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| 2000/8/25-27 [Computer/Networking] UID:19092 Activity:high 50%like:18121 75%like:19090 56%like:19144 |
8/24 Jobs at http://phone.com -- sw engineers, QA, release engineers. Check out /usr/local/csua/pub/jobs/Phone.com/ for more info. \_ wap sucks. \_ yermom sucks. \_ Didn't their stock tank and stay tanked since March? \_ It's gone up 20 points from 2 weeks ago. They're merging with http://software.com -- analysts predict it'll be at 135+ by the end of the year and rate it a "strong buy" -- all this is on http://finance.yahoo.com \_ Up 20 means its still down dozens more from spring. \_ i think you're not smart if you don't bet on WAP. -ali \_ http://phone.com was going down, but then SPYG went and sold out to piece-of-shit OPTV, removing http://phone.com's big (and better) competition. -tom \_ most wireless industry analysts agree that WAP is lame and going to be short-lived (< 1 year). the clients suck and are all slightly different bugs. "We recommend you do your site 4 different ways to make it look good on different WAP browsers" \_ what you know as wap was never intended to be long- lived. wap is evolving quickly and hopefully won't suck as much as it does today. \_ WAP is doomed, period. It was designed to run pared- down http traffic over wireless protocols not capable of handling a lot of bandwidth (GSM, etc.) When UMTS gets rolling, you'll see pretty hardcore handheld mobile wireless internet traffic way beyond WAP. -John \_ gee, I wonder if _that's_ why the merger with http://software.com is such a big deal! duh! with the merger, http://phone.com's future path just opened wider. \_ WTF do these so called 'analysts' know? If they were so damned smart, why are they still working? \_ didn't I see that on a billboard for etrade? \_ Probably. It's a line older than the people who founded etrade however. The line even predates Al Gore's founding the internet in his youth. \_ http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20000709.html \_ Check stock chart from January to today. \_ are we goign to have this conversation _again_? we just deleted the whole thread about all this. \_ What thread? You should check the value of *any* company you're thinking of joining. What's the big deal with that? \_ http://finance.yahoo.com -- lookup phcm. |
| 2000/8/25-26 [Health/Sleeping] UID:19093 Activity:low 63%like:19003 |
8/24 Twin bed matress and box spring for sale. $5.00 --daveh
\_ isn't that the sort of thing you just give away and are thankful
for someone taking off your hands? Cheap bastard.
\_ I think the idea is if you charge for it people will
will think it's a nice one.
\_ You're right, he offered this thing for free
awhile ago.
\_ no one wants daveh's skanky mattress
\_ no one wants daveh's skanky dick |
| 2000/8/25 [Recreation/Dating] UID:19094 Activity:nil |
8/24 I was having sex with my boyfriend and as I was being clitorally
stimulated to climax, I saw images like being on a ship in the middle
of a storm with a yellow rainjacket on and feeling like my arms
and hands were in watermelon bubblicious bubbglecum (that later
changed to grape). We were completely sober. Would taking
hallucinogens before a similar sex experience heighten the effect?
\_ i don't think Paddington Bear takes hallucinogens.
\_ No. Every drug that messes with your brain (all of them) are
either proven or almost proven to decrease sexual pleasure, ability
to climax, etc. This is definitely one time drugs can't improve
on nature, unless you're looking for a better light show instead
of better sex. If you want a good light show, try the planetarium
instead of your boyfriend.
\_ Viagra+LSD!
\_ ever tried coke? |
| 2000/8/25 [Computer/SW/Languages/Python] UID:19095 Activity:nil |
8/25 What is the best site for a primer on python?
\_ http://www.python.org |
| 2000/8/25-26 [Reference/Tax] UID:19096 Activity:high |
8/24 I'm buying a house in Silicon Valley. Is it a better idea to sell
my ESPP stock or my options for my down payment? Thanks.
\_ YOU ARE AN IDIOT! BUY HIGH???
\_ Stock options. Stock options have expiration dates.
\_ The real answer is depends. Your options might expire, but
if you sell your options in a same day sale, the acutal
amount of money you are going to get is ~ 40% (Bill C needs
\_ ~ 58%
\_ Okay, I agree
that this number depends on the withholding
you specify at the time of the sale, but if
you specify any less than 32% you are going
to get shafted on 15 April. Read the fine
print and talk to a tax attorney, in some
cases the tax penalty starts on the day of
the sale. So, its like 32% tax + option
price + 7% state + 1% medicare + 1.5% SSI.
Maybe adding the option price isn't exactly
right, since you have to pay that anyway.
is cut). If you make a lot of profit (greater than $250K) you
may get even less because of AMT. Note that this is for non-qual
\_ wrong
options (the kind that you get if you join a company after it
\_ wrong
is public). For ISO options (the kind you should get if you join
a pre-ipo company) the % Bill C gets is a little differnet and
\_ wrong
you may walk away with as much as 60% - 70% even on a same day
sale. If you decided to buy your non-qual options and hold them
after 1 yr you can walk away with up 75%. The story of ESPP shares
\_ Please don't use Bill C. He doesn't get taxes you paid.
