3/17 Taiwan election results in. So far, no missiles are firing.
Let's hope it stays that way.
THREAD SUMMARY: "Asian cultures have plagued our fragile planet for many
centuries. They should all be eliminated as soon as possible."
\_ Let the ethnic cleansing in Taiwan begin.
\_ It takes a few minutes to warm up the missiles, hit the button,
fly over the water and get Wolf Blitzer out of bed to report on it.
\_ We (the US) should just tell those STINKING PIG-SUCKING RED COMMIE
CHINESE BASTARD MOFOS in BEJING that if they don't butt out of
Taiwan's democracy, we will bomb them into the stone age. As I
are trying to cosy up with thier kind in RED CHINA at the cost
see it the whole problem is Clinton-Gore are COMMIES and they
are trying to cozy up with thier kind in RED CHINA at the cost
brainwashed by that COMMIE scumback JFK. And the reason that we
of the good decent hardworking liberty loving people of Taiwan.
In some ways you can hardly blame Clinton, after all he was
brainwashed by that COMMIE scumbag JFK. And the reason that we
have all of these problems anyway is because Truman didn't
let MacAurthur take on RED CHINA in the 50s.
\_ I thought the real reason is that Eisenhower didn't let Patten
take on USSR to wipe out communisum altogether right after
Germany surrendered in WWII. -- yuen
\_ HAHAHAHHAHAHA. Take on USSR? Silly child, don't fight a
land war in Russia.
\_ That's the impression I got from a movie. Yeah, Napoleon
lost a land war in Russia too. -- yuen
\_ Why not? - Mongolian, descendant of Subedai
\_ Why not? - WWI Kaiser
\_ Dumbass, the USSR would have declared war if the U.S. attacked
Russia is no longer commie. -- yuen
China. It would have been a nuclear war that the U.S. would
have "won" solely cuz the U.S. had more nukes at the time
But the world would only now be emerging from the nuclear
holocaust that follows.
\_ Bullshit. China and USSR were not allies. Not even close.
Why do you think both have huge numbers of men on both
sides of their mutual border? Partying? Duh.
\_ If they are not allies, why did USSR send all those
technical advisers to commie China?
\_ Yes, but Russia will side with China to take advantage
of the situation if US goes to war with Chian, even
though Russia is no longer commie. -- yuen
\_ Russia is neither more nor less commie than it was
the last 75 years. Russia has and always had a
criminal, dictatorial government. It doesn't
matter what the government calls itself.
\_ As a Chinese-American, I have to say, those Chinese in the
People's Republic are a bunch of fucking punks. Agreed...
We should have done more to crush Mao at the very beginning.
But what can be said...it wasn't in the U.S. interests to bother
with it at the time.
\_ Traitor. The U.S. has this unfounded fear that China wants
to challenge the U.S. - that's not true. They aren't that
stupid, but if you believe those dumbass Republikans
China is going to be next evil threat then stop buying
Made in China stuff - almost all of it helps the PLA get
stronger. It's a fit of irony that you really can't.
It's further irony that everyone is ignorant about
the self-determination of a population when they claim
to be from a country who extols the values of democracy.
The Chinese are not Americans, whether through ignorance
or not, they are much mroe comfortable with auhtoritarian
governments than you are.Leave them be.
\_ You mean the unfounded fear based in part on various top
level Chinese government officials stating in public that
war with the US is inevitable? Chinese like being slaves?
That includes the democratic Taiwanese? We should just
stand around with a thumb up our collective butt while the
communists invade Taiwan because they're "much mroe
comfortable with auhtoritarian governments" than non-Chinese?
That has got to be one of the fucking dumbest things on the
motd all week. I won't even go into the racism thing beyond
the simple mention of the obvious.
\_ The future is always in our interests today. Vision.
\_ Well, Mao kicked our ass at the very outset.
See Korea, North & South
\_ as a Korean, I'd have to say "Fuck Mao!"
\_ No, we didn't fight the real war we could have. It was politcal
stupidity, not military inability. Pick up a book sometime.
\_ Politics is part of waging war. Pick up a book sometime.
\_ Twist in the wind, baby. Keep twisting those words. One
day you'll meet someone dumb enough to believe you.
\_ We can win the Korean war. We can crush Mao by nuking
China. However there is no way we can liberate China
from Mao for KMT at that time. The support for CCP is
too high at that point in time, and it would be like
10 Vietnams.
\_ Actually when Chiang had the advantage in 1947,
Stilwell and Marshall pressured Chiang to compromise
with Mao, giving the Communists much needed time to
build up their forces. Had Chiang kept pressing at
that time, who knows.
