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2000/2/25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17613 Activity:moderate 80%like:18318 66%like:18337 66%like:18339
2/24    Troll deleted.
        \_ do you know what a troll is?  Are you stupid?
2000/2/25-26 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17614 Activity:kinda low
2/24    Security Questions. I was reading about some strategies for defeating
        DDOS on http://www.sans.org/ddos_roadmap.htm One of thier points
        was:

        * Unless an organization is aware of a legitimate need to
          support broadcast or multicast traffic within its
          environment, the forwarding of directed broadcasts should be
          turned off.

        I'm using my linux box as a router, and I want to know if this
        means that I should do something like the following:

        ifconfig eth0 -broadcast -multicast

        Another point was that RPC services should be disabled on
        border systems. My understanding was that a border system
        shouldn't server files via NFS, but mounting was okay. If I
        need to mount directories, should I be firewalling the RPC
        port?
        \_ -broadcast means something other than 'forwarding directed
           broadcasts'.  In fact if you actually turn that off you may
           break important broadcast based protocols like ARP. If you're
           on a linux box you really want to do something more like:
           echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts
           -ERic
           \_ Thanks. Do you know if this works with 2.0 kernels or is
              it just 2.2 kernels? Also, I'm assuming that -multicast
              is okay.
              \_ Doesn't look like 2.0 kernels have the option.  I'm assuming
                 you dont need multicast for things like MBONE so yeah
                 just turn it off too. -ERic
                 \_ I'm not using MBONE at home. I only have 384/128 ADSL,
                    so its just not fast enough. I guess I will have to look
                    at the 2.0 kernel compile options to get something similar
                    to ignore broadcasts feature.
                    \_ you'd probably do a lot better to just set up a
                       lot of ipfw rules to block out any traffic you dont
                       really need. -ERic
2000/2/25 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:17615 Activity:moderate 70%like:17608
2/23    To all the CS graduates, how much do you like your job? What exactly
        are you working on? Would you recommend CS?     -sophomore declaring

