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2000/8/20-21 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:19048 Activity:very high
8/19    I hate people who put "The" in front of our school name, like:
        "The University of California, Berkeley"
        \_ Kind of like: "Take The 580 to The 5 to The 405 to The..."
        \_ Kind of like: "Take the 580 to the 5 to the 405 to the..."
           but not really...
           \_ it's not a capitalized The and it's not part of the name. Duh.
        \_ That's the name.  Duh.
           \_ it's not a capitalized the and it's not part of the name. Duh.
              \_ Whether or not it's a part of the name is irrelevant since
                 the word in question is what's known as an "article," and
                 is normally placed before such names.  What really gets to
                 \_ you proved my point. There are some idiots who
                    write "The U..." on things like applications, resumes,
                 me is how people say "the University of California at
                    sentence, and even then you use "the" not "The".
                 Berkeley" instead of "the University of California, Berkeley."
                    Nothing wrong with multiple names, just not "The U..."
                    \_ If The University uses it on official documents then
                       it _is_ official.  I think The University gets to
                 \_ you proved my point. there are some idiots who
                    write "the U..." on things like applications, resumes,
                    or .signatures?! When you do use "the" it is only in a
                    sentence, and even then you use "the" not "the".
        \_ LA refers to roads as 'the 405 freeway,' or the 405.  The
                    And both "," and "at" are valid, even UC uses both.
                    Nothing wrong with multiple names, just not "the U..."
                    \_ If the University uses it on official documents then
                       it _is_ official.  I think the University gets to
                       decide what is official and what is not.  Not random
                       wanna-be-english-major know-it-alls on the motd.
           The University of California at Berkeley.
        \_ Likewise for people who put "the" in front of Bay Area freeway
           names, or "BART." This isn't L.A.!
                \_ Because The University gets to have everything both ways.
        \_ LA refers to roads as 'the 405 freeway,' or the 405.  the
           \_ It's actually the University of California. The Berkeley is
           Bay refers to it as 'Highway 80,' or 80.  It's that simple.
           \_ Actually it's 'Interstate 80,' not 'Highway 80.'
        \_ Jeff graduated from University of California sounds FOBish.
           What are you talking about? Henry graduated from the University
           of California. Sounds normal.
        \_ It's actually ' at ' instead of ', '.
           the University of California at Berkeley.
           \_ It's actually both.  No one loses.  Everybody wins! :D
              \_ I've been told it was ',' and not 'at.'  How can it be both?
                \_ Because the University gets to have everything both ways.
                   \_ ok, you've got a pretty good point here
           \_ It's actually the University of California. the Berkeley is
              implied.
2000/8/20-22 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:19049 Activity:high
8/19    Playstation II or DreamCast? Pros/Cons? Are Playstation I games
        compatible with Playstation II?  Also, is it possible to play Japanese
        CD with the US Playstation? Thanks...                   -game newbie
        \_PSX I games are compatible w/ PSX II, further they are enhanced!
          Jpn PSX games will NOT work on PSX II (territory lockout)
          For short term (1.5-2yr) get the Dreamcast, for long therm (3-4yr)
          get the PSX2.
             \_ Very short term (< 1 year) for the DreamCast, most game
                companies are developing for the PSX2 or X-Box at this point.

             \_ the does lie the possibility for "mod chips" that can
                be soldered into the ps2 to enable u.s. units to play
                japanese games, but that can't be determined for certain
                at this time since the ps2 doesn't come out until oct. 26.
                if you can't wait until oct. 26, buy the dreamcast,
                otherwise wait for ps2.  or if you have lots of money,
                buy them both, then you don't have to worry about system
                A vs. system B.   Playstation games should play on ps2
                b/c apparently, there is a ps1 inside the ps2, that's
                why the two units are backwards compatible (at least
                that's what I last heard, which was awhile ago).
                ALSO:
                you need a ps2 simply b/c metal gear solid 2 is coming out
                in 2001 (see the 90 MB trailer at http://psx.ign.com).  Hopefully,
                this game will kick much ass compared to the original.
        \_ Don't get another box, use your PC/Mac:
           http://www.virtualgamestation.com
           There's even a modchip so you can play CD-R and Japan games
           MacAlly and Gravis sell the PSX controllers in USB format so
           you even get that (controllers ~ $19).
                 \_ don't listen to this guy.  you can't emulate dreamcast
                    or ps2 yet (duh!).  it works ok for most games on
                    playstation, except some games looks really bad.
                    ("silent hill", you see the box mappings around
                     characters, gran turismo  has texture problems...
                    hmm...might've forgot to adjust my memory on that one).
                    Metal gear solid has slowness problems...so the emulation
                    isn't really perfect.  the box is cheap enough..
                    unless you happen to be a CHEAP ASSHOLE like some
                companies announced future products will be for PS2/XBox. -oj
                    sodans I know.
                    \_ Okay, so it doesn't do PSX II or DreamCast, but
                       PSX II isn't out yet and DreamCast suxs! PSX still
                       has great games. Gran Turismo and Gran Turismo II
                       run exteremely well on my PB G3 400. So does Driver
                       and Super Puzzle Fighter II.
