7/12    Is it morally acceptable for a married man to attend his buddy's
        bachelor party?
        \_ What's the matter with you?  Morality is relative.  By the
           way, it's okay to sleep with your buddy's fiancee because
           she can make decisions on her own and doesn't need a man
           to "save" her or think for her.

7/12    gAck!  I'm using Tera Term and I'm having trouble with backspace --
        I keep getting a ^? when try to backspace in my mail editor.
        Backspace is otherwise fine when I'm at the % prompt or in Pine.
        \_ stty erase ^\?
        \_ Also, Setup -> Keyboard

7/12    I'm a middle-aged woman and a horny soda geek keeps coming on to
        me. How can I get rid of him?
        \_ You don't.  Just think of that 36 year old teacher in seattle
           that fucked the 11 year old.  Go for it girl!
                \_ He was 11?  I thought he was at least 13 or 14.
        \_ Talk about how much you love to douche.  Douche, douche!
             "penis" --oj
          \_ Make sure he's not a netrek player before you say the word
             "douche" --oj

7/12    You heard it here, first: Microsoft is moving to B.C.!!
        (see suspcious thread below asking about B.C. taxe rates!!!!!)
        \_ Which one is moving?
           \_ B.C.

7/12    dans startup got funded.
        \_ so was pixelon. so?
           \_ but we're much hipper and sexier than they are.
        \_ cool.  is he looking for a ceo?
           \_ ksinger is the ceo.
           \_ http://www.adjectivity.com - apparently they're doing cell
              phone shit, too.
        \_ infoP(lease)
           \_ http://www.adjectivity.com -
              \_ From the Web site:
                 "They believed that consumer software, long been (sic) a
                  hostage of computer scientists, needed to be designed by
                  consumers themselves. Setting a course that would eventually
                  lead to the creation of Project Voyager, the founders formed
                  Adjectivity Corporation to guide the project to market."

                So what are they saying? That they invented the focus group
                and user testing as part of their heroic drive to PROJECT
                VOYAGER? Or that software *really* needs to be written by Joe
                Six-Pack using Javascript or Visual Basic for Word (languages
                for the "common man"), rather than by crusty old bald guys
                like bh, hacking away with Common Lisp in their ivory towers?
                \_ i think it mean that computers aren't for just a bunch
                   of lame ass, 4 eyed, nerds anymore.
                        \_ Like that'll ever happen when most people have
                           trouble with the TV remote or the 2x/4x switch in
                           their SUV.
        \_ when is it going to IPO?
                \_ Donate stock to the csua!   -John
                   \_ It will be a good tax-writeoff for the csua

7/13    Anybody on soda using bill pay services like http://paymybills.com or
        http://paytrust.com?  How do you like it?  I want to sign up, but I can't
        get past the trust issue.  The idea of somebody looking at my credit
        card or phone records spooks me.
        \_ Those companies are lame.  Yo can always get the same services
           like that from your own bank.  Most banks offer for free if
           you meet certain criteria such as minimum balance or auto-direct
           deposit.
           \_ most banks offer payments.. but not receiving the bills as
              well (only a couple).  i use paytrust and like it.  only diff
              i know between paymybills and paytrust is paytrust is primarily
              a NT shop and paymybills is mostly solaris.  both have a 3
              month free trial as well (it takes 1 1/2 for your first bills
              to start showing up b/c of change of address).  whatever  -shac
                \_ Just out curiosity, why would you want a third party to
                   receive your bills?  I doubt I would want anyone to see
                   my cellular phone bills or credit card bills.
                \_ And how do you know you like it when you're not even getting
                   your own bills?!  *NEVER* give _any_ third party company the
                   right to withdraw your funds at their whim.
                   \_ it takes a month or so for your bills to start going to
                      them.  you still hafta say "pay this bill from that acct
                      and this much.."  very useful if you travel alot and
                      still want to be able to review the bills in detail
                      before paying.  you can live paranoid forever.  if you
                      use direct deposit then you already gave a third party
                      the right to withdraw funds. who fucking cares? -shac
                        \_ DD is *not* a withdraw right.  It isn't about being
                           paranoid.  It's about control of your life and not
                           giving access to your money to some bunch of fools
                           who are lucky to have Hayward degrees in art and
                           the identity thieves they hire.  Best of luck to
                           you.  I'll keep my own identity, thanks.
                           \_ every DD enrollment form ive ever seen has a line
                              that says you authorize them to withdraw funds
                              as well.. so they can cover their ass if they
                              give you too much money. -shac
                                \_ Not mine.  Not my last one or the one before.
                                   I read that stuff carefully.  Anyway, DD is
                                   still not the same as some random .com
                                   having authority to pull funds to pay people
                                   you may not want paid or just in general
                                   having too much information about you in the
                                   hands of the random people they hired.  If
                                   you were an identity thief, at what sort of
                                   company would you try to get a job?
        \_ http://my.yahoo.com BillPay is cool. 3 month free. Give it a try.
        \_ I use http://citifi.com as my bank, and I get my bills, and I use the
           webpage to have citibank cut checks and mail them to whomever.
           They do this for free.  Best deal I've found.  Total control by
           me, free, privacy equal to a normal bank.  Other benefits to citifi
           as a bank as well.
                \_ WellsFargo and BofA have this as well. Together with
                   http://paypal.com I haven't mailed a check in a while now...

