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2000/5/16-17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:18273 Activity:very high
5/15    Where is the CSUA MOTD FAQ? TIA
        \_ If you have to ask, you don't know.
        \_ /csua/adm/doc/policies/motd  --root
           \_ "The MOTD may not be used for non-University business."
              by that account, 90% of all motd postings are in violation.
        \_ I meant more like the most frequently asked/posted
           threads/questions...and their answers. Should the librarian
           or someone compile the top 16 most common CSUA MOTD Questions?
           \_ why don't you? if you want it done, it'd most likely work best
              if you do it as opposed to asking for _someone_ to do it.
           \_ No.  That's not the libarian's job.  You want them to collect
              walled zinc haiku too?
              \_ hi G!
              \_ Unnecessary.  Already done.  -pld
                \_ as an official part of librarian duties?  No.
                   \_ "or someone" did it.  -pld
2000/5/16-17 [Recreation/Activities] UID:18274 Activity:nil
5/15    A Silver Mt. Zion
2000/5/16-17 [Uncategorized] UID:18275 Activity:low
5/15    Doesn't unrelenting cynicism ever get a little, well, BORING?
        \_ no. -tom
           \_ hear, hear!
           \_ okay, tom excluded.
                \_ tom is always excluded.  theres a reason for that
2000/5/16-17 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:18276 Activity:very high
5/15    I need to write some c++ client/server code using sockets.  Is there
        a nice library to use or do I need to roll my own.  I want something
        which makes it easy to set up a connection and then have the
        client and server communicate via << or >>.  Thanks.
        \_ Idiot.  C++.  READ!
        \_ actually, I have some really sleek Pacsal libraries that
           I've managed to fine tune for above average performance.
           If you're interested, post a followup....
        \_ If you want to use Java, there is an easy way to do it... look at
           the Socket class.
           \_ Thanks, but I was planning on using c++.
        \_ It's pretty easy to do in Tcl.
                \_ Idiot.  C++.  What's wrong with you people?  READ!
        \_ you can buy libraries like Roguewave.  Or, you can create your
           own classes and perhaps buy the Steven's book.
        \_ Using C code, it wouldn't be hard to write your own << and >>
           operators.  Get some sample C code and go from there.  Is this for
           Unix or another operating system?
        \_ Might be useful:
                http://www.gnu.org/software/commonc++/CommonC++.html
           \_ Thanks.  This is exactly the kind of thing I was looking
              for.  Unfortunatl, the documentation is a bit sparse.
        \_ I know this asian chick that does killer COBOL.  I'm
           sure I could get her to send along a pointer or two if
           put up your email addy.
        \_ Perl is perfect for socket programming. Perl is perfect for
           replacing Java and C.
                \_ Idiot.  C++.  READ!
                \_ Yer welcome.  -mogul
        \_ All non-CC+ replies purged.  --not original poster
2000/5/16-17 [Consumer/Audio] UID:18277 Activity:nil
5/15    for your amusement, this is a mp3 from my old band:
        /csua/tmp/TheEyesores_WithOrWithoutYou.mp3
        it's amusing to some, and will be gone in a couple of days (from tmp)
        - read permissions fixed.
        \_ who the fuck are you? -!you
2000/5/16-17 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:18278 Activity:very high
5/16    http://www.salon.com/tech/fsp/2000/05/16/chapter_2_part_one/index.html
        \_ Hint: it generally isnt neccessary to have "index.html", or
           "index.htm" at the end of a URL. It just makes it that
           much uglier.
        \_ Wow.  Bill Joy found Berkeley computers so obsolete that he found
           it the perfect place to study theory.  I wonder if that says
           something about theory.
        \_ Article about BSD
        \_ "As a general rule, programmers tend to have a high opinion of
           themselves. "
           \_ ^programmers^people
        \_ Maybe what would be cool is if CSUA held a departmental history
           day where we get famous people like Allman, Wozniak, Joy etc. to
                        \_ Reply to this was nuked.  Tough shit.  Don't read
                           the motd if repetitive jokes bother you.
           come talk about the olden days and such.