       Screw this loser, read the reply after my friend:
        \_ Go into it for the money.  The cock suckers talking about doing it
           for the love of it exist in every field.  Do it for the money for
           a few years so you can afford to do whatever you want for the love
           of it for the rest of your life without worrying about the rent,
           mortgage payments, car payments, children's educations, or how to
           pay the electric bill and put food on the table.  The idealists
           are fools throwing away their youth.  These are the same people
           who will be voting every year for a socialist government to take
           care of them in their old age because they "lived life for the
           pure pleasure of it".  They think of themselves as some sort of
           counter culture heros.  I think of them as leeches.  Go for the
           money, sonny.
           \_ Hrm.  I disagree with you on several points.  Starving to death
              so you can do something that you love is just plain silly and
              as far as I can see, you're the only one suggesting such a thing.
              The most common thread here is that you'll be very unhappy doing
              something that you hate -- been there, done that, and it ain't
              worth it.  Second of all, you seem to be implying that by doing
              CS for the money you will deterministically become rich and THEN
              be able to go on and do something that you love.  That's just
              absurd.  Thirdly, associating someone that enjoys their
              work with a political philosophy or moral standpoint is, at
              best, illogical (I myself tend to be pro-gun, pro-death
              penalty -- pretty far from what most people would think of as
              liberal or left-wing).  You can think of them as leeches, but
              if you were really *reading* anything anyone was saying, you'd
              have noted that we were all talking about being *employed* and
              enjoying our work.  Of course, this could just be an idiotic
              troll and I'm wasting my breath taking you seriously. -mice
        \_ don't listen to this angry, cynical asshole.  i know a pharmacist
           who's been working in the field for the past 20 years.  she
           makes at least a consistent $100K a year.  That's more than enough
           to survive on.  but you know what?  she hates the work. and
           she complains about how much it sucks.  and how it goes on and
           on for 8+ hours a day.  don't get stuck in a job that you don't
           like...it's like a slow, minute by minute death.  do what you like,
           but decide if you are going to make the sacrifice.  do you have any
           idea how boring and stupid the guy above sounds?  you are born, you
           grow up, go to school, get married, fuck, have kids, work,
           retire, then die.  There are millions who do the same damn
           mindless pattern of merely living to pass on their dna.  you can
           probably much better than this if your aspirations are in the right
           place.
        \_ take cs61 series.  if you can't hack it, then it's a moot point.
           if you're already beyond that, then it's cs162 and cs164 that
           will tell you if you want to be CS or not
        \_ I love my job.  I mostly do distributed system programming.
           The only way I can recommend CS as a major is if you've tried
           at least one CS class and *REALLY* enjoyed the work -- if
           you're thinking of declaring CS strictly for the money, you'll
           probably be pretty unhappy. -mice
           \_ Agreed.  If you're doing CS for the money, you're doing it
              for the wrong reason.  You won't make the kind of money you
              hear about ("overnight millionaires") unless you truly have
              a passion for it.  A passion that drives you to learn more and
              more and more until you truly have much Fu.  Moral:  Do what
              excites you.  --sowings
              \_ gee, really?  I heard some guy in a diner tell me that
                 his daughter was finishing her masters in CS and southern
                 connecticut state university so she could work in
                 "sillycone valley", where they pick you up in a limmo
                 at the airport, give you a private cook, and pay you several
                 hundred thousand a year automatically.  "That's how
                 they are out in California," he told me.  Shit.  Sign
                 me up.
                        -lives a long way from silicon valley
                        \_ Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight -Dr. Evil
                           \_ no, really, i really heard a guy said that,
                              and i'm pretty sure the poor guy belived it.
                              \_ Not questioning whether or not he said it
                                 but he's just not evil enough.  He's the
                                 margarine of evil.  -Dr. Evil
                 \_ are feeling okay there?  you seem a little piqued.
                \_ you were confused. He was actually referring to
                   "Silicone Valley", where all that happens if you have
                   nice tits, and you show them to the right people.
                   Which in Grammy-speak, means "everyone".
           \_ hey, I declared Chem Engineering 'for the money' and wound up
              doing computer/networking work for more! -ERic
                 \_ I was MSME and I wound up working at Cisco. I didn't
                    get into networking for the money though, it was just
                    more interesting than Mat. Sci.. The money hasn't been
                    \_ just a comment for the record that has nothing to
                       do with this thread: materials science may not be
                       that neat now, but in the next couple decades it
                       will see the same kinds of amazing progression that
                       computer science has in the last few decades, mark
                       my words.  In twenty five years mat. sci. will be just
                       as exciting as CS is now, and it will bear very little
                       resemblance to what is currently called materials
                       science.
                        \_ Just one word of advice, son, "Plastics".
                    bad though. I'm not sure I would have liked CS at Cal,
                    since I found that the undergrad CS classes don't really
                    teach you CS.
                     \_ uh-huh...
                        \_ I took some of the 1xx classes and a couple of
                           of the 2xx (grad) classes at Cal along with several
