10/21   Wow, some good recent talk on the motd.
        \_ hot asian girls!

10/21   Is it harder finding a significant other when you start working
        in the real world full time?
        \_  uh...YEAH.  think about it...if you're working 8 hours a day or
            more, and you don't go drinking, don't do church, and if
            you don't have lots of friends to hook you up, it gets
            REALLY hard. try to get hooked up before you leave college.
            dating at work can be awkward b/c if things go badly, you
            have to see that person on a daily basis still or still
            work with them, that's messy.  or your workplace might
            be a virtual purgatory with no women your age, only
            older 50-60 year old women nearing menopause and retirement.
            you don't necessarily have to get desperate and marry the
            person next to you before you leave college.  Your friends
            are your best connection at this stage other than your outside
            hobbies, if they are anti-social and have no leads, then
            you are pretty much sort of fucked.  like lots of other people,
            I think it's rather typical nowadays.
                   -- angry alum
            \_ Get one of the older people at work to hook you up with
               thier daughter. Easiest way to get to the top is to marry
               into it. Beware that you will have to treat this person
               nice otherwise things can get very hard at work.
               The other alternative is to have your parents find you
               a wife. Arranged marriages are cost effective and long
               lasting. None of that dating non-sense. The downside is
               that the proven system for arranged marriages is pretty
               much indian only, so unless you are indian SOL.
        \_ How could it possibly be any harder?
           \_ meeting fewer eligible people?
           \_Less TIME. actually having to work 8 hours a day,
             and commute 1-2 hours total
                \_ More free time, not having to be in class 4 hours a day,
                    working 4 hours a day, and studying/working on projects
                    10 hours a day.  (Or were you an English major?)
                       \_ WTH do you do for a living? I'm working ~ 60-80
                          hrs a week, I've got less free time now than when
                          I was at Cal going to class, labs, doing hw/projects
                          and so on. However, I'm looking forward to the
                          day (shortly now thanks to my options) when I can re
                          tire and become a full time skirt chaser.
                                \_ Programmer at a company who IPO'ed when
                                   you were learning to program in BASIC in
                                   grade school, so there are no "do or die"
                                   deadlines, and the options have a much
                                   higher chance of being worth more than the
                                   toilet paper that the average startup
                                   stock options end up as.
                                   \_ well, my options are in two decently
                                      large companies, so I'll be joining
                                      the millionare club soon. The reason
                                      I work so much is cause the old shits
                                      in my company don't do anything except
                                      count their money and someone has to
                                      finish the coding.
                          \_ How much money do you need? I work ~40 hours
                             per week and my options will be worth $2M in
                             another year+
                             \_ I'm out at 5M.
                    \_ in class or out, you are still surrounded by
                       peole close to your own age, who are or will be
                       college educated. Its different in the "real world"
                    \_ lots more people talk about kids.  You starting looking
                       at women's hands for rings.
                    \_ the pool of eligible potentials dwindles drastically
                       once you leave school.
                       \_ Return to school, become a hs teacher. Just make
                          sure to keep your hands off the ones you know are
                          underage.
                            \_ how successsful could this possibly be?  it's
                               barely viable and definitely not tolerated
                               in the United States.
                                  \_ It worked for Na-chan (If you understand
                                     this, I'm apologizing in advance)
                               \_ might not have been very serious about
                                  the last response.

10/21   An acquaintance of mine has a CS grad school question: "I am graduating
        with my undergrad CS degree in June (from De Paul U., Chicago, IL). I
        had a concentration of database/data analysis.  Now, I was looking into
        graduate programs and have not been able to find any DB graduate
        programs.  Does any one know of any schools that might offer some type
        of DB grad degree?" Please respond to my account. -elizp
        \_ My very cool summer 61B instructor got her Ph.D. at Berkeley in
           95, thesis topic:  Active Storage Management for Database Systems
           \_ Could you tell me her e-mail address? -elizp
              \_ E-mail this guy:  http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~zaniolo
                 Ask him, if he doesn't have time personally, to direct
                 you to a grad student.  Be direct, brief, intelligent.
                 If you don't have any luck ask again on the motd and
                 I'll put you in touch.