Otherwise, he'd be richer than Bill G. Uncle S is the
\_ He's the DGLF that raised the tax rates and keeps
vetoing any tax relief. Bill C spends my money on
worthless crap like welfare and environmental reg.
when I would rather see it used for things like
ICBM's, Aircraft Carriers, Battle Ships, Space
Based Weapons Platforms, Mars landers etc.
person getting your taxes.
\_ All of you need to talk to Monica L.
is different since you own them. All you have to do is wait until
they have been held for more than 1 year and you just pay 20% of
the profit to Bill C.
\_ This person is wrong on several important points. Talk to a
tax accountant; why the hell are you asking this here? And to
this poster: stop giving advice --aaron
\_ aaron, would you rather have a house or an Asian Chick?
\_ are they all out of chics? --aaron |
| 2000/8/25 [Uncategorized] UID:19097 Activity:nil |
8/25 Is there a way to find out which ISP co-locate a particular domain name? |
| 2000/8/25-27 [Reference/BayArea, Reference/RealEstate] UID:19098 Activity:very high |
8/25 Any place in the bay area where I can find a house < $300K? Don't
tell me East Palo Alto. I'll settle for townhouse, but not condo.
\_ WEST OAKLAND IN THA HOUSE MOTHAFUCKA NIGGA PLEEZ!
\_ just come heavily armed with a shotgun and a kevlar vest..
\_ Power armor. Have it developed.
\_ don't hold your breath. what we need right now is a massive
\_ I actually looking. It's true.
10.0 earthquake to physically destroy most of the computer
industry around here before prices go down...just enough
destruction to drive a large part, but not all, of the tech
companies out. *sigh*
- (racially insensitive, mood swings)
\_ You think you can get a house in E Palo for under $300k? Don't
be stupid. They're not giving them away in EPA anymore.
\_ Yeah, nowhere can you get a perfect view of 35mm shells flying
by your window at 2am in the morning.
\_ I was actually looking. It's true.
\_ 35mm? Either you are trying to shoot down aircraft, or are
watching big-screen films or have robots in teh streets.
\_ You won't find a house of under $300K in the bay area.
\_ a friend of mine bought a 2br 1ba with bay view and backyard,
in East Oakland a couple months ago for $250Kish. It's not in
an elite neighborhood, but it's on the "good side" of High Street
by the 580. It's possible, you just have to compromise. Another
friend of mine bought a 3br 2ba house for $330K in Clayton (by
Concord/Walnut Creek -- and yah, it is one of those 70s style homes
with frightful orange and green walls inside, but she figures she
can easily fix that) two weeks ago, so my guess is that there
are 2br 1ba houses for less than $330K out that aways, too. --chris
\_ The compromise being that you fear for your life and your wife's
well being at all hours, but gee the house was such a bargain.
\_ There are still houses ~ 300K in Newark/Union City/Hayward
(~ 500k new) Other places you might want to look are milpitas
(alviso), downtown (getto) sunnyvale, e sj. Town homes in 300k
are still available in the w sj & cupertino area, but these are
really small (~ 900 sqft).
\_ Well, if you consider Pittsburg still in the Bay Area, my gf's
sister bought a 2-story 6-bdrm house out there for $350k.
\_ I don't. Might as well live in Texas.
\_ Pittsburgh is in Pennsylvania. That's not Bay Area.
\_ pittsburgh, california, you fucking dweeb
\_ Pittsburg, CA, versus PittsburgH, PA
\_ back in november I saw a house go for 150K in oakland on
MLK in between ashby bart and and childrens hospital. Right next
to bart tracks.
\_ There are a lot of houses in flatland north Oakland (not
Rockridge) that go for less than $300k. Of course, a trivial
search on http://realestate.yahoo.com would have told you that. -tom
\_ or http://www.listinglink.com
Mark my words: a new 2bd/2.5bath townhome
\_ yeah and spend $60K just to make it reasonably livable.
when you could spend a little more on a new home in Newark
and have that house appreciate MUCH faster. And a new home
wont suck up all your time to get it fixed.
\_ When I moved into my place, we redid the foundation,
electrical, plumbing, heating, and floors, and
it cost, in total, about $30K. And it's way the
places to buy(i work in Palo Alto), unless
you have a well-paying job in SF or Contra
Costa, then you can buy in North
Oakland/Rockridge for cheap and stay
near some nightlife/culture. But if youre
buying a house, you probably cant afford
to go out anyways,heh.
hell nicer than anything you can buy in Newark.
-tom
\_ not now.
\_ And Oakland sucks and it'll never appreciate.
I think you made the wrong choice.
\_ actually oakland will appreciate, but NOWHERE
near as fast as Newark will the next 2 years.
Mark my words: a NEW 2bd/2.5bath townhome
in Newark purchased today will appreciate
nearly $100K in the next 12-18 months.
I'm looking at that area ASAP, but also
considering an older townhome/house in
S'vale, just to keep my commute sane.
