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2000/8/8 [Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Health/Women] UID:18916 Activity:high
8/7     http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/03/it.women/index.html
        I've got tape drives, nerf guns and stock options. Don't need no
        steeking women in my work place.
        \_ Most girls lose interest in math/science from 11-15. Why can't
           we just accept this fact and just let it be. Girls are good at
           GUI. Guys are good at core. Fuck this equal pay, equal right
           shit.                                                -guy
        \_ Dr. Anita Borg. Heh. Her names Borg. Heh. Heheheh.
        \_ "At lunch they would just talk about...wires and machines."
           Whoa, that sucks-- this lady was working with a bunch of people
           who actually liked their jobs enough to talk about them
           outside of the office.
                \- seems to me this is what leads to the so-called "ageism"
                in the valley as well ... would you rather hire a guy who
                goes hometo the wife and kids or hangs out at work and hacks?
                these people complaining just need to deliver where it counts:
                productivity. it would be one thing if the women were
                complaing about being hit on and such. --psb
                \_ Yeah, psb has got it right on.  Nothing improves my
                   productivity than chicks in the workplace.  Down-to-
                   earth, productive, nice-smelling women.  I am so
                   motivated -- it's such a pleasant working environment
                   I can code forever with that 50:50 M/F ratio that
                   I've missed so long ago from before college.
                \_ Some guys who go home at 6-7 PM also get in at 6-7 AM.
                   The kids that come in at 11-12 PM and leave at 2 AM only
                   spend a few more hours at work and generally are not
                   as effective for lack of experience. I would prefer
                   a mix of old and young on my development team in order
                   \_ i prefer a special computer selected team with masks that
                      give everyone special powers and ordinary vehicles that
                      turn into fighting platforms!
                      \_ No good -- I'd get stuck working with T-Bob.
                        \_ We have developed AI to such a degree that the AIs
                           now do all the programming at my company.  It
                           became a problem though when they formed a union.
        \_ I do not trust Dr. Borg.
        \_ If society is sending a message to women/girls that they aren't
                   build a good product.
                \_ It's bullshit.  If productivity is the goalpost, pay
                   according to actual productivity, not dumb prejudices.
                   Companies would rather hire a 20-something who goofs off
                   24/7 than a 50-something who actually has work ethic but
                   only works five days out of the week.  That's ageism, or
                   at least stupidity.  And yet it's what's done.
                   \_ Let us know when you found the perfect company.  What
                      you're forgetting is the 50 year olds who spen 40hrs/wk
                      fucking around vs. the 20somethings who spend 100+ doing
                      great work.
           capable of working with computers (math, etc.), then I think that
           is terrible and something that should be remedied.
           However, all the discussion i have seen about the shortage of
           women in the computer industry is about the fact that women
           don't want to work with the kind of people who generally work
           with computer.  Well, if that's the case, then fuck them.  I find
           that argument absolutely galling.  What's the solution, stop
           geeks from going into the computer industry and replace them with
           actors and models and frat-boys or something?
           \_ That's the Trilogy model.
           \_ Women don't go into computers, generally, because they're not
              very bright and only want to be pregnant.
2000/8/8 [Uncategorized] UID:18917 Activity:nil
8/7     WTF is sanitizing the motd!?!
        \_ It means to make it sanitary.
           \_ W as in WHO not as in WHAT!
2000/8/8 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:18918 Activity:very high
8/7     Anyone know how OpenBSD's NFS implementation compares with Linux
        and Solaris? URL okay.
        \_ anything (except irix) is better than the linux implementation.
            However, oddly enough, I think I heard that one of the
            other *BSDs had better NFS than OpenBSD.
            And of course, Solaris practically IS NFS. It's virtually
            the reference platform.
            \_ I'm thinking about switching my Linux box (RH 4.2 + 2.0.36
               kernel) over to run Solaris x86 because it has Sun NFS.
               But Solaris x86 a pretty fringe system, so I don't know
               if everything will be up to snuff like on a Sparc box.
               I installed OpenBSD and I really like it, that's why I'm
               asking for a comparision. I'm not looking for performance,
               I prefer stability and reliability, ie good v2 and possibly
               v3 support.
               \_ what do you mean by a "fringe system"??
                  \_ Not as many users as *BSD/Linux on x86.
            \_ strange that an OS that actual tried to heed user needs
               has better nfs than openbsd.
               \_ Which *BSD has good NFS support? AFAI can tell OpenBSD
                  seems pretty userfriendly but I've only been running
                  openbsd for 3 days now. The FreeBSD install was not as
                  nice/easy as the openbsd install.
            \_ Solaris, though Sun says it's the ref platform, it actually
               not totally in accordance with Sun's own ONC spec.
               \_ So you're saying that I should be okay with Solaris x86?