10/20   Screw Gore and Bush and especially Pat. Vote Quimby
        http://www.quimby2000.com
        \_ I'm voting Vader: <DEAD>www.vaderfor2000.org<DEAD>
        \_ Well, look at how cool you are you hedonistic pinkhaired
           shitkitten. God forbid should you have an original thought lest
           in a somewhat related fit of your disrobed, impotent wisdom
           you take to trollying in public your hamster-shaming gonads
           with your ridiculeworthy genetalia as your mindless little
           heart bleeds amidst my laughter to the current of your own
           excretions... smeltsucking infantfelcher. - (fucker)
           \_ Welcome back. We've missed you.

10/20   whois http://microsoft.com
        \_ whois http://aol.com
        \_ whois http://apple.com
        \_ whois whitehouse.gov
        \_ pointP
           \_ nothing special about pointP.

10/20   Probably not the best venue for a FORTRAN question but...does
        anyone remember a way of getting around the 80 character limit
        on writing output? -ulysses
        \_ FORTRAN? Psah. When I was a kid we had to program in Ada
           in 5 feet of snow uphills both ways.
           \_ Wow.... they let you have snow?  *And* hills?  You're lucky.
              \_ Ada and snow and hills, damn you are lucky. We had to
                 toggle the switches on the front panel while darkness
                 was upon the void. Damn kids with your high-level
                 languages and geography.
                 \_ the worst was when you got a bug in your bottom
                    boulder and had to move the whole stack back up
                    the steep , icy hill one boulder at a time to debug
                    it(with a mastadon bone.)
                    it (with a mastadon bone.)
                    \_ My advisor used to tell me about people like
                       you, the rich kids with thier boulders and bones.
                       Our department was too poor to afford that stuff
                       so we just sat around theorizing and writing on
                       cave walls (no whiteboards).

10/20   How can I create a DLL under VC++ that exports a bunch of
        symbols that are forwarded to another DLL?  e.g. Under
        Windows NT, "dumpbin /exports wsock32.dll" shows that most
        of the functions exported by wsock32.dll are actually
        forwarded to mswsock.dll exports of the same name.  How do
        I do this?  Obviously the intention here is to write a
        wrapper DLL for something, where you have a few custom
        functions, and the rest just get forwarded to the wrapped
        DLL.
        \_ Just create a DLL with "wrapper functions" that call those
           functions in the DLL you want to "forward" calls to.

10/20   The idea of manpage is stupid. All --help option should be embedded
        in the binary.
        \_ alias woman man
        \_ hello, there is no mmap(2) binary on soda.
        \_ Gee, and everytime one needs to modify man pages, we should
           hack the binary too
           \_ --help should search your manpath for the right man page
                and dump it out
                \_ why? that's what man is for. You develop a program
                   you supply a man-page. I don't need to add a whole
                   bunch of crap to my program(s) just to display the
                   "help". And if you thing an added library call is
                   the right solution, adding crap into libc is total
                   bs.
        \_ It's too bad man came before www.  But look for man2html.exe,
           cool tuility.
                \_ man2html.exe: command not found
                   \_ yeah... ha ha. what a windoze using l00ser
        \_ what?  Are yous stoopid or something?  All UNIX operating
           systems should come with a miniature geek who pops out of
           your disk drive to ridicule you on not knowing flags and
           syntax for all the shell commands and OS services by memory
        \_ So you use flags like -k and -f a lot huh?  man man for the correct
           use of the man command.
           \_ Or -a.
                \_ Ya, that one too.
        \_ Yeah and there should be a --source option that dumps out the
           full source code too!
           \_ Don't tell RMS, he'll add it to the GPL.
           \_ Would the code to print the source code be included in the
              full source code dump? hm....

