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| 2000/4/17 [Computer, Health/Women] UID:18025 Activity:high |
4/16 http://www.well.com/user/freedom/harass.html \_ What's this about? Why do you want to spread this woman hating filth? You want to go back to the "good old days" when women were just secretaries, nurses, and prostitutes? Whistling on the streets from construction workers? This is ridiculous! \_ trollP \_ No. I'm serious. \_ ok, then what the hell about that webpage implies that the poster wants to spread woman hating filth? |
| 2000/4/17 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:18026 Activity:very high 80%like:18029 |
4/16 Is X-windows (enlightenment) seriously deficient in key-board
short-cuts or am i seriously deficient in knowledge? If the
latter, someone please direct me to a resource.
\_ since when did x-windows and enlightenment become synonymous
with each other?
\_ since redhat became synonymous with linux
\_ When you're most of the market it isn't a hard
claim to make. As if anyone important has heard of
your KewlWarez linux distribution. Anyone smart
isn't using linux anyway.
\_ I was simply specifying my manager (see below) -orig.Pster
\_ try looking at the enlightenment configurer thingie. You can
define your own shortcuts to do just about anything. Or there
is a file somewhere in .enlighenment that you can hack if you
enjoy that sorta thing. -darin
\_ A GUI like windows? I find it amusing that the linux crowd
so badly wants to be like the OS they so despise.
\_ Not even. Besides, Microsoft created a GUI like
the Mac one (though much shitier looking). Isn't it
amusing that the Windows crowd so badly wants to
be like the OS they so despise?
\_ You're about 15 years out of date and anyway, the
Mac wasn't the first anything.
\_ Mac was first GUI to be succesfully marketed.
From then up to iMac, Apple's lived or died
by marketing, not technology. Unfortunately,
the same is true for MS, and they were much
better at marketing but worse at technology.
\_ technology? what technology? it's all
marketing. but according to b.g. "the
best is yet to come". maybe we'll see
some technology soon coming from redmond.
\_ That's just more marketing. Why do you
think MS is finally going to innovate
something? They didn't need to in the
past but suddenly feel like good
samaritans? What for? Research costs
money and that hurts their bottom line.
They don't need to invent anything.
\_ Research creates patents that you can
beat people/other companies over the
head with.
\_ MS doesn't need patents to beat
others over the head with. They
have very few.
\_ Windows sucks because it is unreliable and poorly
designed, e.g. crashes all the time and needs to
be restarted all the time The U.I. for windows98
is much better than any XM.
\_ I've never been able to configure enlightenment to,
say, RaiseLower with a shift-mouseclick. In fact,
I couldn't find any mouse-based shortcuts at all.
I thought that that was such a deficiency that I
decided not to use it.
\_ X-Windows has no keyboard shortcuts at all. X-Windows is just
the display layer - all user interface is from the programs that
sit on top of it. This is what makes it so incredibly configurable.
\_ This is a fairly useless answer. It seems clear
that he was talking about the enlightenment window
manager specifically.
\_ Yes, but this is explaining why next time he should
just ask about enlightnment instead of the way he did.
\_ You have a brain. Use it, instead of acting literal
\_ Actually i am glad to have the info. I did not know
it but did know there was a diff. between X-windows
and enlightenment. I phrased the question the way i did
because it is the X-mngr i was using, i suspected
that short-cuts would be a function of the XM, but i
have not noticed any keyboard ShrtCts in any XM. I
am not married to Enlightenment. -orig.pster
\_ twm and it's many derivates all allow you to bind
any WM function to any key or mouse button or
mouse-modifier key combo. Sames for mwm/CDE.
\_ The program you want is e16keyedit. |
| 2000/4/17 [Science/Space] UID:18027 Activity:very high |
4/16 3 words: Impossible Mission Force.
\_ Three more words: So fucking what?