7/13    I really don't see how ZEV or LowEmitV can reduce congestion:
        http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vehinfo/decal.htm
        Is the government stupid?
        \_ Because when the smog is so bad that you can't see, you have
           to drive slower.
        \_ It doesn't say ZEV can reduce congestion.  It says you can drive
           a ZEV to avoid the congestion.  -- yuen
        \_ CalTrans is trying to encourge people to use ZEV/LEVs.  They ahve
           stated that they'll kick them back outta the carpool lanes
           if/when theres enough of them that the carpool lanes start getting
           congested.
                \_ one word for CalTrans-- LAME.
                  \_ Yup...did you guys know that for a while, they were
                     trying to prevent private companies from taking
                     public works infrastructure contracts?  basically,
                     they were hogging up all the contracts and not
                     allowing any private companies to do road and
                     bridge work.  The public was geting screwd
                     as a result because Caltrans would take all the
                     contracts and then the work would pile up, they
                     couldn't handle the load.  So stuff just sat around
                     not getting done.   lots of structural companies
                     were getting together to file a petition to change
                     something in the state constitution so that Caltrans
                     couldn't get away with this anymore, but I don't
                     know if it passed.  But yeah, they're messed up.
        \_ If allowing a few thousand cars into the carpool lanes which
           won't make the lanes any more crowded will encourage more people
           to look at low emission vehicle options, it sounds good to me.
           I've already seen a lot more people interested in alternative
           fuel vehicles as a result of the law.  -cdaveb

7/13    I'm looking for a good resource for finding decent and cheap
        hostels/dorms in Europe (spec. Italy). Any recommendations?
        \_ Hostel International?
        \_ You can find a lot of info on the Web: the world Hostelling
           International Web site has a link to each country's national
           hostelling organization at http://www.iyhf.org/ihyf/world.html.
           Searching on Yahoo for <city name>+"Hostels" works, too.  Buy a
           copy of the _Let's Go Europe_ guidebook and use it to cross-check
           particular destinations you're interested in.  I've used this
           technique for 6 months so far, and it hasn't killed me yet.  (The
           _Let's Go_ guidebooks are for the "I'm a *really* cheap college
           student" crowd; Rick Steves and the Lonely Planet guidebooks are a
           step up, but still reasonably budget-oriented.) -- kahogan
        \_ I second the recommendation for Let's Go and Lonely Planet, they're
           both pretty high quality (I've used both very often.)  Also,
           maybe you can get some info from AIESEC (http://www.aiesec.org
           If you spend the $15 or so for one of their cards (assuming
           you're a student) you can get a lot of discounts on lodging and
           transportation.  -John
           \_ Oh yeah, the _Rough Guide_ books are also quite good.  -John
        \_ At least in the US I've found that the non Hostel International
           hostels were much more interesting than the associated ones.  But
           yah, you should go the hostel route.

