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| 2000/3/6-7 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:17693 Activity:high |
3/5 61 series are using Java. What about other courses e.g. 162 (Java OS?)
164 (COOL Java compiler?), etc etc? Are they now in Java, or still
C/C++? For new students, wouldn't they have to learn both?
-curious 1990 alum
\_ 61a- Scheme, 61b- Java and one week of C++, 61c- C, C++
162 - C++, 164 - depends on prof; hilfy does a Java compiler in C++
while Aiken does a Cool compiler in Java. 169 - choose your own but
most people do their projects in Java. 170 - demmel didn't like
java and told people not to use it. solutions in Standard ML were
provided. our project was written in C. 172 - no programming req'd
but I sometimes hacked together programs to do my HW in scheme
and perl. 174 - none 182 - java and (maybe?) CL 184 - c/c++/Tcl(?)
186- c++ 188- CL and there is a perl decal class this semester.
i haven't taken all these so some of it is hearsay; i started in
1997 -brg
\_ If Berkeley is really serious about hard core computer
science, it would be teaching pseudo academia language that has
absolutely no revelance in the real world (just look at Stanfurd
and MIT). On the other hand, if Berkeley is really serious about
kewl language, it would be teaching Java and nothing else
(just look at community college). IMHO, Berkeley is in between
the useless theoretical academia (Stanfurd) and the ludicrous
industry (community college).
\_ Because Berkeley and MIT are so academically oriented makes
it a very good school for people who want to go out into
the real world. That's why so many good companies that make
leading edge products seek students from universities like
Berkeley. All this theory that you consider so bullshit is
probably more applicable to the real world than anything you
get out of a piece of shit trade school like ITT. I bet you
haven't realized it by now but some of the "bad-ass" chips
sitting in your computer and cell phones wouldn't be there
were it not for masters and PhD students. They don't hire
weenie ass B.S. students like yourself to do something
that important.
\_ Just to name a few:
Kahan (current Berkeley prof) - responsible for IEEE 754
standard and all FP arithmetic on Intels before Pentium
D Patterson (also Cal prof) - RISC, RAID, NOW, IRAM
D Ditzel (Cal masters, auth famous RISC paper w/ Patterson)
responsible for 20 successful chip designs. Now CEO of
Transmeta
Douglas W Clark (prof at Princeton) - lead VAX engineer
that important. Next time you go to a job interview tell
your job interviewer that you think that all professors
from Berkeley are full of shit because they're "theoretical"
and don't use Java and see how far you'll get.
\_ No C++ in 61c, mainly MIPS assembly and a little C
\_ when I was TA'ing last summer, we allowed C++ whenever we
didn't care about their being able to compile-by-hand; C
otherwise. -brg
\_ Sigh... More of the "let's use the kewlest new fad language" from
Cal profs trying to be compu-hip.
\_ clueP? Do you know what you're talking about?
\_ Do you? More code continues to be written in C than JAVA
and this will remain true for years to come.
\_ Good, that's a sensible reason to teach C over Java.
However, this sense is not evident in the initial
comment which presumes idiot profs.
\_ No. Not idiot. Compu-hip kewl profs tagging along
on the latest bandwagon so they won't look like the
dinosaurs they are.
\_ There you go again -- your point is made
\_ And how much code is written in scheme? Why does 61a
use scheme, then? I think it's because it's a good
language to teach concepts of computer science, not
because it's a good language for engineers to use in
a business environment. What do you think?
\_ Yes, true. Fine for a first class. What the hell
is the point of Java other than "We be hip! We be
kewl! We be da with-it Cal Profs!"?
\_ The move to java has let instructors focus less on learning
language specifics and more on theory. There are projects
in 61b that would have never been attempted were it still taught
using c++. That being said, it is true that students tend to
not to pick up c/c++ on their own well enough for upper division
coursework.
\_ In other words, the lower div java crap isn't preparing kids
for what they really need to know to get through the upper
div work? Kewl >> Value in Berkeley CS. Java should be a
9 series course for those interested in fads and nothing
more.
\_ I seriously doubt that the lower division work in any
form ever really prepared students for the amount of
work and "experience" required for upper division work.
The current situation merely stops making pretenses at
trying to say that these courses are "all a CS student
will need" to make it through upper division work, stop
wasting time teaching students something they should
pick up on their own, and use the time to teach them
something they won't pick up on their own. No 61x class
can teach a student the language/programming skills
they need to finish CS1xx work here.
\_ I agree strongly. In addition to providing a strong
theoretical background, I think the most important
thing Berkeley "teaches" is the ability to pick up
new languages and skills. The way this skill is
"taught" is by NOT teaching languages, and expecting
that students learn languages and some other
specifics without being spoonfed them in a class.
I will grant, however, that there are probably more
"in it for the money" lamers today than there were
five or ten years ago. The lamers don't grasp the
value of learning this stuff on their own, and want
to be spoonfed. I think the number of clued folks
has probably stayed pretty much constant over the
years, even though the number of lamers has probably
grown due to the recent tech boom. I think that the
important thing is not to lose sight of the clued
folks even though they're surrounded by a sea of
lamers. I think you'll find that they're every bit
as good as the folks of yesteryear. -dans
\_ There was a time when they knew the difference
between their, they're, and there. Looking good on
the resume, dans.