10/20   "{Gore|Bush|Troll} is the Salieri of American politics. He wants so
        desperately to be a genius. He has mastered the techniques. He
        knows everything. And yet the spark of genius is not in him. And
        there in the Oval Office sits the Mozart from Arkansas, the
        natural, the casually smutty debaucher of interns who is also
        the political genius of our time."
        \_ and you are the Salieri of the motd
           \_ hi mozart
        \_ This analogy is totally wrong. In Amadeus, Salieri is the
        Venetian court composer, not Mozart. It would follow, therefore
        that Clinton is Salieri, and that Gore is Mozart. The point is
        that whoever is Amadeus wouldn't be elected since he would not
        be understood in his time. -williamc
        \_ I am Yahoo Serious portraying Mozart, you are all Paully Shore.-blojo

10/20   What does "fu" mean?  I see them sometimes on the motd.
        \_ It's a chinese word.
        \_ Fucked Up, as in FUBAR
          \_ More commonly spelt as "foobar", so "fu" is analogous to "foo"
          which I'm sure you'd be familiar with once you've taken enough
          CS or psuedo-CS classes. FUBAR, fucked up beyond all recognition,
          army term, like SNAFU, Situation Normal, All Fucked Up.
          \_ See the Jargon File for complete info:
             http://www.tf.hut.fi/cgi-bin/jargon?search=FUBAR
             The short story, FUBAR comes from WWII (F'ed up beyond all
            repair).
            The long story, it was added to computing lexicon by dec guys,
            and FOOBAR was made famous by RFC 1639.
          \_ fu == foo!!??  No way!
             \_ 'fu' has nothing at all to do with 'foo'.  See below.  -blojo
        \_ Hungry, wasting sodans are talking about "food", but in order to
           conserve energy only speak the first phoneme.  IT wages are
           tough to make a living on.
        \_ knowledge of a subject.
           \_ advanced ability in a particular technical field. Commonly
              referred to as Expertise.
        \_ as in kung fu
            \_ "I know Kung FU!"
               \_ "Show Me"
        \_ Even Winnie the Pooh knows what "fu" means:
           /csua/tmp/winniethepooh.mpg
        \_ It's like Lucy in the sky with diamonds. -gwb
        \_ That is just because you are Bush/Gore apologist who is
           secretly in favor of communism/fascism. Admit it!
           \_ No, this sodan just prefers motd sex/no-sex talk.  Am I right?
              \_ yup. poll for working post-school males with SO's: you:
                 a) knew your SO while in school or before:
                 b) met your SO after you started working :
                 c) found my SO in a lap dance bar in SF  :

10/20   What do "SOL" and "LOL" mean?  I see them sometimes on the motd.
        \_ /usr/local/bin/dict sol; /usr/local/bin/dict lol
        \_ shit outta luck and laugh(ing/s/whatever) out loud
                               \_ I've also heard Lots of Laugh(ter/s/ing)
                                  \_ this just isn't right
           \_ The cleaner version is Sorry Outta Luck.
              Another commonly used phrase related to LOL (laughing out
              loud) is ROFL (rolling on the floor laughin)
                \_ "There is no end to the hilarity on the Internet"
                    --Dave Barry

10/20   Used Emacs since 92 and I will die by it. However I've been having
        CDE (common development environment) envy lately. I really want to
        have the ability to fill in method names, do parameter check, and
        most importantly, click on a class name in a *.java file which will
        jump directly to JavaDoc. Is there a fancy elisp that will do all
        of the above? JDeveloper and J++ have all of the above long time ago.
        \_ hi partha
        \_ If you need these features, your fu is weak.
           \_ If you use Java, your fu is weak to begin with.
              \_ Untrue. It takes massive fu to write fast usable java
                 code. Also anything with JNI requires fu as do dynamic
                 class loading in a secured environment (read signed
                 applets)
              \_ If you found need to reply to this comment, this suggests
                 in itself that your fu is weak.  As for my reply, this is
                 a meta-reply, so my fu is weak only in a meta-sense.

10/20   recs for good java books for beginners?  thanks.
        \_ _Core Java 2 : Volume 1 Fundamentals_ by Cay S. Horstmann & Gary
           Cornel. Then study the Java 2 SDK documentation, which is as
           beautiful as it is useful.
        \_ Java in a Nutshell.  For the C-fluent, Java beginner.
        \_ Gore Java (bet you didn't know he invented that too)
           \_ figures.  No wonder everything inherits from a central object.
        \_ Java for Bush (for the less inclined folks)