7/13    Why do my trolls get deleted so fast?   There should be at least a
        3 day turnaround on those threads.  Special threads like asian girls
        and white guys or dateless soda l0sers should go on for at least one
        week.  -motd troller #69
        \_ aaron, is that you?
        \_ Just breed more.  Works for me.  Maybe you need practice.

7/12    When I connect to a linux box from an xterm on a solaris2.5.1 box,
        the terminal gets all screwed up (underline/inverse don't stop where
        they should, etc); this doesn't recur when I do the same from
        solaris2.5.1->soda or from soda xterm to said linux box. Is there
        a way to fix this without root access? ('xterm' entries in the
        respective termcaps are the same, if that means anything
        [termcap-illiterate])
        \_ Are you sure you're using an xterm and not a dtterm?
           \_ Yes. Wouldn't touch dtterm if they paid me.
                \_ I think there was some weirdness with termcap in RedHat 6.0.
                   If that's what you're using, upgrade.  Make sure your
                   TERMCAP environment variable isn't set and that you have
                   "set term=xterm".  -tom
                   \_ This is RH6.2, I do NOT, once again, have root on
                      EITHER box, term=xterm, and TERMCAP is not defined. Any
                      other ideas? Oh, also, same happenned with RH5.2
                      EITHER box, term=xterm (as is TERM), and TERMCAP
                      is not defined. Any other ideas? Also, same
                      happenned with RH5.2
                      \_ xterm -title "NUKULAR B1FF\!\!\!\!"
                        \_ Well, it's just a length environment variable
                           setting.  If you're feeling brave, you can set it
                           by hand and do the stty yoursel,m too.
        \_ i have a similar problem between ANY non linux compiled xterm
           and linux. redhat needs to die. you can always setenv the TERMCAP
           envvar. i haven't had time to investigate this, so i just run
           "xterm -display sgi-machine:0" from the piece of shit linux machine.

7/13    How can I redirect a web page to another page automatically on
        loading?  I've checked lots of HTML guides and have seen this
        happen before (no CGI) but can't find the code
        \_ In <HEAD> section:
           <META HTTP-EQUIV="Refresh" CONTENT="0; URL=<DEAD>new-url/"<DEAD>
           Change 0 to N to delay by N seconds. This is a means of
           mimicking HTTP headers in HTML, and is not 2.0-standard, so
           may not be supported by some of the oldest browsers. Anything '96
           and up is more or less guaranteed to support it. -alexf
           \_  thanks!
                \_ You're better off with a server side redirect but meta-
                   refresh will work if you're stuck on geocities or some
                   other garbage site.

7/13    When I was 18 I could jack off up to 8 times a day. Now at 30 I
        can only jack off 3 times a day. Is this decrease of performance
        normal for a guy?
        \_ Gee, are you sure it's a decrease in performance?  Maybe
           your masturbation is more effective now.

7/13    What's the equivalent on NT of "|&" (csh)
        \_ linload. or install a port of one of the shells.
        \_ what does that do?
           \_ The following in csh and tcsh:
              command |& foo
              is the same as, in sh, ksh, and bash:
              command | foo 2>&1
              And means "send both stdout AND stderr to program foo, on
              stdin"
              \_ You mean: command 2>&1 | foo
                 \_ Right, ack.  I always get those backwards.

7/14    Anyone want to fly from Oakland to LA and back this weekend? I
        bought a ticket on http://priceline.com but something came up and those
        bastards wont let me change it. mail me for details.    -rory
        \_ how will you transfer?  They are strict about those.

