Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2000:October:01 Sunday <Saturday, Monday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2000/10/1-2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:19381 Activity:very high
9/30    Perhaps the liberals in the viewing audience can explain something
        to me. Why is it that todays liberals (esp. democrats) have forsaken
        the princples of the founding members of thier party? Consider the
        following quote from Thomas Jefferson (a democrat for those who have
        weak memories):

        ... a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from
        injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate
        their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take
        from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of
        good government ...

        All we hear from democrats these days is that we need more government
        with more spending and more regulation and more taxes and more control
        over the lives of individual.
        \_ blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
        \_ I'll ignore the fact that this is an obvious troll, but, perhaps
           you missed the fact that the parties did a role-reversal.
           Remember, Lincoln was a Republican.  The Republican party today
           looks suspiciously like a special interest group for aging white
           \_ There are many republicans who still believe in the ideals that
              Lincoln and Reagan set for our party. Not all of us agree with
              loud mouth show-offs like Limbaugh and Gingrich. I believe
              that the true spokesmen for the Republican party are men like
              George Will, Tom Campbell and Thomas Soddel.
        \_ Ja, die Republikaner sagen "LEBEN UND LEBEN LASSEN"
        \_ Yeah, Jefferson also enslaved men and women. go figure.
        \_ Jefferson founded the first Republican party in America.
           The first three Republican presidents were all wealthy,
           aristocratic Southern planters--Jefferson, Madison and Monroe
           -- rich and privileged folks, much like today's Republicans.
           Later, the Republican party split into the (1) Whig Party
           (pro-expansionists/imperialists) and (2) Democratic-Republican
           party (composed of diverse elements that emphasized local
           and humanitarian concerns, states' rights, agrarian interests,
           and democratic procedures). In keeping with the egalitarian spirit
           of the times, that faction adopted the name Democratic Party.
           In the mid 1800s, the Whigs eventually split up by joining
           Democrats(pro-slavery) and Northern Republicans(anti-slavery).
           This new Republican Party (which is as we know them) had a
           presidential candidate called Abraham Lincoln who said:
               "The legitimate object of government is to do for a
                community of people whatever they need to have done,
                but cannot do at all, or cannot do so well, for
                themselves, in their separate and individual capacities."
           Lincoln won the presidency without winning a single southern state.
           Of course, later, in the 1960s, lots of southerners joined the
           Republican Party because they feared the integrationist and
           pro-civil-rights Democratic Party. So they really are the same.
           Plus, FDR was a Democrat and he saved the country from
           ruin during the Great Depression by using the power of
           the government to assist down-and-out people and provide
           regulation and stability so that economic prosperity
           could flourish.
           \_ FDR introduced social programs (i.e. the institution of
              robbing the successful in favor of the mediocre and unsuccessful).
              The insane pyramid scheme of Social Security which will plague
              this country for many more years is FDR's legacy.  The war
              brought us out of the Great Depression, not FDR.  Did you know,
              btw, that FDR once remarked that all germans should be castrated
              (after the war)?  He was a big fan of civilian bombings also,
              and he believed it was a crucial component of winning the war.
              \_ Uh... FDR died before the end of WWII.
                 \_ And this is relevant to his views or his personality ...
                    how?  Hitler technically died before the end of WWII also.
                    \_ Oh yeah, FDR is just like Hitler, huh?
              \_ Contributing to two world wars does not make them favorites.
                 On his way to meet British Prime Minister Winston Churchill
                 in Quebec, FDR told reporters on August 26, 1944: "We have
                 got to be tough with Germany and I mean the German people
                 not just the Nazis.  We either have to castrate the German
                 people or you have got to treat them in such a manner [so
                 that] they can't go on reproducing people who want to
                 continue the way they have in the past."
2000/10/1-2 [Reference/RealEstate, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:19382 Activity:low
      A meteor the size of an apartment building is expected to land on
      Soda Hall in the near future.  Life as we know it will cease to
      exist, and you will no longer be able to wall.  You have been warned.
        \_ but walling is our life?
        \_ Are backups up to date?
2000/10/1 [Politics/Domestic] UID:19383 Activity:kinda low 62%like:19385
10/01   What is with snotty politically ignorant trolls on motd?
        Find another place to worship Limbaaaa and jack off, luzer.
        \_ Conservatives are not the ones censoring topics on the
           motd. Its the liberal luzer though police. At least
           conservatives let people who disagree with them speak
           freely, unlike liberal COMMIE SCUM!
2000/10/1 [Reference/Religion] UID:19384 Activity:nil
10/01   Muslims attacked by Jews again. You can't trust those zionist
2000/10/1-2 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:19385 Activity:high 62%like:19383
10/01   What is with snotty politically ignorant trolls on motd?
        \_ Conservatives are not the ones censoring topics on the
           motd. Its the liberal luzer though police. At least
           conservatives let people who disagree with them speak
           freely, unlike liberal COMMIE SCUM!
                \_ Whatever: McCarthy Party Lamb. Shout your
                   repressive conservative politics all you want, your
                   crusty old-fashioned reps. are getting left in the
                   political dust. I ain't deleting anything, better
                   to let you show off your ignorance to the world.
                   \_ It's you liberals ruining them oral and economoic
                      fabric of society.
                   \_ It's you liberals ruining the oral and economoic
                      fabric of society. -ranga
                      \_ If you want to sound half intelligent (or more
                         intelligent that George Bush) then you might
                         want to refrain from using random permutations
                         of the words damn, liberal, luzer, commie, and
                         scum as they show absolutely no intellectual
                         thought. Rather than shooting off the hips why
                         don't you pick a particular topic and discuss it
                         in full detail (why you agree/disagree, what
                         evidence you have to support it, what arguments
                         you have to counter the other side, etc...).
                         That would surely sound far more intelligent than
                         saying things like "you're stupid", "you're a
                         damn commmie liberal", painting the motd with
                         "LINUX, RIDE BIKE", etc... Being a democrat
                         doesn't make you dumb. Not following your
                         arguments with any form of rational thought is.
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