Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2000:July:21 Friday <Thursday, Saturday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2000/7/21 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:18740 Activity:moderate
7/20    How do I stop unwanted spams again from commericial vendors?
        I keep getting these messages that have that disclaimer on
        them, but when you reply to the message, you get this sort of

        Message from  <DEAD><DEAD>.
        Unable to deliver message to the following address(es).

        Sorry, I couldn't find any host named <DEAD><DEAD>. (#5.1.2)
        \_ Do you really think that they would put their real address in the
           From: field? What you can do is read the message headers to figure
           out which host the message is comming from and then forward this
           message with the headers to their ISP to get their account
        \_ I frequently forward it to .
           I'm not exactly sure what is done with it there, but the
           practice is encouraged by CAUCE ( and F.R.E.E.
           Put a "I didn't ask for this spam" and your state in the body
           and they (supposedly) forward it (anonymously?) to your state
           senators.  I can only vouch that I haven't noticed any extra
           spam as a result of doing this.  ChooseYourMail seems to be a
           private company that's going for a strictly ethical opt-in
           only spam revenue stream.  Does anyone else have more info?
                 \_ I understand that that FROM address isn't going
                    to be the right one, but isn't that sort of illegal,
                    using that kind of loophole.  wish i could start
                    suing some asses
2000/7/21-22 [Reference/Law/Court, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:18741 Activity:nil
7/20    Looking for a NT/data recovery expert to do 2-3 days work (ASAP)
        as an expert witness for an upcoming trial.  Opposing party claims
        that all data on its stand-alone, NT-running PC was "accidentally"
        erased; the law firm I work for suspects otherwise.  Must be (a)
        technically capable and (b) articulate, calm, and unflappable (as
        you may need to testify at trial).  If interested email timothym.
        \_ You don't need an expert.  If it was accidentally erased, you
          should be able to get it back w/ any <$40 data recovery tool.
           If not, it was intentional and they burned that file real good.
                \_ Fair enough, but *I* can't tell that to a jury; I need
                   someone with established credibility (EECS degree;
                   SiliValley experience, etc.) to sway a jury.
                   Also, evidence that files were intentionally burned may
                   be admissible in court. -timothym
        \_ Has anyone actually attempted recovery?  Your expert's
           testimony doesn't count very much, otherwise.
                \_ Supposedly the user's SA did, but we don't believe his
                   story.  (We've already obtained evidence that this
                   company doctored some e-mails and documents; they've
                   got little credibility at this point.)  -timothym
                   \_ Your expert needs to attempt recovery / inspect
                      the PC, I suppose with the defendant watching.
                      Call up and see what they say
                      about the whole thing.  Otherwise, yeah, your
                      expert can comment on the defendant's testimony.
2000/7/21-22 [Computer/SW/Unix/WindowManager, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:18742 Activity:moderate
7/20    When I press PGUP key when running Solaris xterm, instead of sending
        that keystroke to whatever application that is running in the xterm
        (such as a less pager) xterm scrolls up the contents of its buffer.
        Is there an X resource setting or something to fix this highly annoying
        \_ Yes.
           \_ How?
        \_ Look at /usr/openwin/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm and receive
           enlightenment (or a splitting headache).
           \_ extra hint: canonical name for PGUP is "Prior"
                \_ huh?
2000/7/21-22 [Computer/HW/Scanner] UID:18743 Activity:moderate
7/20    Is there such a thing as a document only scanner?  I have a lot of
        documents (8.5 x 11) that I need scanned in.  Flat bed scanners won't
        work for me because I have to put in the pages one by one.  Big waste
        of time.  Is there such a product on the market?
        \_ If you didn't care about quality, you could fax them to a computer.
        \_ there are many scanners with page feeders
                \_what a brilliant idea..  good thing i didn't throw away
                  my fax modem..
            \_ such as???  Every scanner I've seen is a standard flat bed
               scanner.  I've never seen one with a page feeder.
               \_ UMAX 2400S is one. There are many. --dim
            \_ Moron.  Get out of Kansas.