7/14    What is the easiest way on a unix box to find what the last
        thing written to a disk (parition) was?
        \_ touch foo; echo foo
          \_ Ho ho ho.  Well you could um use a find command or um
             use ls with the -t argument but um either of these
             might require sorting on the date...you can probably
             sleuth by looking for the most recently written-to
             directory depending on your Unix, iterate.  The most
             basic I would try would be: % find <path> -mtime -1 -ls
             and scan the output for the latest file.
        \_ What are you trying to do?  Usually these sorts of random motd
           questions are best done in an entirely different way than what
           the poster thinks they need.
             \_ you are correct.  I had an errant process (big brother install)
                eating up disk space on /usr (why it wasn't using swap i
                don't know) and no file was being changed/written.  When
                I killed the process all my disk space came back. -TOP
                \_ It was writing to an inode which was no longer referenced
                   by any directory (so it didn't show up as a "file").
                   When the process exited, the inode's last reference went
                   away and the disk space was freed.

7/13    Who's censoring the squirt ride and underhill movie night???
        And why?  Squawk and squirt ya chicken shit!

7/13    Pictures from the Underhill movie night party  and protest
        (more housing less parking) which happens every Saturday
        night all summer, http://www.bclu.org/underhill
        \_ Don't need more housing.  Need more parking.
                \_ UCB needs far more of both.  Housing is more important
                   for incoming students though.
                   \_ I can sleep in my car.  I can't park in my bedroom.
                        \_ If you live that close to campus you don't need car.
                                \_ Sigh.  No.  You're confused.  Nevermind, it
                                   isn't worth explaining.
        \_ all of you new undergrads, and people who want to find
           a different place to live...you guys are all totally fucked.
           thank god i'm out of cal.  -- fucking bitter alum
        \_ The problem with this sort of 'protest' is you're pitting two
           different needs against each other inappropriately.  You should
           be making noise about more of everything.  Certainly the university
           owns enough lands to satisfy both needs.  You're creating a false
           sense of value.  Both are important.  Both should be taken care of.
           The resources are there.
           \_ that was actually pretty sane.  I'm sure someone will
              delete that response
                \_ it's a load of shit.  The university is using nearly
                   all of its space now.  Office space and lab space both
                   take priority (in University thinking) over students or
                   parking, yet office and lab space is getting horribly
                   squeezed.  Where is all this land the University can
                   use?  There are three plots near campus; Underhill,
                   People's Park, and the Oxford Tract.  Underhill is being
                   built on, People's Park is a political quagmire, and the
                   Oxford Tract is getting a seismic replacement building.
                   So, uh, where else do you put student housing and/or
                   parking?  -tom
                   \_ Check out a map of the city with UC owned land marked.
                      It's *everywhere*.  They own a *huge* chunk of the city.
                      I was floored the first time I saw it.  And no, it isn't
                      just the obvious campus and other UC marked areas.  As
                      far as "People's Park" (it's neither), they should've
                      paved it years ago.  It's a criminal sesspool and a
                      waste of perfectly good land.  Politics be damned.  The
                      worthless opinion of the typical city citizen has never
                      stopped UC from doing anything else.

7/13    SQUIRT RIDE TOMORROW!  Berkeley Critical Mass takes to the
        streets with waterpistols, bike cart sound system, couch on
        wheels and more!  gather 5:30 PM downtown Berkeley BART
        every second Friday to leave around 6-6:15 PM.  Dinner
        and bike videos after.  http://guest.xinet.com/bike/couch
        \_ When I was 18 I could squirt up to 8 times a day. Now at 30 I
           can only squirt 3 times a day. Is this decrease of performance
           normal for a guy?
           \_ it's quality not quantity that counts             -30 year old
                \_ tom, is that you?
                   \_ I'm 32 and I sign my posts.  -tom
                        \_ Which doesn't add anything to the quality or
                           usefulness.  Being 32, that is.
           \_ Gee, are you sure it's a decrease in performance?  Maybe
              your masturbation is more effective now.
           \_ Only 8 times at age 18?  See a doctor.
           \_ The more you squirt, the earlier it rots.
                \_ This is a use-it-or-lose-it deal.

7/13    censor this troll
        \_ xxxxxx xxxxx   xxx   Happy   xxx xxx x xxxxxxxx
           (Response censored.)