\_ Corrected oh motd grammar god. I'll take this
as a lesson to be more vigilant about my usage
of homonyms at 3 in the morning. And for the
record: their - used for plural possession
they're - contraction, they are
there - useful little bugger, can
serve (among other things) as
a pronoun and an adverb
-dans
P.S. If that's what they teach in English 1A,
it's no wonder so many Berkeley students are
incapable of composing a coherent sentence.
\_ I was going to say Subject A but I don't
know if it exists anymore.
\_ It still exists and there are still lots
of people who have trouble passing
and/or satisfying it. I AP'ed out.
-dans |
| 2000/3/6 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17694 Activity:nil |
3/5 I'm trying to configure majordomo but I keep getting this error:
----- Transcript of session follows -----
wrapper: Trying to exec /usr/lib/majordomo/-c failed: No such file or
directory
Did you define PERL correctly in the Makefile?
HOME is HOME=/usr/lib/majordomo,
PATH is PATH=/bin:/usr/bin,
SHELL is SHELL=/bin/sh,
MAJORDOMO_CF is MAJORDOMO_CF=/etc/majordomo.cf
451 "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper majordomo"... Operating system error
I've looked in /etc/majordomo.cf and found nothing that would
cause a non-existent program like -c to execute. Any ideas?
\_ well, duh, Did you define PERL correctly? |
| 2000/3/6-7 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:17695 Activity:nil |
3/4 How do I use semaphore+cond variable in Java?
\_ no such thing in Java, only "synchronized"
\_ Perl!
\_ I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but if you can use
mutual exclusion to do what you want, use the synchronized
key word. If you need full semaphores, Doug Lea has written
a concurrcy library: http://gee.cs.oswego.edu/dl |
| 2000/3/6-7 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/HW/Memory, Computer/SW/Compilers] UID:17696 Activity:nil |
3/4 What does a Segmentation fault mean? I have a program with and gdb
reveals that the program segfaults at
while (x == 0) {
It seems to segfault on one machine each time but never on another.
\_ what's "x"?
\_ did you malloc enuf space?
\_ IOW, did you allocate memory for x? Is x defined, or
just declared as a variable? What type is x?
\_ Illegal reference to memory not owned by the process |
| 2000/3/6-7 [Recreation/Food, Computer/HW/IO] UID:17697 Activity:high |
3/6 Can somebody give me some pointers on building a compost pile? I'm
thinking of composting my garabage. Also can grass be "composted"?
I want to find some use for this little pile of grass generated
every week when mowing the lawn. Thanks.
\_ You basically need some kind of box that won't rot. We
had one made out of wood, with one side made out of
removable panels that made it easy to get at the contents
(our compost box was large; roughly cubical, about 7'
on a side.) You need to turn the compost over every once
in a while so that it decays evenly. You can compost
grass, but be careful of weeds (compost is highly
fertile.) Any gardening manual worth its salt will have
more information for you. -brg
\_ Ew. Glad you're not my neighbor.
\_ Reminds me of the "Mouse Friendly" compost pile at Casa Zimbabwe.
\_ I trapped mice in my room when I lived there. I felt sorry
for the little bastards. After a time, they figured out that
my room wasn't a good place to go. I guess they moved on
to someone else's room, since 99% of the folks didn't trap
them. --dim
\_ No. One of your neighbors either trapped them and broke
their little necks or poisoned them which causes them to
dehydrate and then go find water somewhere else and die
there or used a glue trap and left their furry faces stuck
in a plate of glue unable to move or breathe, every twitch
putting them further and further in until someone would
have to pretty much rip the little thing out to free it
which would almost certainly not only kill it but be far
more painful than leaving it to die in the glue in the
first place. The best is when you used the standard
snap trap and get a fast mouse and it nails the head as
it tried to evade the snap bar instead of it's neck.
Sometimes it'll crush the skull nearly flat. Other times,
the mouse is fast enough that it only crushes its face
against the wooden base plate and it survives like that
until you come by hours later and 'rescue' it by crushing
it under your boot or drowning it in the sink or a bucket.
God damn, I loved living in the USCA co-ops!
\_ Yeah, in Cloyne I got 18 mice (in standard rat traps) in just a
week. My neighbors said their mouse problems disappeared too.
Go figure. -emarkp
\_ My CZ neighbors swore my mice problem wasn't their fault
and they had no food in their room. After killing about
7 or 8 with more still running around, I saw the huge stash
of food they were hoarding. Killed another 3, told them to
dump the food or I'd rat them out as food thieves and
wouldn't you know it? No more mice problems. Amazing. |
| 2000/3/6-7 [Industry] UID:17698 Activity:kinda low |
3/6 If you had to choose, Scient vs. Sapient what would your selection
criteria be? Has anyone here made that choice already? If so, what
was your decision?