2000/7/21-22 [Computer/Networking] UID:18744 Activity:high
7/20    Do any of you soda sysadmins use SNMP-based network management
        software, like HP Network Node Manager?  It seems to me like
        these things are too huge and too general for the network
        engineers they'd be marketed toward.
        \_ what do you mean by manage?  monitor, configure, map, or all?
           \_ conceivably all, but mainly monitor > map > configure
        \_ My opinion of them was they are big and bloated and dont really
           monitor what I want monitored.  They're a nice product for MIS
           morons who have lots more money than clue, and want to have
           pretty maps and whatnot to give woodies to the pointy hairs.
                \-some of these products are ok, but in some cases
                "crackerware" [nmap] or hacker tools [tcpdump] are better.
                cetainly these tools are better at producing "pretty pictures"
                for the MIS crowd. It is kind of sad that these add real $$$
                to yoru resume. I would suggest not hiring people who only know
                vendor tools and not fundamental concepts [Someone who claims
                to know Tivoli but doenst know what the tcp handshake is.
                However I suspect more people who use say MRTG would know
                what the tcp handshake was] and i would suggest avoiding
                wokring for people who only care if you know Sunnet manager
                of the HP openview [or whatever it is called] and it doenst
                make and impression when you say "i write my own monitoring
                tools". However, some of these jobs might pay well. --psb
                \_ What makes namp crackerware but tcpdump a tool?  I use
                \_ What makes nmap crackerware but tcpdump a tool?  I use
                   both and not for cracking.
                        \-i'm not dissing nmap. i use it too. but come on.--psb
2000/7/21-22 [Recreation/Dating] UID:18745 Activity:very high
7/21    Anyone out there made the transition from nontechnical career to
        technical? If so, what made you decide to switch and how difficult
        was it?
        \_ I graduated with a bio degree and went back because of
           the Internet.  It wasn't hard because I just made my hobby
           my job, and I was always good at my hobby.
           my job, and I was always good at my hobby.  Why didn't I
           major in CS originally?  The same reasons girls/women give:
           They don't want to sit in front of a computer 12 hours
           a day; I want to interact with people and see new things.
           \_ Silly troll.
              \_ Hey troll-hunter:  want me to post the link to the
                 "troll" news article about women in CS?
                 "troll" news article about women and why most have
                 "troll" news article about women and why an undetermined
                 number (changed from "most") have
                 a distaste in being a CS major or going into IT?
                 Try here,
                 then here,
                 then here:
                 \_ mmm.  Social sciences.
                    \_ Moron.
                 \_ Uhm, that's nice.  A bunch of surveys based on what people
                    got from watching bad movies written by people on type-
                    writers in the early 80's rather than the reality of it.
                    As if being an office drone means something other than
                    sitting in front of a computer all day and just getting
                    less money for it than a tech person.
                    \_ Congratulations.  You got the point.
                        \_ Wow. This thread really deviated quickly.
2000/7/21-22 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:18746 Activity:high
7/21    Is there a way to get root access given (unlimited) access to console
        on a sparc20 box with solaris 2.5.1? The pricks in IS&T are taking over
        a month to fix some things on my desktop machine and I really
        need to take care of several of them to get anything done, at risk
        of pissing off IS&T. Please withhold the "if you don't know how to
        do this, you shouldn't have root anyway" flames; i know how to fix
        what I want fixed, while not fucking up anything else.
              \_ Well, if the other things fail you could try:
                 I haven't done this, and don't know whether it will work with
                 your model+keyboard. --Galen
                 \_ Thank you kindly. This worked like a charm after
                    a few small corrections (s/1\@/@/g).