                           2xx (grad) classes at Stanford and found that
                           the *real* stuff is taught only in the grad coures.
                            \_ which 1xx courses?
              \_ Sure, but you like computers, ERic.  I have taken classes
                 with CS majors who declared how much they hated computers
                 (and not the right-after-something-won't-compile "i hate
                 computers") and thought they (computers) would be the
                 downfall of modern civilization, but they figured they'd
                 make some money off them while they could.  I feel a PHB
                 in someone's future.  I wonder if I'll even want to be in
                 the computer industry in 5 years when all of the current
                 CS ugrads who are in it for the money graduate and come
                 looking for jobs.  <sob>
                        \_ CS ugrads who are in it only for the money are
                           nothing new - they've been around for many years
                           \_ Maybe so, but there has been a much greater
                              influx of them recently.  --sowings
                              \_ Agreed, but this is nothing that can't be
                                 remedied with a couple of shotguns. -dans
                                 \_ .45
                                  \_ shotguns.  yuk yuk.  you are so kewl
                                     \_ Shotgun is a weapon of a peasant.
                                        .45! .45! .45 is the STANDARD!
                                        Subsonic one-shot-drop-dead caliber.
                                        \_ Idiot.
                                           \_ NATO knave.
                                              \_ NATO nothing.  Fuck that
                                                 pussy subsonic .45 shit.
                                                 .454 baby.  *THAT'S* a man's
                                                 caliber.
                                                 \_ Casull?
                                                 \_ I don't want the round
                                                    passing through.
              \_ the economics of our world today make life impossible,
                 especially this area, don't you all think?  *sigh*
        \_ Everything in here is wrong except the bits about
           "thousand", "materials", and "everyone".
2000/2/25 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:17616 Activity:nil
2/24    i want to know why an interesting column that raises some points
        about the issue of gay marriage that people might not have thought
        of is "asho propoganda" and must be deleted.  oh anonymous bigot,
        are you afraid if people have the chance to inform themselves
        they might get in the way of your campaign of hatred?  -lila
        \_ and I'm kinda curious why any mention of anything gay on soda
           is automatically assumed to come from me.  Here is a hint: I
           sign my posts.  Guess what, I'm NOT the only person who cares
           about this issue.  Nor is what is being posted to the motd a
           troll.  Maybe you don't agree with my feelings on the issue, fine
           post your own views if you want.  Or ignore these threads.
           Oh and here is that url again.  Worth checking out for those who
           were asking why should we bother to make gay marriage legal...
        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/24/DD65385.DTL
                                -aspo
2000/2/25 [Recreation/Humor] UID:17617 Activity:nil
2/24    Gee, it's funny how you keep restoring your propaganda, but don't
        restore the replies to it. So piss off.
        \_1 I'd restore the replies if it lasted long enough for me to see them
          2 The person you should be bitching to is the person who keeps
            deleteing the entire thing.  I'm just resotring what I have saved.
            If you want to reply that is cool.  But if someone deletes the
            replies and you care about them you can restore them jsut like
            I restore what I have.
                        -aspo
2000/2/25-26 [Computer/Theory] UID:17618 Activity:low
2/25    Next week's topic in the science fiction DeCal is Artificial
        Intelligence.  We'll be watching The Matrix on Monday @6pm 160 Dwinelle,
        and Stuart Russell will lead discussion on Wednessday @5pm 308 LeConte.
         All are welcome to attend either class. -sofia
2000/2/25-26 [Industry/Jobs] UID:17619 Activity:nil
2/25    Unless you have a true and deep passion for CS and computers in general
        you should go do something else.  Since you obviously don't have a deep
        passion for anything and you'll be bored in and hate pretty much any
        jobs you have, you should make sure to avoid the better paying yet
        boring jobs and go into the lower paying and boring jobs.  That way
        the job market remains insanely imbalanced and those who came before
        can be assured they'll always have a salary way out of whack with what
        they'd be worth in a normal job market.  Got it now?
2000/2/25-26 [Transportation/PublicTransit] UID:17620 Activity:moderate
2/24    What's the easiest way to get to San Francisco Airport from
        Berkeley without a car?  Doesn't have to be the cheapest, but
        needs to be reliable (on time).                 - brendal
        \_ don't you have a car?  why not use the long term parking lot?
           -jeff (cs 152 proj partner)
        \_  I've never had trouble with Bayporter.  door-to-door shuttle.
            $16 from Berkeley to SFO.  -PeterM
            \_ Prices recently went up. It's $19 to OAK, I think SFO
               is also $19.
        \_ take bart to colma. there's a bus that takes you to sfo.
           bayporter requires reserving and shit like that.
        \_ Take BART to Embarcadero.  There's a SamTrans bus outside the
           Grayhound terminal going to SFO.
           \_ that SUCKS! i've done it a dozen or so times becuase i didn't
              have much money to blow on fancy van services, but if you
              do have money, don't do this. samtrans fucking sucks.
              they are unreliable, slow, crowded, infrequent, and have rude
              asshole drivers.
                \- unless it is at an inconvenient time [really late or rush
                hr], find a friend with a car and buy him or her dinner.--psb
2000/2/25-26 [Recreation/Sports, Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:17621 Activity:kinda low
2/25    Looking for a used copy of Freespace 2 and Planescape Torment.
        Anyone want to get rid to the game sitting idle on their shelf?
        - seidl

