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8/2     http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/FredMoody/moody.html
        \_ yeah, that's why I run openbsd - paolo
                \_ Me too but that isn't why the guy is wrong.
                   \_ I'm running FreeBSD instead of OpenBSD
                      because Free has a native jdk. I know its
                      not as secure, but I gotta have servlets.
                \_ By the logic used in the article, OpenBSD sucks because
                   he'd add together all the BSD OS'es to get a "total BSD
                   count" which then applies to all BSD's.  (His "total
                   Linux count" is Redhat + Debian + SuSE + ..., ignoring
                   that they all share code so he's just counted the same
                   bug 5 times.)
        \_ openbsd notwithstanding, this guy is a moron. perhaps
           time-to-patch might be a teeeny issue? or perhaps calculate
           damage from 99.99% of the viruses that have ever existed that
           were solely due to M$ OS bad design and compare with negligible
           losses from linux holes?
           \_ The linux bug count simply means that exploits are found
              sooner and more often leading to an overall more secure
              system. I bet that a well admin'ed linux machine would be
              close to unbreakable, whereas an M$ machine no matter how
              well admin'ed would have as many holes as swiss cheese.
              \_ MS machines don't have shell access.  It's the e-mail
                 and VBScript and the address book and the hard drive
                 trashing yada yada yada.
                 \_ You are wrong.  Worse than wrong.  MS has the cmd.exe or
                    http://command.com (depending on 95/98 or nt/2k).  If you can
                    break an MS box enough to be able to "execute arbitrary
                    code and commands", then the easiest thing to do is exec
                    the command interpreter and make it work for you.  All
                    sorts of commands built right in with zero/near-zero
                    security in one easy package.  What you might have meant
                    is that "MS machines don't have remote shell access".
                    This is also untrue.  Go read up on the Eeye hole(s).
                    People, if you're going to talk with authority about
                    something, at least try to make some minimal attempt to
                    talk with authority about something you _know_ about as
                    opposed to something you _read_ about once on the net.
                    Don't babble rumors.  Get the facts.  As far as this
                    article goes, this is just a ad banner revenue generator.
                    I suggest not bothering.  It's flame bait.
                    \_ Your argument is overstated.  You focus in excessively
                       on the technical details in your argument, that you
                       neglect the effective truths.  That is, http://command.com
                       "shell access" is not appealing to the script
                       kiddies who squeal with joy obtaining
                       UNIX root access.  There are things like BO,
                       but when it comes down to it, http://command.com
                       and executing arbitrary code and commands is not
                       the same as multi-user shell access.  I already
                       know about http://command.com, buffer over-runs, and
                       GUIs to http://command.com ... but it's not shell access.
                       \_ Really? Getting http://comand.com access doesn't allow
                          you to execute and install arbitrary code?
                          \_ When all the script kiddies are talking
                             about how great their Windows NT slaves
                             are (as opposed to FTP juarez stores),
                             then I'll begin to take you seriously.
                             But yes, I agree that the technology is there
                             to get effective shell access by hacking
                             through Windows security and installing
                             a nice UI.  And next time please restrain
                             yourself.
        \_ This guy is a dip.  He must have some nostalgia for the IBM
           vs. Apple platform wars.

8/2     What are the flags to get PERL to tell me what modules are installed?
        Do i have to recompile PERL in order to user a PM like GD.pm or can i
        just put that .pm file where it is looking for it?
        \_ perl -e 'foreach (@INC) { print "$_\n"; }'
           With perl5, you can use "perl -V" to get this info and more.
           No, you don't need to recompile perl. Thus the term "module."
           No, you don't need to recompile perl. Thus the term "module." -alexf

8/2     http://www.faisal.com/geek/guns.html
        features jordan hubbard, while still at berkeley.

8/3     I just read the tjb thread on http://ucb.org.csua.  It would be fun to get
        this guy a CSUA membership and let him post on the motd and wall.
        We need some new clowns in the CSUA.  The motd and wall has been
        quite boring since we kicked out a couple of fools.
        \_ This, too, could be yours !!

        Boredcast Message from 'tjb_real': Tue Jan 2 13:07:08 2001

        Miss May 2000 gave me a blow job.  Get off my dick.
        \_ But I am Miss May.
        \_ We should make Miss May an honorary member.
           \_ Miss May can have as much as she wants of *my* honorary member
        \_ i talked to miss may a couple of months ago.  she has no idea
           who trevor is.
           \_ people rarely do.
              \_ that's why he carries the american express card.
           \_ If you were that drunk would you admit or remember what you did
              or said?  I think I slept with Trevor once too but I can't recall
              the entire evening.  Just some vague sense of dissatisfaction.
              \_ I could satisfy you. Are you an anime chick?