                    \_ How do you find the memory address of the process?
                       ps -lp gives me a ? for ADDR
                       \_ It didn't do that for me; make sure you're running
                          /usr/bin/ps though (/usr/ucb/ps, for one, has
                          entirely different flags). If that fails, poke
                          around in /proc/$$/, it's probably visible from
                          somewhere in there (try bytes 0x48-0x4B of
                          /proc/$$/psinfo). Make sure to check the current
                          contents of *(process_pointer)+0x18 first, and see
                          if it matches your current ruid (or risk clobbering
                          something random in memory)
        \_ Boot from CD. -tom
           \_ No CD drive (or floppy for that matter)
                \_It is likely that your box was installed over network and
                  the install server is still acting as boot/install server.
                  In this case you can boot of the network by typing "boot net"
                  from open boot prom. This is equivalent to booting from CD.
                  Of course, this wouldn't work if boot prom is password
                  protected. In this case you might need to swap the prom chip.
                  Though, if your box is also locked then you can't get root
                  without breaking things.
                \_ Borrow a cdrom - the CSUA has a sun-compatible one.
           \_ unless of course they set a prom password, in which case you're
              pretty hosed.
                \_ or swap in a prom.  Or swap in a disk with your favored
                   configuration.  With physical access it's always
                   possible.  -tom
                   \_ Mmm..physical access.. *drool*
        \_ They all say they know how to fix what they want fixed without
           fucking up anything else. Why don't you talk to their manager
           or have your manager talk to their manager? If it's truly
           preventing you from getting work done then it's a big deal and
                                       i'm an intern. it's not _/
           taking matters into your own hands will just mask a problem. Maybe
           IS&T is short-staffed and enough complaints will allow them to
           hire, for example. --dim
           \_ IS around here is absolutely hopeless. Trust me, this is the last
              \_ Well, if the other things fail you could try:
                 I haven't done this, and don't know whether it will work with
                 your model+keyboard. --Galen
2000/7/21-22 [Uncategorized] UID:18747 Activity:nil
7/21    Has anyone here used either Megapath or Phoenix as your DSL
        provider?  Please email me.  --nevman
2000/7/21-22 [Politics/Domestic, Politics] UID:18748 Activity:nil
7/21    What's the story behind the whole prince of norway thing?  Is he
        still a student here, or was he ever?
        \_ He was (poli sci/international politics); graduated last year. Or
           so saith the Daily Cow:
        \_ Why?  Looking for a royal lover?
2000/7/21-22 [Reference/Celebration] UID:18749 Activity:low
7/21    Happy Birthday Kenji!  (Hope you enjoy the nice high NTAP stock
        price we got you by all chipping in and buying shares.)
        \_ Oh dear.  Who wrote this now?  It has an alanc feel to it,
           so if you aren't Alan you can play him on the internet 8-) -kenji
2000/7/21 [Uncategorized] UID:18750 Activity:nil
7/20    It's not that easy being green;
        Having to spend each day the color of the leaves.
        When I think it could be nicer being red, or
        yellow or gold-
        or something much more colorful like that.
            \_ isn't green supposed to the subconciously horny color?
                \_ Frikkin' Apple Groupie
2000/7/21-22 [Uncategorized] UID:18751 Activity:nil
7/21    Anyone try to buy tickets using moviefone by web or by
        phone (415-777FILM)?  Their interface is horrible!  How do
        you buy tickets?  (what are the exact buttons?)
        \_ Yeah, their interface blows.  Whether or not you can buy tickets
           depends on the theater he movie is playing at (some theaters just
           don't support purchasing tickets via 777FILM or the site).  Most
           likely, you were just looking at a listing where online/phone
           purchase wasn't available. -dans
2000/7/21-22 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:18752 Activity:kinda low
7/21    Anyone do a transition from tech to non-tech career?
        \_ yes.  from tech -> real estate broker/stock guru.  Make more money
           than 99% of you coding monkeys out there. Only founders can match
           the cashflow I generate.  A single real-estate transaction I do
           is worth more than your typical .001% share in an IPO.
           \_ Uh... Who said 0.001%?  Try 0.2% minimum.  Higher usually.  I
              think you need to rethink your monetary calculations.  I think
              you really missed the money plane.  At least you caught the bus.
2018/12/18 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
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