I am screwing myself by generating
competing buyers, but really those are the
places to buy(esp if u work in Palo Alto
like me), unless you have a well-paying
Would you like to pay for a detailed study? or is
complaining less expensive? THINK about how the govt
tracks this data and you'll see.
job in SF or WC, then you can buy
in North Oakland/Rockridge for cheap and
stay near some nightlife/culture. But if
youre buying a house, you probably cant
afford to go out anyways,heh.
\_ ooh yeah, Oakland sucks, it's so horrible
to have a dozen real restaurants, a
good grocery store and a movie theatre
within 3 blocks of my place. It would
be so much better if I had to drive 5
minutes to get to the Taco Bell/Burger King/
Applebee's strip. Not to mention an
hour drive to get anywhere with any kind
of nightlife or culture. As for
appreciation, I bought it for $265K,
similar houses in the neighberhood are going
over $400K, 1.5 years later. -tom
\_ You have a funny idea of 'good'. If I
want what Berkeley, SF, or anywhere else
has to offer, I can drive to the slums,
and then *go home*. I don't have to
*live* in that shit. And how often do
you _really_ enjoy that really great
Oakland nightlife chill'n' on da korna
wit da homeez? Asking price != selling.
People in slums always talk about how
great the culture is. They have nothing
else to talk about. Check the crime rate
and let us know.
\_ gee, racist trolls from reiffin.
how original. -tom
\_ As usual, "whatever you say tom."
I've asked you before to just
add my standard reply to your
garbage for me to save me the
effort. Is it that hard? I'm
not a racist but if it makes you
feel better to think so, that's
ok with me. Whatever. -reiffin
\_ how about, we'll just
imagine your replies and
you can just go away. -tom
\_ "We" who? You speak for
all motd readers? Or is
that the "royal we"? The
truth is I'll never go
away as long as you're
around. You're so easy,
I can't help but bait
you. You take yourself
so seriously when no one
else does. -reiffin
\_ Purchased a new home in SJ for $530K
10 months ago. Now similar homes
in the area sell for nearly $900K. And
the new homes in area with larger lots
are being offered at $1.1million (as
a *starting* bid). Problem w/ Oaktown
is that the good parts are built up.
But SJ and UC/NWK have *new* homes
being built, which are of course more
expensive, but drive up the price
of neighboring homes a lot more than
usual. LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION!
And all my neighbors drive lexus,
porsche, bmw, mbz and there's 1 ferrari
\_ uh, when you add supply, the
price goes down (relatively). -tom
\_ tend to agree with tom on this
thread. i wouldn't call his
decision to buy a house in
oakland stupid. a friend of mine
bought in oakland for $100K 2
years ago, and the house is now
worth $300K. Yah, he had to fix
it up, but he likes everything
he put in, instead of having to
put up with someone else's decor.
plus, I don't particularly care
for a permanent living situation
in Newark/SouthBay. --chris
\_ i think you all would
both change your
mind if you were the
one who got mugged
or even killed in the
area. not the
preferable place to be.
not to be racist either,
but those things happen,
and with greater freq.
there.
\_ Believing in crime
statistics isn't racism.
\_ price should go down but they
do not, because the new
prices for neighboring lots
go up, while supply still
strips demand (until the stock
market crashes that is).
If someone wants to live in
the same area, they HAVE to pay
similar prices. You do not
understand BA RE very well.
It more complicated than Econ 1
The homes are not worth that
amount of money, but that's
the market, and people have/had
"free" money to toss around
so what do they care? Yes, BA
market is all topsy-turvy. And
Oakland simply has a bad rep
so it can never grow as fast.
Even though it's the best
place to live for many reasons.
Sigh, I lived in Rockridge for
5+ years and would still be
SJ & it's too hot and stuffy.
there if the commute was
reasonable. The water sucks in
SJ. Weather too hot and stuffy.
Gasoline is 20 cents higher.
BIKE is near useless.
No cool movies. But they
do have fewer bums and a Fry's
\_ BAY AREA by COUNTY BREAKDOWN OF HOME SALES
\_ You want these numbers by city, not by county. Some of these
counties are a mix of very nice cities and shitty slums. County
numbers are misleading.
\_ Breakdown by city would be misleading too. i.e. oakland.
\_ That's true. A lot of these cities are large and have
very varying areas and prices. The county numbers are
completely worthless, however. Cities numbers still
have _some_ value.
\_ Gee, County numbers have _some_ value too. The only
thing that is worthless is your all-or-nothing attitude.
Anyways, I was trying to help answer the poster's Q.
\_ Your call. I don't pay attention to misleading
numbers that clump *huge* areas together under a
single heading. You can if you'd like.
\_ You cannot find the numbers.
MEDIAN PRICE
County July '99 July '00 Pct. chg.
Alameda $278,000 $340,000 22.3%
Contra Costa $250,000 $269,000 7.6%
Marin $438,000 $550,000 25.6%
Napa $199,000 $269,000 35.2%
San Francisco $375,000 $470,000 25.3%
San Mateo $425,000 $503,000 18.4%
Santa Clara $390,000 $483,000 23.8%
Solano $162,000 $195,000 20.4%
Sonoma $249,000 $290,000 16.5%
Source: DataQuick Information Systems |