        \_ http://www.xbox.com

        \_ Only PSX games "written to the proper standards" will work.  The
           \_ isn't the xbox going to cost >$500? pretty unfair to compare
              that to the playstation 2
        \_ The above post is simply not true.  Most, estimating approx. 98%,
        \_ http://www.chipzone.com
           from Sony and Gaming News Agencies.  The only games with issues
        \_PSX I games are compatible w/ PSX II, further they are enhanced!
          Jpn PSX games will NOT work on PSX II (territory lockout)
          For short term (1.5-2yr) get the Dreamcast, for long therm (3-4yr)
          get the PSX2.
             \_ Very short term (< 1 year) for the DreamCast, many game
                companies announced future products will be for PS2/XBox.
                Oh yeah JPN PSX1 will work on JPN PS2.  US PSX1 discs and
                CDR's won't.  I assume similar things for US PS2 -oj
             \_ the does lie the possibility for "mod chips" that can
                be soldered into the ps2 to enable u.s. units to play
                japanese games, but that can't be determined for certain
                at this time since the ps2 doesn't come out until oct. 26.
                if you can't wait until oct. 26, buy the dreamcast,
                otherwise wait for ps2.  or if you have lots of money,
                buy them both, then you don't have to worry about system
                A vs. system B.   Playstation games should play on ps2
                b/c apparently, there is a ps1 inside the ps2, that's
                why the two units are backwards compatible (at least
                that's what I last heard, which was awhile ago).
                ALSO:
                you need a ps2 simply b/c metal gear solid 2 is coming out
                in 2001 (see the 90 MB trailer at http://psx.ign.com).  Hopefully,
                this game will kick much ass compared to the original.
        \_ Only PSX games "written to the proper standards" will work.  the
           games written by folks who ignored the rules won't always work.
           Only about 1/4th of em will work I've read.
        \_ the above post is simply not true.  Most, estimating approx. 98%,
           of PSX I games will play on the PSX II based on various reports
           from Sony and Gaming News Agencies.  the only games with issues
           are basically only 1st generation Japanese games.  Sony has
           issued a list of games (~20) that are not compatible which futher
           proves this point, see: http://www.vnunet.com/News/106992
           \_ Not what I read.  YMMV.
           \_ spoken like a true Sony monkey
        \_ http://www.modchips.com
2000/8/20-22 [Computer/Networking] UID:19050 Activity:high
4/141   Anyone ever got VPN to run over PPPoE? -hapless Pacbell DSL user.
        \_ No, but you might want to try ipsec over ka9q or something like
           that, if you have fucked-up routing.  Mail me for info.  -John
        \_ Yes, from Win98 (client) to PoPToP (server) running on Linux.
           Couldn't get Network Neighborhood to browse right though, but
           if you put entries in C:\LMHOSTS or wherever it did work.
           --dbushong
        \_ Yes, using Linux & the instructions in the VPN masquerading HowTo
           (we have a hardware VPN box) -alan-
           \_ Which HW box?  Is it good?  How much?  --dbushong
                \_ Ravelin by Red Creek, we didn't buy it, it's what NetApp
                   provides employees to set up VPN's to work from home. -alan-
2000/8/20-22 [Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:19051 Activity:high
4/141   How do I make "vi" my default editor in PINE?  I inserted it into my
        .pinerc file under "editor=vi" but that doesn't work.  It adds the
        command ctlr+_" to the bottom of the menu in pine but that command
        doesn't work.
        \_ Make sure you enable this option in setup
           [X]  enable-alternate-editor-cmd
        \_ Or better yet,
           [X]  enable-alternate-editor-implicitly
        \_ Ctrl-_ should work.. you might have a terminal program that doesn't
           support it correct.  If you're using vi as your editor, btw, you'll
           lost most of the benefits of pine (i.e. having an integrated
           editor).  You should probably switch to something better, like
           mutt (much faster, more powerful, yadda yadda).  --dbushong
           \_ or (n)mh ----ranga
           \_ Ack , but you are stuck with pico then which absolutely blows
              goats. I find vi unacceptable to mail editing either. vim seems
              ok if you add shortcuts for spell checking and use
              ":set nocompatible" and ":set backspace=2" options.
              \_ the prime benefit to pine's built in editor seems to be
                 that if your connection is reset in the middle of writing
                 an email (common as my company gets inet through pbi BLAH)
                 there is a possibility of recovery.  i've switched to
                 mutt/vim and this is the only thing that i miss.  any
                 suggestions on how i can replicate the recovery
                 behavior?
                 \_ screen!
                 \_ correctly configured vim leaves behind a swap file,
                    from which you can later recover using vim -r.
              \_ I find standard vi (nvi) to be just fine.  It can do autowrap,
                 if you want spell checking, you hit 'i' in mutt (for ispell),
                 and I've never had a problem with backspace...  --dbushong
2000/8/20-21 [Reference/Celebration] UID:19052 Activity:nil 66%like:17853 66%like:19941
4/141   Happy birthday, chris!
2000/8/20-22 [Computer/Domains] UID:19053 Activity:low
8/20    What's a good cheap provider for dedicated web hosting? I need about
        20 mb of disk and a domain name and prefer to deal with nice people.
        Looking for something in the $15-$40/mo price range.
        \_ I'm using both http://best.com and http://he.net.  Unfortunately http://best.com
           was bought out by verio, and they are slowly killing it.
           I didn't have any problems with http://he.net.  They are cheap --
           I didn't have any problems with http://he.net.  they are cheap --
           I signed up when they had a $5/mo promotion.
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