           \_ Invite the UNABOMBER!
        \_ CSUA did the McKusick thing once. -- ilyas
                \_ tell us about the stars!
                    \_ what is this all about? why do we make fun of ilyas?
                        is he clueless?                 -newbie to motd
                        \_ he's one of these commi spies who think they're
                                             \_ commie
                           above us all intellectually just because he's
                           into AI.
                           \_ No, you have got me all wrong.  It pains me
                              deeply everytime some astute motd poster
                              points back to that 'stars' conversation on
                              wall, since it reminds me of the depths of my
                              ignorance on the essential nature of
                              intelligence.  The brilliant minds on
                              soda wall have certainly set me straight once
                              and for all on that, and many other topics.
                                -- ilyas
                                   \_ This sounds like sarcasm.
                                      \_ Bright boy.
                                   \_ emergent behavior?
                                   \_ Wow, ilyas, you're like, y'know, almost
                                      smart or something.
                                        \_ He's catching up to the stars.
                                        \_ we're dying.  dying... -- the stars
2000/5/16-17 [Uncategorized] UID:18279 Activity:nil
5/16    ObSlashdotRepost
2000/5/16-17 [Uncategorized] UID:18280 Activity:nil
5/16    destroy all motd nazis with debt and depression
2000/5/16-18 [Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:18281 Activity:low
5/16    When I write a program in shell script, it rarely tells me
        which line has syntax error. How do you guys cope with this problem?
        \_ sometimes it helps to add -v to the shellscript command line.
                \- depends on shell. try sh -x --psb
                  \_ there is a --psb option to sh??
        \_ In Bourne like shells try /bin/sh (or /bin/ksh) -nv or -x.
            ----ranga
2000/5/16-18 [Industry/Startup] UID:18282 Activity:nil
5/16    When you go to a post-IPO company that grants you stock options,
        what's the typical price (percentage wise)?
        \_ market price on the date granted.
           \_ depends on company.  Some are priced the day you come in,
                some come on a pre-specified date after you come in,
                other combos exist.
        \_ Depending on the company, 0-25% off the market price 0-90 days
           after you start.
2000/5/16-18 [Science/GlobalWarming, Computer/SW/Security] UID:18283 Activity:high
5/16    http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,36339,00.html

        Question: How exactly can you distinguish Voice traffic
                  from other traffic, esp. when you can tunnel it
                  over another protocol like http or you encrypt
                  it using SSL and such?
                  What the hell do the telco's want regulated?
        \_ It's just political clap trap noise.
           \_ But, technically, unencrypted voice traffic is hella
              easy to detect, regardless of protocol.  Anyone who
              knows basic signal processing can write the code.  -blojo
              \_ what's the easy trick? does the spectrum for speech look very
                 specific? -ali
                 \_ What you would basically do is: (a) look for signals
                    that have most of their energy in the 500Hz-4KHz range.
                    (b) The amount of energy and its centroid oscillate /
                    fluctuate with periods that are O(.25 seconds).
                    Basically you can look at docs for any of the recent
                    vocoders and see what circumstances they focus on
                    reproducing... fortunately recognition that something
                    is probably a voice is a lot easier than recognizing
                    what the voice is saying.   -blojo
                    \_ Key phrase: unencrypted.  Solution: encrypt it.
                        \- you know the NSA has a patent on automatically
                        IDing FAX and some other kinds of traffic. --psb
                    \_ i've got something that fluctuates at 4 Hz right down
                       here. -ali
                       \_ Wow.  That sounds painful...or unsatisfying.  Not
                          sure which....
2000/5/16 [Uncategorized] UID:18284 Activity:nil
5/16    Please sign your name below if you think that kchang's account
        should be reactivated.  -- brought to you by the committee to
        reinstate kchang BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
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