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2000/7/5-6 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:18584 Activity:high 64%like:18589
7/4     M$ Word question: I want to create two columns in a Word
        document and be able to paste in only side of the text
        and still be able to type in the other. Eg;

             text               comment
             text               comment
             text               comment

         -MS doofus
          \_ Microsoft ActiveDoofus!
        \_ make a table.  -tom
           \_ I could do that, but if I want to paste an entire text
              I would have to clip and paste paragrpah by paragraph. Tedious
              but do able. -MS D
                \_ uh, what are you talking about?  you click in the cell,
                   and paste the whole text.  I just tried it, it works. -tom
                  \_ um...I think he wants to paste into an entire column,
                     not just one cell in a column.
                        \_ if the stuff is in an Excel spreadsheet it will
                           do that.  -tom
        \_ um... Format>Columns?  Or is that too easy?
        \_ learn MS Word Basic scripting language
        \_ How many times do i need to repeat this answer for all M$ questions:
           Download to UNIX machine. Create document columns.
           Upload to windows and import into M$ Word.
           \_ And to save some dufus the trouble of putting this, i'll go
              ahead and put: "But that's not easy for the Windows people
              in my office to use"
              \_ To which I'll go ahead and reply: "spend the 45 seconds
                 and make a CGI out of it"
                 \_ And then I have to support a friggin CGI and host forever.
                    To which I say, "No fucking thanks!"
                    \_ uh, if you don't want to support it, you don't have to.
                        \_ Yes, I do.  BOFH doesn't exist in the real world.
        \_ Press CTRL+SHIFT+F8 to get into "edit block mode" and
           use the arrow keys to make your selection.  ESC gets
           you out.  -gabriel
        \_ You could use ed. There may be a version for Windos Word from
           http://slashdot.org
2000/7/5-6 [Computer/HW/Memory, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:18585 Activity:high
7/4     I want an Ultra 5.  Should I pay the SunStore price or get a used one?
        \_ Whichever way you go, check out the processor specs - some come
           with CPU's with 256k L2 cache, others with 2mb L2 cache.  There
           is a huge difference in performance between the two.
        \_ LOTS of people i know are getting ultra-5s. I'd be worried that
           they are gonna run out of them. Buy now before it's too late!
           \_ Weren't workstations with the UltraSPARC-III coming out
              or something?  I want my cheap, previous-generation Ultra 5.
        \_ I'd rather wait for the next generation Ultra5s with UltraSparcIII
           processors. The current model is a lemon, just like it was three
                \_ You'll be waiting a long time.  The US-III is going into
                   servers & higher end machines, too expensive for U5's right
                   now.
                   \_ Don't be too sure about that.
           years ago. Performance is bogged down by some cheap-ass parts that
           SUN is using, some of which are obsolete even by PC laptop standards
           You get only 4Megs of video memory. The disks on the "cheap" low-end
           models are 5400 RPM IDE disks. In addition to the slow IDE disks
           they don't have a UDMA/33 or UDMA/66 capable IDE controller.
           Their IDE controllers only support DMA mode 2 interface (capable of
           16.6MB/s data transfers). I'd like to find the engineer who designed
           \_ Unfortunately "cheap" is still $2.5K.  Any idea when the new
              ones will be out so I can get my discounted Sun?
           the Ultra5 and 10s and beat him with one of those.
                \_ you can't beat anyone with an ultra 5, they're cheaply
                   constructed and would fall apart.  Beat him with a 3/50
           \_ When are the UltraSPARC III's coming out?
                   instead.  -tom
                   \_ You can beat 'em once before it breaks and that's the
                      one that counts.
        \_ So ... new, not used, I guess?
        \_ Looks like my offer got deleted. I've got a Ultra Enterpise 2
           (256 MB Ram, 2 x 200 MHz USII, Creator 3D) that I'm not using
           and would be willing to sell/trade it to you. ----ranga
                \_ Does it play Quake 3?  How many FPS?
                \_ Can you beat the U-5 price? Then i'd be interested
                   in upgrading from the U-1 i have at home.
2000/7/5-6 [Computer/HW/Memory, Computer/HW/CPU] UID:18586 Activity:moderate
7/4     What is the deal with the cheaper (not slot 1) P3 say in a Dell 667.
        How do they compare to the reg slot 1 type?  Are they socket 7?
        Are they more error prone/slower what?  Why did intell go backwards
        in their design.
        \_ FC-PGA?
        \_ It certainly makes low profile form factor machines easier
        \_ Call Dell and ask.
        \_ the flip chip (FC) packaging dissapates heat much better than
           the slotted versions. it's cheaper just cause it's cheaper to make
           a chip (corn cheaps!) than a chip on a board. Same performance,
           though (except of course, some P3's have a 133MHz system bus, and
           some have 100MHz system bus, depending on whether the suffix
           is EB or E, resp.).
        \_ Go for the EBs.  If it's a non-slot one, it's most likely an
           EB.  The cache is half the size of slot one but it runs full
           speed and is on-chip.  Don't get the E when you can get the EB
           for pretty much the same price.. an almost 33% increase in memory
           performance..
        \_ Actually, I would look for an "E", not "EB".  The EB's are
           already pretty much clocked as high as they can go and go for
           the same price as the E's.  The E's can be clocked to hell and
           back...avg clocker can get about 850mhz out of 600mhz (EB ~ 700).
           Check the overclocking pages on the net for more info.  I found
           http://www.overclockers.com to be a good resource among others.
2000/7/5 [Uncategorized] UID:18587 Activity:nil 66%like:18588
7/3     lame-ass push/pop 50 year old question thread
        \_ The answer is no, because the general purpose machine can always
           do the push/pop nonsense, but may have other instructions that
           reduce memory usage that push/pop can't do.  So, at best, the
           push/pop can only match the general purpose machine but never
           beat it .  push/pop is a subset of the functionality of the
           general purpose machine.   Now stop posting silly shit.
        \_ it LOOKED like a good question, but upon further inspection, it
           became clear that the poster was a moron.
2000/7/5 [Uncategorized] UID:18588 Activity:moderate 66%like:18587
7/3     lame-ass push/pop 50 year old question thread
        Re-pruned this thread due to folks still talking about it.
        \_ so as I was saying, no, it isn't provable.  at best, the push/pop
           is the same as the general purpose machine.
           \_ It is not "at best" the same.  A general purpose machine is a
           turing machine, which is strictly more powerful than a push-down
           stack machine.  Now shut up and go away.
2000/7/5-6 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:18589 Activity:moderate 64%like:18584
7/5     Anybody understand today's dilbert?  I don't know what a "loofah" is.
        The dictionary meaning doesn't make sense to me in the context of the
        strip.

