Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2000:February:07 Monday <Sunday, Tuesday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2000/2/7-8 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17446 Activity:high
2/7     Campus unix-sysadmin position open:  /csua/pub/jobs/DECF
        contact jones for info
        \_ Bwahahahaha!  Bwahahaha.  --dbushong
        \_ Mwuhahahahaha!  Mwuhahahahaha. -dans
                \_ What is so funny about this? -not-devin
        \_ I don't know the Prof, but this is a good campus student job.  Not
           at all a bad place to get for wannabe sysadmins.
        \_ one word.  d_A_vin.
           \_ Who is Davin, and why is he evil?
                \_ he's devin's evil twin
                    \_ less of an evil twin, and more of an evil overlord
2000/2/7-8 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17447 Activity:high
2/7     POP-3 Question: I want to run a popd at home (such as qpopper) so
        that my parents can check thier mail without having to login to
        the mail server at home. From what I can tell from the RFC's POP
        seems to be an insecure protocol, in that it sends passwords as
        plain-text. Is it possible to run a secure POP server, or can I
        at least have the POP passwds in a file other than /etc/passwd
        (like .htaccess)?
        \_ Use APOP or ssh port forwarding. Using APOP would be probably
           less hassle for non-*nix users. You still need to send a clear text
           password, however, it is not the same as a user's unix password.
           If a user is using *nix, fetchmail + ssh port forwarding is
           the way to go. -akop
                \_ the APOP password is not clear-text; it's MD5 encoded I
                   believe.  -tom
                   \_ Couldn't get APOP to work correctly in the released
                      version of qpopper. Besides it looked like APOP didn't
                      work with Netscape.
                        \_ APOP does not work with Netscape.  But it does
                           work fine with qpopper.  -tom
           \_ "My parents use *nix!"
               \_ My mom has been a Unix user/hacker since the PDP-11 was
                  a new machine. Its not a user issue, I'm just trying to
                  minimize logins to the mail server (also the firewall/nat
                  \_ Then maybe you should be asking yermom for advice.
                     \_ I would ask my mom (not yermom) for advice, but
                        she is currently out of the country.
                        \_ Then she doesn't need her email right now, does she?
                           I don't release any GPL'd code until my mom has
                           QA'd, debugged, and approved the release.
                   also, fetchmail can do APOP (but not netscape mail)
        \_ Go for IMAP+SSL - then they can use netscrape or MS LookOut!
           \_ Which server should I try? From just looking at the homepages
              for Cyrus (CMU) and Imapd (WU) I couldn't tell if either
              supported SSL.
                \_ Use either with the SSL wrapper from the ssl toolkit.
2000/2/7-8 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:17448 Activity:moderate
2/7     So do i wait to buy a crusoe laptop?
        \_ You wait until they build one first.  And then you wait for the
           second generation so it's worth buying.  Don't be a first kid on
           the block version 1.0 victim.  Or you could be cutting edge and
           report all the nasty bugs so when I buy one later, I know
           it'll work.  So, uhm, yeah, rush right out and be kewl.
        \_ By the way, what do people think about PowerBooks and MacOS X?
           I am keeping my eye on them. I'd like to buy one when the next
           generation (G4 based) PowerBooks are available.
                \_ I won't buy one unless it looks like a toilet bowl seat
                   with a handle.
           \_ I've wanted to buy one since the first G3 Laptop came out.
              I like the iBook, but I want to have scsi and video out on
              my laptop so I'm waiting for the pismo g4 laptop.
            \_ The new PowerBooks will be pretty nice, but i doubt they'll
               have G4s. First of all, Motorola and IBM are getting
               pretty shitty yields on those chips, second I think they
               still run a bit too hot for the PowerBook (temperature is
               the problem, not wattage). The G4 probably won't make it
               to the PB until the next rev. of the chip.
              \_ Is it true that NetBSD runs on iBooks?
                \_ I don't know about NetBSD, but Linux does. Check out
2000/2/7-8 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:17449 Activity:moderate
2/6     Okay, I've decided to roll my own x86 computer, what are the best
        price-comparison or e-commerce URLs you all can recommend to me? I
        listed below. I know about cnet and mysimon. What else is good out
        there? What ones do you use? Thank you in advance, most wonderous motd.
        \_ Just grab a wad of cash and go to the next computer show...
           \_ When I was in SF, I went to both Robert Austin and the one at
              the Cow Palace.  I was underwhelmed, to say the least.  They
              had inferior-quality components, their prices were pretty
              ridiculous considering it was a computer show, the entry price
              was downright silly (at least RA sends out coupons) and the
              selection stank.  I'd rather recommend Spectrum computers in
              San Francisco, or some of the similar Asian fell-off-the-back-
              of-a-truck places.  If you know what you want, the service
              tends to be at least decent, sometimes even friendly, they
              honor their warranties, they have good components and don't try
              to bait-and-switch you too often, and the prices are good.  I've
              bought a lot of parts at these places while in the US, and also
              sent non-technical members of my family there to pick up PC
              hardware;  none of us has ever gotten a bad deal.  -John
        \_  Buy parts from out of state and avoid the nasty
           sales tax.
        \_  We buys partsss from out of state and avoid the
           nassssty saleses tax.