2/25yet another dickhead's comments about a thread he decided to delete
      deleted.  fuck you.  that's a pretty lame way to be.  if you're going
      to respond to something, dont fucking delete it.
                                -not the orginal poster, and doesn't care
                                        about the original post
2000/2/25 [Recreation/Dating, Computer/SW/Security] UID:17622 Activity:nil
2/25    Pro-immigration drivel deleted.  That was not a reason to allow
        queers to marry.  That was a reason to deny foreigners easy access
        to our shores.  I abhore the practice of foreigners, mostly women,
        prostituting themselves out to gain status here.  We should eliminate
        that possibility equally for everyone.
2000/2/25-26 [Uncategorized] UID:17623 Activity:nil
2/25  Anyone know of any free tools for editing mp3s?  --PeterM
        \_ My brother uses something called Broadcast 2000:
           <DEAD>heroine.linuxbox.com/bcast2000.html<DEAD>
           Never used it myself. -Galen
2000/2/25-26 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:17624 Activity:kinda low
2/25  What's the deal with the cronicle's almost daily articles about
      "Hip young twentysomething dot-commers?"  There is a particularly
      hilarious one today...
        \_ what link exactly?

\_http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/25/MN47093.DTL&type=food
        \_ Jealousy.  Remember, these are late 30-something baby boomers who
           missed out on their own generation's prosperity.  Maybe not so much
           jealousy per se as a longing for what they missed out on in their
           own lives.
                \_ No, it's just that Michael Bauer is an insipid cretin.
                                                                -John
        \_ Essentially, all the interesting web/net stuff took place at least
           five years ago.  But it wasn't until the creation of the web that
           any of the baby boomers took notice.  And it wasn't until the
           creation of the web that any of the non-tech saavy Gen Xers (read
           business types) started trying to sell shit on the web.  All the
           tech folks knew it couldn be done, they just didn't think it was
           an interesting problem so they didn't.  Once the the bizbots
           flooded the web, it turned into something that baby boomers could
           appreciate, if not understand.  For a particularly revolting
           article that highlights a) Baby Boomer fascination with essentially
           lame web stuff, and b) Yet another lame net startup backed by a
           bizbot that hasn't done anything either technologically interesting
           or economically feasible, check out the article "Hey, I Just Work
           Here" in this month's issue of WIRED.  Also, note that, since
           WIRED's purchase by Conde Nast, it has gone from a sometimes
           technologically inept, but usually interesting and usually written
           with the right idea magazine to a consistently technologically
           inept, rarely interesting, and usually written with the wrong idea
           to begin with magazine. -dans
           \_ What I found funny was the implication that everyone who eats
             in these fancy rest. are "millionaires" or whatever, and not
              overworked corp slaves who get off work at 9-10p every night
              and are too zombified to do anything else but shove food in
              their face...
        \_ How times a month do many post-undergrad CSUA go to
                fine restaurants?
                \_ I got roughly once a week.  -post-ugrad CSUA
                \_ I go out at least once a week, usually twice. -ugrad CSUA
2000/2/25 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:17625 Activity:nil
2/25    For those of you who were wondering why bother legalizing gay marriage
        and claimed the benfits were minor: read the following url.  (Yah it
        is sappy, sorry about that.)  Also those of you who think gays and
        lesbians should have the right to marry please print out
        /csua/tmp/petition.pdf, fill it out and mail it in.  Signatures are
        needed.  Every damn one counts.  And to the idiot who keeps
        deleting anything in to motd related to this topic, grow up you little
        twit.

        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/24/DD65385.DTL
                        -aspo
2000/2/25-26 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Aspolito] UID:17626 Activity:high
2/25      \_ Aspo is so cute when he tries to be a paladin.  Only the cause
           isn't very paladin-like.
           \_ I'm always cute -aspo
                \_ No, you're a hairy Sicilian.      -John
                 \_ but a cute hairy Sicilian -aspo
           \_ hairy greeks usually fucking smell like shit...
                \_ that is hairy in the "look at my homeless man style beard"
                   style hairy.  I'm (normally) not like that, jsut cute. -aspo
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