r/4     M$ Word question: I want to create two columns in a Word
        document and be able to paste in only side of the text
        and still be able to type in the other. Eg;

             text               comment
             text               comment
             text               comment

         -MS doofus
        \_ make a table.  -tom
           \_ I could do that, but if I want to paste an entire text
              I would have to clip and paste paragrpah by paragraph. Tedious
              but do able. -MS D
                \_ uh, what are you talking about?  you click in the cell,
                   and paste the whole text.  I just tried it, it works. -tom
                  \_ um...I think he wants to paste into an entire column,
                     not just one cell in a column.
                        \_ if the stuff is in an Excel spreadsheet it will
                           do that.  -tom
        \_ um... Format>Columns?  Or is that too easy?
        \_ learn MS Word Basic scripting language
        \_ How many times do i need to repeat this answer for all M$ questions:
           Download to UNIX machine. Create document columns.
           Upload to windows and import into M$ Word.
           \_ And to save some dufus the trouble of putting this, i'll go
              ahead and put: "But that's not easy for the Windows people
              in my office to use"
              \_ To which I'll go ahead and reply: "spend the 45 seconds
                 and make a CGI out of it"
                 \_ And then I have to support a friggin CGI and host forever.
                    To which I say, "No fucking thanks!"
                    \_ uh, if you don't want to support it, you don't have to.
        \_ ratbert's offering to be used as a scrubbing sponge. -goetz
           \_ Figures, goetz is the only one here who can understand English.
            \_loofah is actually Latin, derived from luffa.
              \_ in a manner of speaking. it's a 19th-century neologism.
        \_ "loofah" is a type of sponge -- it is actually the dried fiber
           of a squash-like fruit/vegetable. --chris
                \_ Hello Mrs. English Major, Self-Righteous Bitch
2000/7/5 [Computer/SW/Languages/Functional] UID:18590 Activity:very high
7/5     "my other car is a cdr" -bumper sticker
        \_ dork.
        \_ This is unfunny whether or not you understand it.
           \_ This is unfunny whether or not you understand it.
        \_ is this some scheme joke?  please explain
                \_ in scheme/lisp, think "car" and "cdr".
2000/7/5-6 [Uncategorized] UID:18591 Activity:moderate
7/5     Anyone have any experience with Lucent tech support?  I've been
        looking around their web page for an age now trying to find an
        email address where I can ask a relatively complicated question
        about one of their DSLPipe routers.  -John
        \_ Hahaha.  And I was trying to find info about the Definity phone
           switch we're buying from them.  Good luck.  --dbushong
        \_ Unless you have a support contract, you're probably SOL.
           dbushong, DON'T DO IT man.  Especially not a "low end" package.
           Lucent sucks. BTDT -crebbs
2000/7/5-6 [Computer/Networking] UID:18592 Activity:high
7/5     I have a computer at home hooked up to DSL; can I do wireless
        peer-to-peer sharing to other PCs in my house?  That is, can I
        share Net access without an access point?  I think this can work
        if the PC hard-wired to DSL has both a wired and wireless NIC,
        and the wireless NIC provides the gateway IP.
        \_ Buy the linksys dsl router - 4 port 10/100 switch, does nat.  $160
        \_ I think so, although I'm not sure if home DSL works the same way
           as business DSL. I think you'd just install a NAT or a proxy on
           your gateway computer.
           \_ Yes, there will be NAT and DHCP, just like if you were
              sharing out on a wired home network, but:  Can you do this
              for a wireless network *without an access point*?  I believe
              I can, but I want to know if anyone's tried this.
                \_ What's an access point?  Please don't delete this again.
                   \_ In a peer-to-peer if PC1 is out of range of PC2
                      it's too bad.  With an access point PC1 can talk
                      to the access point which can talk to PC2.  Access
                      points also typically function as a link to a
                      wired network.
        \_ most wireless cards have a special peer-to-peer setting which
           works without access point, assuming you know how to set up
           routing.  your dual-nic host will have to forward the packets
           between the nets.  see wireless card "domain" option, usually.
           on linux it is a pain because this is usually an option
           set at driver module load time, rather than a dynamic setting
           with the pcmcia cardmgr.  so you have to stop pcmcia services,
           edit core pcmcia options, restart pcmcia services for any mobile
           computer when you move from access point to peer wireless domains.
           \_ you try this?
2000/7/5-6 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:18593 Activity:low
7/5     I need to use the package "netscape.security.*" in my java program.
        Anyone knows where I can download the capabilities classes for
        Netscape?
        \_developer.netscape.com should have it.
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