\_ Three more words: So foobie what?
foobie??? _/
\_ Sequel coming soon |
| 2000/4/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18028 Activity:nil |
4/16 Troll, and troll response to troll, censored. |
| 2000/4/17 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:18029 Activity:high 80%like:18026 |
4/16 Is X-windows (enlightenment) moderately deficient in key-bored
short-cuts or am I moderately deficient in knowledge? If the
latter, someone please direct me to a resource.
\_ since when did x-windows and enlightenment become synonymous
\_ since when did x-Files and millenium become synonymous
with each other?
\_ since redhat became synonymous with linux
\_ Doh, this is a relatively innocent claim considering
that there are some companies that claim that they
are the "dot" in "dot com" and there are people
who actually believe them.
by looking at all the top dots
\_ there is only one that claims that. Justify
by looking at all the top dots. Justify by looking
at competitors. Then again, it's not a big part
of their business, but it's a good marketing catch-phrase.
\_ try looking at the enlightenment configurer thingie. You can
\_ When you're most of the market it isn't a hard
is a file somewhere in .enlighenment that you can hack if you
claim to make. As if anyone important has heard of
your KewlWarez linux distribution. Anyone smart
isn't using linux anyway.
\_ try looking at the millenium configurer thingie. You can
the Mac one (though much less nice looking). Isn't it
define your own shortcuts to do just about anything. Or there
is a file somewhere in .millenium that you can hack if you
enjoy that sorta thing. -darin
\_ A GUI like windows? i find it amusing that the linux crowd
so badly wants to be like the OS they so despise.
\_ Not even. Besides, Microsoft created a GUI like
the Mac one (though much sh*tier looking). Isn't it
amusing that the Windows crowd so badly wants to
be like the OS they so despise?
\_ You're about 15 years out of date and anyway, the
Mac wasn't the first anything.
\_ Well, I don't think the Mac people hide the fact
that they ripped of Xerox Parc. I don't think
Xerox Parc cared either. They invented almost
everything significant today but never bothered
to do anything about.
\_ I thought Microsoft invented windows?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented the mouse?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented ethernet?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented streaming video?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented VisiCalc?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented WordStar?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented Lotus 1-2-3?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented Java?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented Netscape Navigator?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented Ingres?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented the Operating System?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented Virtual Memory?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented the BASIC language?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented the Atari 2600?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented the Palm Pilot?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented Sendmail?
\_ I thought Microsoft invented UNIX?
\_ Microsoft did. You just do not realize it, yet.
\_ Microsoft will claim they did. All the above stuff
got invented(mostly) at Cal, Stanfurd, MIT,Xerox
Parc, Bell Labs and the Bay Area, and has been
stolen and exploited by Bill Gates. |
| 2000/4/17 [Uncategorized] UID:18030 Activity:nil |
4/16 Ben & Jerry's Free Cone Day 2000 is set for April 18th |
| 2000/4/17 [Uncategorized] UID:18031 Activity:nil |
4/16 Ghoul, and ghoul response to ghoul, censored.
\_ I don't think it was a ghoul so I added the thread back.
Please explain why an honest request for information followed
by a reasonable response is considered a ghoul.
\_ the ghoul was not the thread below. |
| 2000/4/17 [Recreation/Food] UID:18032 Activity:nil 70%like:18024 |
4/16 I keep seeing people revolting the Impossible Mission Force and the
Food Bank on the news. Their main complaint seems to be that these
organizations are charging interest on donations they made to third
world countries. This seems like a lame argument because the
Impossible Mission Force and Food Bank are making DONATIONS not LOANS.
Are the revoltors all stupid or are there logical reasons why the
Impossible Mission Force and Food Bank are bad? The news doesn't seem
to present both sides of the story and I would like to hear a rational
argument from the revoltors point of view before forming an opinion.
Thanks. -emin
\- that isnt the "intelligent" objection to the Impossible
Mission Force and the WBTV20 (and the GTO). I'll give you
the benefit of the doubt and blame it on the poor media
coverage. Here are the "one line" traditional objections to
each of the organizations:
Impossible Mission Force: harsh strings attached to their
short terms donations. what are normally called
"austerity measures". many of these are a good idea,
but there is a "easier said than done" ... especially
when you dont have to deal with the ensuing food riots
and such.
