PeterM
\_ That's what happens when you lose your rifle in the army.
\_ So you agree with registering guns annually (or some
reasonable time frame)?
\_ No. The government ought not know how many guns I have,
otherwise they can use that information against me.
\_ Are you against registering motor vehicles too.
I am sure the government can use that against you too.
\_ Of course penalty will vary depending on circumstance under
which the gun is stolen.
\_ Theft should be reported as soon as possible.
\_ Ever watch Red Dawn? That's what happens to people
who register their guns.
\_ So, when law-abiding citizens who were law-abiding when they purchased
their weapons turn into criminals by using the gun against another
law abiding citizen, are they counted as "law-abiding gun owners"
or "criminals who were able to obtain the guns anyways."?
\_ Depends on the circumstances. If you are attacking me, and I
pull out my gun and defend myself, then it is justified. If
a gun owner pulls out his gun and wacks someone its homocide,
but there are laws to deal with that. And if you say that its
easy to get a gun and kill many people, consider how easy it
is to make a bomb with household chemicals. Perhaps they should
all be banned too?
\_ everyone should own a submachine gun (either H&K UMP in
.40S&W or .45ACP or Steyr TMP), a machine gun (Russian An-94
or OICW), a hi-cap side arm (Para Ordance P-14-45 LDA or Glock 17),
a hi-cap shotgun (Franchi SPAS 12, or Benelli M3 Super 90), and
an anti-aircraft machine gun (naturally a M-2BMG).
\_ No thanks! I will just have a good ol' AK-47 and a Hitler
Jugend dagger with "Blut und Ehre" engraved. -neocommienazi
\_ The 7.62mm x 39mm cartridge of an AK-47 has been proven
to be inferior to that of it's successor the 5.45mm x 39mm
used in the current standard rifle of the Russian military,
the AK-74. The AK-47 is also grossly inaccurate. |
| 2000/10/27 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/Security] UID:19580 Activity:nil |
10/26 http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/meast/10/26/israel.cyberwar.ap |
| 2000/10/27-12/7 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:19581 Activity:high |
10/27 How to recursively grab a directory using FTP?
\_ scp -r
\_ use wget
\_ ncftp: get -r
\_ get -R actually
\_ How to check that the company logs all web traffic?
LEARN HOW TO FUCKING ASK QUESTIONS CORRECTLY!
\_ how to ask questions correctly? |
| 2000/10/27-28 [Reference/Military, Health/Men, Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:19582 Activity:kinda low |
10/27 Ok, we all know that men who drive big SUVs typically have small
penises. Does the same holds for men who own big guns? They need
to feel big and powerful by driving big cars and owning big weapons.
True?
\_ Please prove your contention that big SUV == small penis
\_ Well, he _said_ "we all know". Therefore....
\_ We don't all know this. Case and point,
his comment doesn't apply to me.
\_ Do the women who drive SUV's also have small penises?
\_ Yes, they require 2 double-A batteries; the D-battery dildos
are just a little much. -yersister
\_ Yes, they are 2 double-A batteries; the D-batteries as dildos
are just a little much.
\_ You sound like you speak from experience, good CSUAer!
\_ The RIGHT to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with owning guns.
This RIGHT is designed to guarentee that we are able to preserve
our FREEDOM.
\_ This just screams "wingnut" to me.
\_ This just screams "moron who never read the 2nd amendment
but has a worthless opinion anyway" to me, but fortunately
for you, this is the U.S. where you still have the right
to be wrong and proclaim it loudly. |
| 2000/10/27-28 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:19583 Activity:kinda low |
10/27 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20001027/aponline012351_000.htm Microsoft hacked \_ W0W, 3133T H@X0R FR0M .RU 0WNZ M$ \_ S0D@ I5 N3XT \_ Gates is mad because someone is now using M$'s own tatics against \_ Gates is mad because someone is now using M$'s own tactics against it. |
| 2000/10/27 [Uncategorized] UID:19584 Activity:nil 54%like:20383 |
10/26 [comment about url deletion deleted. moron] |
| 2000/10/27 [Reference/Military] UID:19585 Activity:nil |
10/26 Summary:
* Gun advocates can't register their guns because the goverment will
come take them away.