\_ Didn't need to free China from Mao but still could have
had a full and complete military victory in Korea.
\_ Not if the Ruskies get dragged in.
\_ Or space aliens from the planet Nemik, but that's
about equally likely.
\_ Why is it not likely? Russia and Commie
China are on good terms then, and Russia
is an ally of North Korea too. It would
be a huge loss of credibility for the
Ruskies if they let their two running
dogs be defeated.
\_ Russia & China allies? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA!!!
Don't be a ditzoid. Only in the last 3-6
months have they even begun to start to
pretend to not hate each other. No one was
launching nukes over Korea. That's the
second dumbest thing on the motd all week.
\_ Really? I thought MacArthur wanted to
do just that (launching nukes). You can
laugh as hard as you want, but it would
not cover up your ignorance.
\_ He wanted to nuke the Chinese. The
Russians hated the Chinese and still
do. Why exactly would the Russians
risk total destruction because we
nuked their hated neighbor? You are
the ignorant one. The idea that the
Russians would risk everything to
help their post-nuked enemy is so
wildly ridiculous that I feel you
must be trolling me. -been trolled
\_ Very simple, if the Russians
let North Korean fall, and then
let Red China fall, they may as
well give up communism and
disassemble the USSR there and
then, rather then 50 years
later. It's called
the USSR version of the dominoes
theory.
\_ You made this up. They don't
have their own version of the
domino theory. Nice try
though.
\_ They may not have a name
for the theory, but it remains that
they understood that to let North
Korea and Commie China fall, they
may as well disassemble the USSR
and give up communism. As much as
they distrust Mao, a US supported
Chiang-Kai-Shek China sharing
the world's longest border with
them would be much more disastrous
for them. You need to learn how
to think from your adversary's point
of view. It's the first step out
of idiotdom.
\_ Don't fight a land war in Asia.
\_ That's what nukes are for.
\_ Don't pull out a gun unless you intend to shoot someone.
Don't point a gun at someone unless you intend to kill them.
If you dont have the resolve, then someone is going to
wrestle that gun away from you, shove it up your ass and
demonstrate the correct result.
\_ USA! USA! USA!
\_ corporate stooge.
\_ Huh?
\_ It's that kind of blind USA chanting that gets this
country into wars it starts but cant finish.
\_ If Hanoi Jane and the rest of her Berkeley spawned ilk were
put in chains and electric chairs where all traitors
belong, it'd be less of a problem.
\_ The problem with the U.S. fighting wars is that if one examines
the historical record, public sentiment for wars that "drag out"
too long are highly unpopular. If Washington hadn't gotten
lucky that one winter, the U.S. wouldn't exist because people
were about to lay down their guns and quit. Anti-war feelings
were even strong in a popular war such as WWII. And Vietnam...
Vietnam was a war of attrition that required huge numbers of
troops to fight a land campaign...and although the U.S. and
South Vietnamese scored an overwhelming victory in the Tet
offensive, the U.S. got fucked politically b/c to Americans,
it never seemed that the war was going to end, even though
we might've scored a military "victory" in a few years time.
When the chips are down, Americans are only in as long as
it looks like we're winning.
\_ Uhm, I think the draft (forcing people to go and fight in a war
against their will) had more to do with the unpopularity of the
war than its perceived duration. Also, you speak of lengthy
wars being unpopular with Americans as though only Americans
experience this, which is at best an inaccurate generalization.
\_ Washington? The "people were about to lay down their guns and
quit" is not the public. What the fuck are you talking about?
This is a total lie. The problem GW had is that his army was
too small, inexperienced, ill equipped, and underfed to fight a
real war with the local school yard bully much less a foreign
super power. There were no Clintonesque opinion polls being
taken on an hourly basis or focus groups being used to determine
if the fight should go on. WWII? Anti-war? Are you fucking
insane? Have you ever met _anyone_ alive during that time in
this country who wasn't a foreign agent? Vietnam? Sure, go
ask Traitor Hanoi Jane why Americans were spitting on their own
at the airports.
\_ I think you're getting us confused with the French.
USA is #1! USA! USA! USA!
\_ It's a matter of acceptable losses. If the PRC is willing
to suffer any number of casualties to take Taiwan,
and the USA isn't, then quite simply, the PRC will win.
\_ 2 mil casualties suffered on the PRC side in Korean War
vs the 60K on the U.S. I think you can safely say they
are very much willing.