                  How does Solaris x86 on a P150 compare with a SS10/20
                  in terms of speed (network responsiveness under high
                  load) and stability?
                  \_ disk response will be better on an SS20, I think,
                     unless you're spending a lot more on the intel
                     hadware than it sounds like you are.
                     \_ I have a resonably fast SCSI card (20 mb/sec)
                        with some 7200 RPM drives (1 & 2 GBs) so my
                        disk perf should be on par with SS10/SS20, I'm
                        more interested in the general robustness of
                        Solaris x86 compared to Solaris Sparc.
                        \_ depends on the hardware you have. If its all
                           solid quality, and on the HCL, then you will
                           have a very solid system with Solaris x86.
                           Some ISPs who are willing to actually pay for
                \_ I feel that your mother is a terrible security concern.
                   \_ If she wanted to she could hack into my computers
                      without trying very hard. She's been coding since
                      PDP-11 days.
                           their UNIX, have been running on solaris intel
                           for a few years now.
        \_ you are running openbsd, a pretty secure OS.  you are wanting
           to run NFS, which is essentially rootkit for unix.  hmm.
           \_ For my file server behind my firewall. Not afraid of
              hacking by my users (mom, dad, me, and my brother).
        \_ <DEAD>innominate.org/%7Etgr/projects/tuning<DEAD>
2000/8/8 [Health/Disease/General] UID:18919 Activity:nil
8/7     http://www.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/top/docs/ward080700.htm
        "I want to Blow Up Silicon Valley".  I wonder whether this will
        be worthwhile to watch.
2000/8/8 [Uncategorized] UID:18920 Activity:low
8/7     What are really scenic places/landscape in upstate NY?
        (Well, other than the big waterfall)
        \_ TJ Watson Labs
          \_ i thought that was just outside nyc.
2000/8/8 [Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:18921 Activity:high
8/8     I keep getting email and phone calls from this female recruiter.
        I've been nice in saying that I'm not interested, but she's persistent.
        Has anybody ever confronted a headhunter like you would a telemarketer?
        I'm thinking of saying shit like "yeah, I'll take the job, but only
        if you give me a BJ everyday." or some shit like that to piss her off.
        Will this have a detrimental effect on me? Hunters trade resume
        databases and I'm wondering if pissing them off would make me look
        bad when I decide to move on.
        \_ Actually she might do it.  Careful what you wish for.
        \_ It would have the detrimental effect of turning you into an ass.
        \_ What comes around goes around.  -god
        \_ Do what I do. Say, "I've already turned down offers for 1% +
           150K. I'm already happy where I am, and I don't think you'll be
           able to provide monetary or other incentives for me to leave."
           Worst case, she wants you even more, gives you a big ass offer
           that competes with some number you made up, or puts you on her
           list with her friends as "Top talent". Or she stops calling
           and puts you on the lying asshole list.
                \- use an amplification attack: make them do something
                that involves a lot of work for them and little work for you.
        \_ You should be happy that a nerd like you is getting phone and
           email from a female. -- social science major
                                                                        --psb
                   \_ Like a BJ everyday.
2000/8/8 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:18922 Activity:high
8/8     I have a linux box running firewall/nat connected to my dsl
        line. It also serves a few web pages, mail and ssh logins.
        Is it safe to mount (nfs client) user home directories from
        my internal file server? I have the appropriate ports filtered
        by the firewall for incoming traffic from the internet. If
        it is unsafe, what is the recommended way to provide user
        home dirs for remote logins and /~user web pages?
        \_ dunno if you use redhat, but there's some recent NFS remote root
            exploit vulnerablities you need to patch.
            link:www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2000-043-03.html
            While they claim there is no known exploit, the script kiddies
            have one. -ERic
            \_ you gave it to them, didn't you ERic?
            \_ I'm not affected, I'm running RH 4.2 + patches + upgrades.
                \_ As far as you know....
2000/8/8 [Academia/Berkeley/Ocf] UID:18923 Activity:insanely high
8/8     I want to use scp/ssh without a passphrase from my OCF account
        to soda.  I've copied my OCF ~/.ssh/identity.pub to soda
        ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, and also added my OCF account to soda
        ~/.rhosts.  But OCF asks me for the OCF passphrase.  What am I
                    \_ Are you using a passphrase with your OCF identity?
                       If so, use 'ssh-keygen -p' to remove it.
                       \_ That works, but isn't it bad to have no
                          passphrase?  Besides, I have a passphrase
                          on soda and I can get to OCF without soda asking
                          me for a passphrase.  I have a passphrase
                          on OCF and when I try soda it asks me for
                          the passphrase.