* Guns don't kill people. |
| 2000/10/27-28 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Academia/Berkeley/Classes] UID:19586 Activity:insanely high |
10/27 I have seen lots of cheating while in Berkeley. Do any of you cheat?
If so, how, why do you did it, and do you think it is justified?
\_ in four years as a double major i never cheated. no one i know
in math or physics ever cheated. cheating is for people in
college for the degree only.
\_ I.e. Business, Econ, IEOR
\_ i sifted through garbage bins for a 61b project...and succeeded.
it saved my ass b/c without it, I wouldn't have passed
with the c+ i got from dear old clancy. I left cs immediately
after that for my own good. I have no compunctions about this
because there was no fucking way I was going to get an F or
D and have to go through the whole debacle again. That was the
one and only time I did and I will forever relieved that I did.
\_ How the hell can you get anything but an A/A+ in the class?
\_ Cheating is so easy. Look over someone's shoulders during an
exam. Sit in a corner where you're least likely to be noticed
reading a cheatsheet under your calculator. Sift thru the
recycle bins for discarded printouts of code. Share.
\_ Actually, I've seen the guys with 48gs just scan the
relavent info into their computers and upload it to
their calc. Alas, if only we were all rich...
\_ Duh. Borrow one, stupid. Don't bitch that you're poor and
at some odd disadvantage to "those evil white rich guys!"
\_ yeah! I hate those guys!!
usually a frat boy, too,
like George Bush
\_ At least GB didn't flunk
out like AG did. Twice.
\_ Well, I never had to resort to such means and I still
did okay (ave. GPA overall, above average upper div),
my lament simply was that if we were all rich we could
have a bunch of toys to play with instead of studying.
I have never envied rich people, in fact I feel sorry
for people who have to rely on wealth to get them
through life, I will always have an advantage over them.
\_ Keep telling yourself that.
\_ Yeah, just become a TA and your admiring female students will love
to shake you down for a good grade. Don't tell your SO.
\_ This doesn't work. I was a TA and the female students never
offered me anything to improve their grades. Not even the
ugly ones. And I would have gone for the ugly ones.
\_ I never cheated in CS. Which is wise since Aiken has that
anti-cheat code-checking program.
\_ um, it doesn't work all that well :) It's a device of
intimidation but nothing else. I got away in 3 of my
upper div classes including his.
\_ It depends on what the definition of 'is' is.
\_ i cheated on some math tests because they didn't allow us cheat
sheets and i thought it was stupid to spend my time memorizing
a list of equations.
\_ I remember this music appreciation class (forgot the number).
A friend of mine took it with me because it's supposed to be an easy
class, but he found out that he was really bad at it (recognizing
tunes and such), so he asked me to help him cheat during the
multiple choice final.
\_ Thanks for coming out here with your confession.
You got somewhere to go now. Now let me show you the shape of
my heart.
\_ Thanks for all the great answers everybody. --Aiken
\_ soda% finger aiken
finger: aiken: no such user
\_ Prof. Aiken is a 3133T H@X0R! He's posting via his
R00T SH311! He's the one who OWNZ M$!
\_ My LR(k) is bigger than your LALR(1) -aiken
\_ I doubt that.
\_ He's sooo 3133T that he seems to be a luser.
\_ Is that like, yermom is so slutty that she's
actually a real hottie?
\_ No its not like a unsigned wrapping around.
Ever read the BUFH chronicles? He's sooo
3133T that the BOFH can't tell him from a
luser. |
| 2000/10/27 [Uncategorized] UID:19587 Activity:nil |
10/26 Summary:
* Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people. And fortunately
a lot of those people are gun owners. |
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