        \_  Buy from out of state to avoid sales tax.
        \_ Don't use places like Sharkey's for hardware recs.  They have some
           biases towards particular vendors and also aren't necessarily using
           the system for the same thing as you.  They use Quake1/2/3 as a
           benchmark program, so go figure.  Unless you're a Q123 player, they
           won't be too useful for you.
2000/2/7-8 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/WWW/Server] UID:17450 Activity:high
2/6     What is the best way to do load balancing using Apache? Is there
        such thing as a load balancing HW router that can re-route based on
        HTTP header request (in the application layer)?
        \_ Cisco's Local Director. F5's stuff.
           \_ I first liked F5, and then their boxes started crashing with
              extensive load. If you use any SSL connections, [SSL requires
              session state], than don't go with F5.
        \_ also arrowpoint, or if you dont want to spend $20k per box, you can
           use the FREE linux virtual server.
                \_ Unless you want a stable and functional system for your
                   multi million dollar web corporation.
                   \_ Hey, if you have a multimillion dollar web corporation
                       then you wont mind paying $50k for a proper commercial
                       \_ First rule of coporate IS management.  Why hack
                         something when you can just BUY it?
                         \_ Exactly my point.  If you _need_ load balancing,
                            you can afford to _buy_ load balancing and the
                            price is just the cost of doing business.  No big
                            deal.  If you wince at the price, you didn't need
                            it (even if you thought you did).  If you were
                            being sarcastic, which I think you were, I have
                            intentionally ignored the sarcasm because what you
                            say is true whether you think so or not.  I don't
                            run my systems on a "hack".
                        \_ Except that what you get probably is an x86 PC
                        with a slightly modified Linux or *BSD on it. Just put
                        it in a fancy sealed case, call it ... "appliance" and
                        demand an exorbitant amout of money for it. Works
                        every time. The oldest product on the load balancing
                        router market is Coyote Point Equalizer and it uses
                        FreeBSD.        -muchandr
                        \_ Yup and I get tech supprt and I keep my job when it
                           keels over and I know there are people on the other
                           side working on it everyday to keep their jobs, not
                           just for kicks when they feel like it.  If you can't
                           afford the price, you didn't need it.  Try telling
                           the CEO that you saved him $20k but killed his
                           company.  It'll go much easier if you can point a
                           finger at the vendor and pressure them to fix it
                           *now*.  If you're running your own startup, you can
                           try explaining to the VC's how you saved $20k of
                           their money but lost the $15m+ they gave you in
                           funding.  Welcome to the business world.  CYA.
2000/2/7 [Health/Disease/General] UID:17451 Activity:nil
2/7     Are and down?
        \_ No, they just don't want to talk to you.
2000/2/7-8 [Finance/Investment] UID:17452 Activity:high
2/8     I'm looking at various online brokerages.  Which ones are all of you
        using and why?  Any I should avoid?  I'm mostly doing stock trades
        but not hyper active minute by minute day trading.  Thanks!
        \_  They give ratings to them.
           Personally, E*trade seems the most balanced.
          \_ ask tom and aaron how much they love etrade --oj
                \_ Or ask me.  They've got incompetent customer service.
                   E-Trade sucks the sweat off a dead man's balls. -mogul
                \_ etrade sucks..."money goes in but it don't come out" -tom
                        \_ it's called "re-investment," twink.
                         \_ No, it's called "2 months+ to transfer out" --oj
          \_ Etrade has current deal with Microcenter:  open Etrade and get a
             $300 coupon @ Microcenter.  See
             \_ How does ETrade afford that?  There are long lines in the
                Santa Clara store every weekend since November.  (The rebate
                used to be $400.) -- yuen
                \_ Volume?  :)  Yes, the rebate lowered at start of Feb.
                \_ I use schwab. Okay I know, some ppl think it sucks and
                   very expensive but I was getting some Delta Airlines miles
                   back then (the offer has expired). But their website seems
                   to be pretty good. TD Waterhouse is also equally good.
                   \_ I had schwab while I was at Cal, but after graduating
                      I switched to National Discount Brokers (
                      They are pretty good and their prices are cheaper than
                      schwab. They also have check writing for your money market
                      account, wire transfer with your bank's checking account,
                      and the largest selection of no-load mutual funds.
        \_ Has anyone traded with Datek?  Advice, suggestions, experience,
           etc.?  Thanks -dans
        \_ Motley Fools run a website that has a Review of various online
           discount brokerages. They also maintain a message board
           specifically for this purpose, where you will learn that:
           a) Suretrade SUCKS b) E-Trade can SUCK too sometimes, etc.
           Check out - jthoms
2000/2/7-8 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:17453 Activity:nil
2/8     How to save attachments using /usr/bin/mail or mailx on Solaris?
        \_ save the entire message to a file, then run munpack
           ( to extract the attachment
2000/2/7-8 [Uncategorized] UID:17454 Activity:nil
2.8     want spa.  Recommend a good company?
2000/2/7-8 [Uncategorized] UID:17455 Activity:kinda low
2.8     pooltable for sale cheap, (no it's not broken it's just
        that we need the room it's occupying  Contact sofia@csua.
        \_no.  contact paolo@csua.  I could give a fuck -sofia
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