8/2     anyone know of DSL w/ static ip in fremont?
        \_ firstworld still gives out static IP. You may need
           to ask them for it, but there is no extra charge.
            \_ still $90 is steep
               \_ Its $69 for 600/384 in the south bay.
        \_ http://speakeasy.net  -chiapet

8/2     What is the emacs equivalent of the j command in vi?
        \_ C-n
        \_ Sorry I ment J (join this line and the previous).
           \_ s-S-C-H-A-M-^  -pld
              \_ I think it's just M-^
              \_ MOTD poll (mark all appropriate choices):
                 My keyboard has:
                 An Alt key:      3
                 A Super key:     1
                 A Meta key:      3
                 A Hyper key:     1
                 A Linefeed key:  1
                 An F30+ key:     0
                 An F60+ key:     0
                 Semen stains:    1
                 An apple key:    3
                 A USB connector: 2
                 A USB hub:       1
                 Headphone jack:  1
                 Mic jack:        1
                 Two turntables and a microphone:       1
                 Too damned many special keys:  1
           \_ Just Ctrl-E to go to the end of this line, then Ctrl-D to delete
              the end-of-line.
              \_ If you want to join to the next line instead of the previous,
                 just give a prefix arg to M-^.  -pld
                 \_ Thanks.

8/3     If heterosexual men yearn for young girls, do gay men yearn
        for young boys? Or is it the opposite? (+ + = +, + - = -, etc?)
        \_ yes , they do. Which is why we need to keep our children away
           from gay sports instructors and boy scout leaders.
           \_ and priests.
        \_ if the mult rule applies, +*+=+, -*-=+, +*-=+, and you apply the
           rule of inference, then, yes, gay men yearn for old men.
           \_ What?  "+*-=+"?
        \_ speak for yourself, reiffin.  -tom
                \_ learn to format, tom. Bad formatting corrected.

8/3     Trevor for CSUA Beeboy!
                \_ WTF is a "Beeboy"? - csua old fogies
                   \_ It's a guy who collects... oh fuck it.  -geordan
        \_ trevorbu@attachmate.com
                   \_ It's a guy who collects... oh fuck it.  -geordan
        \_ Trevor for CSUA Emperor!
        \_ Trevor kicks ass! - tjb #1 fan

8/3     Anybody tried a free ISP like altavista or freeinternet?  How do you
        like it?  Just how much add are they pushing down your pipe?  And
        how much personal info do you have to give out?

8/3     http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu/~alexf/littleX.jpg
        http://www.securityfocus.com/frames/?content=/vdb/bottom.html%3Fsection%3Ddiscussion%26vid%3D1503
        Oh fuck...
        \_ Read further:
           "Netscape Communicator 4.74 and Mozilla M16 are not vulnerable
            to this issue."
           \_ Yes. But. Most people will take ages to upgrade. And forcing
              latest NS bloatware down my throat is not something I take
              lightly. I *like* my 4.0[478]. Liked, rather.
              \_ use lynx
        \_ Just a picture of a little X.  What's the big deal?
           \_ Did you read the second URL?  If you open the little X picture
              in Netscape 4.73, it crashes.

8/3     Drinking Kava Tea is DUI! Friends don't let friends Kava and drive!
        \_ BTW, Just ran across this cool "Don't drink and drive" commercial:
           http://www.adcritic.com/content/molson-wheelchair.html
           -- yuen

8/3     My group, Wicki 6, will be opening for the Irrationals at 8pm
        tonight at Anna's Place in Berkeley.  1801 University near Grant
        St.  -chaos

8/3     If reiffin is a homosexual man yearning for young boys, why is
        he married?  If he's not, why is he trolling soda's MOTD?
        \_ it's obviously a cover. and young is relative, so that's why
           he's trolling here.
                \_ who's reiffin?                       -sophomore
        \_ oh come on, you honestly can't bleieve anyone would marry poppy
           as anything but a beard.
            \_ She's attractive.  What's wrong with you?  You gay?
             \_ 1) she isn't attractive.
                2) she could look like cathrine zeta jones and it wouldn't
                   matter.
                   \_ is that you jj? Get ove CZJ, she's got old foggy
                      disease.
             \_ Who's poppy?
                \_ reiffin's wife
                   \_ picsP?
             \_ Poppy's all right.  She really doesn't deserve this. -ex-czer
              \_ Poppy is a raving, foaming, loon
                 \_ nah, she's really all right.  At least when I was
                    at CZ.  Actually, most people at CZ were cool when
                    I was there.  A lot better than the wife-beaters and
                    self-destructive folk at the more conservative co-ops
                    I lived in later. -ex-czer
                    \_ I think she lost it after she started dating judd.
                       Hell, wouldn't you?

8/3     i am a 61a student working on a project.  someone told me it would
        be useful for me to use a "slashdot" in my code.  what is a slashdot?
        thanks.
        \_ when you are filled with justified anger and rant about some
           linux issue when it is obivous you don't know what the fuck you
           talking about?
           \_ How can it be justified if they don't know what the fuck they're
              talking about?  And /. posters are morons about more than linux.
               \_ uh DUHOY that was the whole fucking point you pathetic
                  excuse for a moron.
                  \_ The whole point was that your statement conflicts with
                     itself?  OK!
                     \_ aren't too bright are ya?
        \_ You misheard me. I said use "pound bang" -- someone
        \_ Slashdot got into your brain.

8/3     leer, anitac, tjb, kchang.   Who else does the csua love?
        \_ dickylee
          \_ benco and farad
        \_ tom and ali
          \_ benco and farad and achoi
             \_ !psb
              \_ cmlee
                \_ yermom
        \_ dickylee, tom, ali, benco, farad, achoi, !psb, cmlee, yermom