\_ Win what? Taiwan? Doubt they can take Taiwan without us
directly interfering. They lack the logistical support
required to move half a million+ men over the straight and
then to keep them supplied. The only thing the PRC can do
to the US is nuke a few west coast cities (SF comes to mind
as a fantastic target). The response with be to glass in
their entire population. There won't be a PRC or anything
resembling civilization after that and they know it. There
is *nothing* the PRC can do but rattle their sabers.
\_ The PRC has the ability to both move and supply the
troops necessary to conquer Taiwan. They do not have
the ability to do so in the face of the US Navy. So
the question is: will the US commit an act of war
against China in order to keep Taiwan free? It is
not a military question, as Taiwan is fully capable
of killing the few soldiers that would make it past
the Navy. Is it worth it to make our allies in Asia
feel comfortable and alienate the largest emerging
market in the world? Of course, China is thinking the
same thing, knowing that the attack if pointless if
we intervene. So it is in the US's best interest to
make it seem that we will, even though I believe that
Clinton would back down if pushed to the wall.
\_ Clinton will back down because he's a traitor and the
Chinese have already bought him off. This has nothing
to with the will of the american people. This is all
about Clinton's treason against this nation.
\_ My point exactly...unless the U.S. is willing to go toe to toe
with a country that has this fucking psycho "we will
win at all costs" mentality, the U.S. will back down.
\_ Clinton will back down because he's a traitor and a Chinese
stooge and his lack act of official cowardess and treason
will be to abandon Taiwan.
\_ Three things:
paper -
Without which, you would be going blind hand copying
texts on bulky and unwielding papyrus, performing self-
flagellation when you made an error, in a damp, dark
monastery. That is, if you are part of the upper-class
intelligentsia. If you are a poor illiterate serf ...
gunpowder -
Without which, the civilized world will still be plagued
by cycles of nomadic expansions, with no answer for the
nomad's superiority in horsemanship and archery.
compass -
Without which, America will still be populated by Indians,
which depending on one's point of view, may be a good or
bad thing.
And these ungrateful pigs want to nuke us after exploiting and
colonizing us for centuries!
\_ Summary: PEOPLE DON"T KNOW THE FUCK WHAT THEY"RE TALKING ABOUT.
\_ Real summary: China has the military might to wear down and take
over Taiwan if the US doesn't intercede. Clinton, the traitor
that he is, will sacrifice Taiwan to the Chinese for the sake of
the children rather than pull a Kennedy/Cuban Missile Crisis on
them and force them to back down. Good bye democracy in Taiwan.
Good bye US credibility to our allies anywhere in the world. Hello
to the rest of the world taking advantage of the new depths of US
weakness and inability to protect our allies or be taken seriously
on anything for many years to come. I'm voting for Bush, not
because I'm a (R). I'm not. But because Gore is already dirtied
with foreign money, most of it Chinese and will lead to 8 more
years of treason in the Whitehouse. I couldn't care less about
the President fucking some pig girl in the Oval Office but
Clinton/Gore's foreign policy, bought off with foreign money,
is treasonous. (The Russians have nothing to do with this thread
and were a side issue full of mis-stated history and conjecture).
\_ MOTHER RUSSIA WILL RULE YOU ALL!!@@@~!!!
\_ Clinton is my hero! The question is: Are you better off
now than you were 8 years ago? Who told you Clinton will
back down if commie China tries to bully Taiwan? Clinton
will give the commies a swift kick in the butt. Who
ordered the carrier battlegroup to sail close to Taiwan's
shores and scare the red China bully when they started
firing missiles into the sea? Clinton is better than
Bush (the father) when it comes to China.
\_ I'm better of today than 8 yrs ago, but not because
of that COMMIE SOB Clinton. It was Reagan who restored
America's greatness and his policies are the ones that
are directly responsible for our prosperity. Clinton
fortunately was more interested in screwing around with
unattractive women than the economy and let Greenspan (a
Reagan appointee) keep the Reagan boom going. If it comes
to a armed Taiwan-RED CHINA conflict, Clinton will side
with his friends the RED CHINESE COMMIE SCUMSUCKERS and
will look the other way while democracy is stopped out.
We need a real KICK-ASS President like John McCain rather
than a ASS-SUCKER president like Clinton. Washington,
Lincoln, TR and Reagan would have dealt with the RED CHINESE
rather than being bought out by them like Clinton-Bore.
\_ Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only thing Reagonomics did was
that even in today's good economy and ample tax
revenues, 25% of the federal budget goes into servicing
the national debt. I sure would prefer to have that 25%
in my bank account instead. |
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