                          \_ That's strange. AFAIK, if you have a passphrase
                             associated with an identity, it should always
                             prompt you when you use that identity (unless
                             using ssh-agent). Are you sure it's not
                             falling back to rlogin? ssm's advice is good:
                             use ssh -v to figure out what's really going on.
                             \_ if .rhosts has an entry for the remote host,
                                it's not supposed to ask (and it doesn't,
                                for soda to OCF, but not vice versa)
                                \_ soda's sshd has RhostsAuthentication
                                   disabled.
        doing wrong?  When I reverse the process, I can ssh/scp from
        soda to OCF just fine without soda asking for either a
        passphrase or password (no need for ssh-agent).  Thanks in advance.
        \_ Please post your soda and OCF passwords, and one of our
           friendly help people will gladly assist you.  - root
           \_ And your username. - friendly person
        \_ You cut'n'paste the .pub contents and it became multiple lines
           instead of one long line.  You're welcome.
           \_ I scp'd the file over directly.  Thanks, but that's not it.
        \_ Run ssh with -v option and see what it sez -- social science major
        \_ ?  I recopied identity.pub over and checked .rhosts.
           This is when it doesn't work, from OCF to soda:
Trying rhosts or /etc/hosts.equiv with RSA host authentication.
Remote: Accepted by .rhosts.
Remote: Your host key cannot be verified: unknown or invalid host key.
Remote: The host name used to check the key was 'conquest.ocf.berkeley.edu'.
Remote: Try logging back from the server machine with the canonical host name !
Server refused our rhosts authentication or host key.
           Now this is when it works, from soda to OCF:
Trying rhosts or /etc/hosts.equiv with RSA host authentication.
Remote: Accepted by .rhosts.
Received RSA challenge for host key from server.
Sending response to host key RSA challenge.
Remote: Rhosts with RSA host authentication accepted.
Rhosts or /etc/hosts.equiv with RSA host authentication accepted by server.
        \_ Crap, full discussion blown away on motd restore.  Am I ever
           going to get scp without pass{word|phrase} prompting to work?
                \_ Go read ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v then
                   \_ I did.  Let's continue then:
        \_ What was this process of "added my local machine's host key
           to my known_hosts".  I blew away the existing entries in my
           ~/.ssh/known_hosts and re-ssh'd in from soda and OCF and vice
           versa to re-create these keys.  Is this what you mean?
           \_ This sounds like it should work. I added my local host
              key manually (man sshd for format) since I'm behind
              a firewall.
              \_ foo.  I'm thinking it's some kind of ssh 1.2.26/27
                 discrepancy.  I must train harder.  Thanks for the help.
2000/8/8-9 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:18924 Activity:high
8/8     What's the rule in pronuciating Jewish names? For example, is
        Epstein pronouced as ep-stine or ep-steen? Is Feldsenstein
        pronouced as feldsen-stine or feldsen-steen?
        \_ MY NAME IS FRANKENSTEEN!
        \_ In original Yiddish, it's pronounced like English -stine or -shtine
           (the choice between the two depending on dialect/preference);
           however, many Americans with these names have long since forgotten
           what Yiddish is, and some will pronounce it as -steen as well.
           So use the former by default, unless you've heard the
           person in question pronounce it himself. AFAIK, the same goes
           for German surnames with the same suffix.   -alexf
           \_ thats because "yiddish" basically IS german.  aka
               "Hebrew with a german accent"
        \_ there are jews all over the world, speaking probably over 100
           languages, including chinese. to attempt to find consistency accross
           aall these languages' names is impossible.
           \_ there are jews all over the world but they are mostly two kinds
              left these days, and of those two the eastern european jew is
              the most prominent, especially in America.  Stop being such an
              ass.  -jewboy
        \_ Racist.  That's not funny.
           \_ http://www.icebox.com
           \_ SCHNELL!  JUDEN!
              \_ Yay!  Holocaust jokes!  Fucking idiot.
2000/8/8 [Uncategorized] UID:18925 Activity:nil
8/8      I want to buy samurai shodown (any version) for the gameboy.. I can't
         find it anywhere - tried online searches. I know it exists. Anyone
         know where I can get it, or where I should start looking?
2000/8/8-9/1 [Uncategorized] UID:18926 Activity:high
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2000/8/8-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:18927 Activity:very high
8/8     Soda time is off by 9 minutes.  Is anyone going correct it?
        \_ there's only 3 people with root now.
                \_ does that mean less arbitrary happy squishage?
                   \_ no.
        \_ No.  Time is relative.  Nothing needs correcting.
                \_ Then it's relatively wrong.
        \_ "Time be time, mon."
                        \_ Sometimes.
2000/8/8-9 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:18928 Activity:very high
8/8     anyone notice http://www.google.com/bsd or /linux?
        \_ Yes.
        \_ they don't have /solaris or /hpux
           \_ Nor do they have /dork but so what?
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