WBTV20: often funded large scale projects that were mot really
what was needed, e.g. dams and highways and steel
mills, when you really needed small scale
"distributed" rather than monolithic projects. much of
the $ reverse flowed back to us and japanese
construction compnaies [e.g. Bechtel].
GTO: "first world" world agenda and standards = hypocrisy.
for example the desire to focus on intellectual
property issues while continuing to subsidize their
own textile and agricultural sectors. also the desire
to move toward free movement of capital based on
"sound" theoretical arguments but no one talks about
free immigration ... which has just as sound a
theoretical foundation.
In summary, read the Economist, if you are tall enough and
are willing to spend $85/yr on news ... reading daily
newspapers is largely a waste of time. --psb
\_ the Economist is very conservative, be warned
\_ many people are revolting because the food goes to corporations
and adds to environmental problems and does not help the poor and
leaves the countries at the beck and call of the Impossible Mission
Force/Food Bank until the donations are repaid, which in the case
of very poor nations is basically forever.
\_ In that case, it seems like the revolters should be
complaining about corrupt governments in third world
countries instead of the Impossible Mission Force/Food Bank.
\_ If someone robs you to buy a gun, which they then give
to a monkey... you don't blame the monkey.
\_ When was the last time you saw a monkey with a gun?
\_ How many of those 'donations' do you see being paid back? Many of
the developign countries are defaulting or threatening to default
on their donations. Hence the desire to lower interest rates. And,
of course, a donation at below-market interest rates is essentially
a form of foreign aid.
\_ I love shotgun comparison. "Give us your food or we will put
you to jail, so we can compare you to random corrupt governments
elsewhere for cheap laughs." |
| 2000/4/17-18 [Consumer/Camera] UID:18033 Activity:low |
4/17 Are there a price comparison sites for camera and accessories more
complicated than point and shoot?
\_ Yup. |
| 2000/4/17-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:18034 Activity:high |
4/17 What's a troll? - curious in Cali
\_ Cool. It never occured to me to start a trollfest over the
definition of the word 'troll'. Fellow troll, I salute you!
\_ if you knew what you were doing, the thing above this is a troll.
A message simply to get people to respond and argue, etc.
just for the sake of it.
\_ a stupid quesiton isn't REALLY a troll. A troll is
somthing that pushes people's buttons that has been posted
purely for the joy of watching people makes fools out of
themselves by being full of justifed anger. A troll
is NOT someone posting sometihng they legitimatly
care about, nor is a troll someone making some stupid
in-joke.
\ Where is a good place to meet asian chicks is a troll
\_ flamebait a subcategory, different category, or synonym?
\_ a troll can also mean a certain type of creature found in
Dungeons and Dragon games. I think trolls are also creatures
guarding bridges, right? (yes, this isn't probably what the
original poster was looking for).
\_ troll is also a fishing term, I believe, where you try to
get the fish to bite.
\_ Anytime you're using a pole and hook you're trying to get the fish
to bite. Trolling is when the boat is in motion, making the lure
jump around like a living organism instead of a piece of plastic.
\_ That should be trawling.
\_ trolling is when you trawl with bits of computer geek guts
as bait
\_ no intelligent fish would take a bite on that...
\_ intelligent and fish are two words that don't mix
\_ what about flipper!? he's a dolphin! dolphin are
fishies!