\_ I'd choose Scient because they have the shorter name. That way, if
I had to write some kind of paper that justified my decision, it'd
be less work in the long run.
\_ I'd kill myself first but not before driving a large truck full of
something interesting into a federal building.
\_ shut up nweaver
\_ Not nweaver.
\_ Scient: pure e-business. Sapient: ERP implementation and a lot of
other crap. -impartial CSUA member
\_ DataMain. --dbushong |
| 2000/3/6-8 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:17699 Activity:nil 60%like:18222 |
3/5 mutt upgraded to 1.1.8; bugs to brg.
\_ http://www.mutt.org says 1.0.1 is the latest version. er? --aaron
\_ cvs snapshots (alpha) are made every night, and
that's what I run at home; 1.1.8 is a "development
release" (beta). 1.0.1 is the latest official
release (final), but i like to have the bugfixes and
stuff that are in the more recent releases. -brg |
| 2000/3/6 [Uncategorized] UID:17700 Activity:nil |
3/3 105467 jenly 68681 ansjory 53079 choo
153476 ccytsao 68093 tchuang 55567 kane
167913 rico 65433 cchow 56671 brucelo
83249 blyon 68165 shieh 43558 ivy
72571 joy 63409 erickyo
72787 muchandr 57753 ying 48865 innami
70711 chiu 59658 andrea 49230 comiso
67657 ramses 53574 egwall 41543 tonyng
68052 sfang 59467 acchang 47311 yule
62210 john 54672 katster 44731 nhut |
| 2000/3/6-7 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:17701 Activity:high |
3/6 Help, I get a lot of junk mail in my USPS mailbox. Is there a way to
setup procmail, or have my mailman procmail my mail? Thanks.
\_ Yes. It's called "hire a personal assistant"
\_ if you hire one, make sure you get one with huge... tracks of
land.
\_ tracts, you moron
\_ Maybe he wanted tracks of land? On the Cal Track
n Field team maybe and needs running room?
\_ Whoa! I've been totally waiting for that!
\_ what is it?
\_ If you don't know it's because you don't know. RTFM.
\_ there's a service you can send a postcard to and they'll act on
your behalf and get your name off of junkmail lists, all free of
charge. i did it and i get practically no junk mail except for
local supermarkets and what comes through from my voter reg.
i forget the name, but i can look it up at home. -lila
\_ Look at http://www.trans-union.com (credit reproting agency). They
have addresses depending on if you want to stop direct marketing
or credit card agencies from sending you random junk mail. |
| 2000/3/6-8 [Uncategorized] UID:17702 Activity:moderate |
3/6 w3m 0.1.7 installed in /usr/local/bin/w3m; bugs to brg
\_ Whoa! I've been totally waiting for that!
\_ what is it?
\_ Yes. It's called "hire a personal assistant"
\_ if you hire one, make sure you get one with huge... tracks of
land.
\_ tracts, you moron
\_ Maybe he wanted tracks of land? On the Cal Track
n Field team maybe and needs running room?
\_ oh forgetit. Just find one who has big tits,
and likes to show em.
\_ Can get that on most street corners in any
large city. What's so great about that?
\_ It's kind of like "rent vs own".
\_ what is this? |
| 2000/3/6-7 [Computer, Computer/Theory] UID:17703 Activity:very high |
3/6 Computer science theory shmatheory. I'm not a phd candidate like
nweaver or dpetrou but I'm making #)(*$)# more $$$ than they are.
\_ You know what they say about fools and their money... -brg
\_ nweaver probably still has far more $$$ than you (gotta love
rich parents) and dpetrou is definitely far more intelligent
and happier with his life than you are. All you have is money,
and that is fleeting.
\_ Nice to know nwaever can afford to mooch off his parents
and join the intelligencia and look down upon us poor slobs
who have to *work* for our money. You have no basis of
comparison between dpetrou and the anonymous person above,
so nothing further need be said on that. -not the above
\- well. love is still better in the end than $$.
( future IPO millionaire)
\_ money can't buy happiness, but it can buy... legos! yesh!
-current IPO millionaire
\_ Money can't buy love but it can buy the alleviation of most
forms of personal suffering. After your basics are met and
are guaranteed to remain so for life, any misery remaining
is your own fault. Go see a therapist.
\_ Money can't buy yer mom, because she is free. |
| 2000/3/6-7 [Uncategorized] UID:17704 Activity:nil |
3/3 1467 jenly 681 ansjory 579 choo
1476 ccytsao 693 tchuang 567 kane
1913 rico 633 cchow 571 brucelo
849 blyon 665 shieh 458 ivy
771 joy 609
787 muchandr 553 ying 465 innami
711 chiu 558 andrea 430 comiso
657 ramses 574 egwall 443 tonyng
652 sfang 567 acchang 411 yule
610 john 572 katster 431 nhut
Figures are in bytes. CLEAN UP YER MAILBOX!!! |
| 2000/3/6 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17705 Activity:nil |
3/6 VOTE TUESDAY YOU APATHEIC MORONS
\_ what, is there an election tomorrow |
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