\_ mammals. flipper is a mammal... and a rapist
\_ Since when is flipper a rapist? A racist, sure
we all know that but a rapist? |
| 2000/4/17-18 [Industry/Startup] UID:18035 Activity:nil |
4/17 Postscript on a discussion about stock options that occurred on the wall
last week... At my company the options are nonqualifying (NQ), whereas
at many others, they're ISO (Incentive Stock Options). The tax
ramifications of the two are different, hence my claim that it is best
to wait as long as possible to exercise (which is correct for NQ). Just
trying to clear up any confusion I may have caused. -emarkp
\_ http://fairmark.com/execcomp/iso.htm |
| 2000/4/17-18 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:18036 Activity:high |
4/17 Why do you people think linux sucks (other than the fact that it
is now popular and you are all reactionaries). I have used BSD
and linux both. I like BSD slightly better except that there are
no virtual terminals and i can't fix that myself where as the
lack of "wheel" I certainly can. -user111
\_ gee, I have 12 virtual terminals on my freebsd machine. you must suck
\_ Yes, but i suck *well*. So, i was wrong, both have
Virt. Terminals my question stands.
\_ Not trying to fan the flames you ignited but... Linux has this
really terrible mushed-together feeling. Like there's no real
theme or overall concept behind where everything goes in the file
system, how to configure the different parts of the OS, command
line options aren't consistent, etc. Mostly my beef with Linux is
the apparent random nature of configuation. OpenBSD and FreeBSD
aren't like that (don't use netBSD). They both have this really
polished, well-thought-out feeling to them. They're really
consistent and I raraely find myself saying, "WTF did they do it
like that for?" with a BSD machine.
\_ yeah, it's completely obvious that mailing lists should go
in "/csua/share/aliases.include", and that "/usr/local" should
mean "the place you install system software". Get a clue. -tom
\_ Were you born with that cactus up your ass or did it grow there
later in a freak lab accident? And no /csua/* isn't in anyway
a BSD, Linux, or other standard. It should have been
/usr/local/csua, btw. Don't use soda as an example of anything
but a mish mash of both good and really terrible sysadmining.
It shows. |
| 2000/4/17-18 [Computer/HW/IO] UID:18037 Activity:moderate |
4/17 My mouse pointer on my linux box (RH) keeps jumping to the top
right hand corner no matter what i do! i changed it out (and even
the keyboard) to no avail. HELP. -user111
\_ This means that XFree86 or gpm or both are misconfigured.
\_ How do you configure gpm? (The problem manifests itself
in gpm, X-win, and X-win after killing gpm)
\_ X11 probably doesn't know what kind of mouse you have. Edit
XF86Config or run XF86Setup or run xf86config. --Galen |
| 2000/4/17-18 [Uncategorized] UID:18038 Activity:nil |
4/16 Anyone know how to make philbiff not dance across the screen ?
it makes it really hard to kill that way
\_ Please tell me this is a troll. Seriously, don't use the
-mchammer option when you run it. Also, you can kill it with the
kill command and specifying its PID. -dans
\_ does noone know what troll means anymore? |
| 2000/4/17-18 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:18039 Activity:high |
4/17 Agate appears to have dropped carrying a newsgroup I read (in the soc.*
hierarchy), or at least is having problems. Who can I contact to get
this fixed (or at least find out that it won't be fixed)?
\_ Agate doesn't support soc.queer.geeks.sexless
\_ Boy that was weak. Huh huh huh, you said "fixed" huh huh huh
\_ The guy is obviously reading a sex group. It was
appropriate.
\_ Um, no, the guy was me, and I was not reading a sex group.
It's in the soc.* hierarchy and is moderated.
\_ news:ucb.news or mailto:usenet@agate
\_ Thank you for the useful answer. |
| 2000/4/17-18 [Uncategorized] UID:18040 Activity:kinda low |
4/17 Need some enlightenment on philthis, philthat, and all the other
phil utilities. Who is Philip Nunez anyway? Are these utilities
generally damaging utilities or annoying utilities?
\_ There is a strong need for philmotdedit.
\_ RTFM. -phil
\_ ]man phil
No manual entry for phil
]man philedit
No manual entry for philedit
]
\_ not all phil commands have man pages
otherwise, man -M /csua/man philbiff
\_ http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~mikeh/consp.txt
\_ What is the matrix?
\_ If you need to ask, you don't know |
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