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2000/2/3-14 [Uncategorized] UID:17412 Activity:nil
02/02   Planned Network Outage Tomorrow Feb 3rd, 06:30-07:30.
2000/2/3-4/27 [Computer/HW/CPU, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:17413 Activity:nil
12/09   "got mips?" t-shirts!  See dans or visit the CSUA office.  $10
2000/2/3-4/27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:17414 Activity:nil 80%like:17022
12/07   Return OVERDUE CSUA library books to 343 Soda, ASAP!  --librarian
2000/2/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:17415 Activity:low
2/2     Let's say David Cash and/or Trever apply for a CSUA account. Can we
        deny them?
        \_ Why would we? We like good entertainment, no?
        \_ Woo.  Be careful there.  Back in the days when I joined CSUA,
           the officers give you a lecture about "apply for a CSUA
           account".
        \_ In short, no.  In long: why would you care?  They violate any
           policies and they get squished like other idiots before them.  If
           they don't who cares?
2000/2/3-4 [Finance/Banking, Finance/Shopping, Finance/Investment] UID:17416 Activity:high
2/2     According to McCain, he's for Social Security and "paying down
        the debt."  When we pay down the debt, who benefits the most?
        IN other words, who holds certificates to our nation's debt?
        \_ The CHILDREN.  Won't somebody *please* think of the CHILDREN!
        \- er, i think you are misunderstanding what this means. the
        alternative to paying down the debt isnt defaulting. paying down the
        debt really means you will slow down the rate of issuing new debt.
        you have to finance deficit spending either by borrowing [in which
        case the govt competes with private industry for savings, raising the
        cost of money, i.e. the itnerest rate] or the govt can print money, an
        option not open to a private individual/firm, but not totally free
        for the govt either, since paying back with inflated dollars is kind
        of a partial defualt. quite a bit of US treasure instruments are
        held by foreigners, btw. --psb
        \_ I think you are misunderstanding the question. The person asked
           who will benefit by the paying off of the National debt, not
           what effect it would have upon any (hypothetical) future deficit
           spending.
          \_ #1 holder of US Treasury products is Americans.  Japanese #2.
                        I think Chinese have recently started buying huge
                        amounts.
        \_  Why do you think that the Gov't's lenders want to be paid
            back instead of continuing to be paid interest?  And remember,
            this is money they already gave the Gov't.  Right now I think
            $200G goes to paying iterest on our debt.  How much does our
            military cost?  --PeterM
                        \_  My point (admittedly unclear) about the military
                            is that the interest on our debt could go a long
                            way to paying the military budget.  --PeterM
                \- if you look at debt/GDP for the us, the number isnt too bad.
                the problem here isnt high debt, but extrmemely low private
                savings rate. --psb
                \_ You want to dump the military?  Which foreign language
                   would you prefer to learn to talk to your new leaders?
                   \_ Japanese! :-)
                        \_ right. in japan, you'd be lucky to find people to
                        openly express themselves in public conversation like
                        this.
                        \_ thats why I like it. And no more stupid
                           "gay marriages" either.
                          \_ If you want to live in a cultural clam shell, go
                             there.  No reason to destroy this country when
                             Japan is only a plane flight away.  To each his
                             own.
                          \_ No tipping!  Schoolgirl panties in vending
                             machines!  It's a utopia!
                                \_ And blue dots on all the pr0n.
                                  \_ Blue Dots are Artistic, or something. --oj
                                        \_ Pubic hair is banned.  Rape is ok.
                   with nukes at our disposal? The age of true tactical warfare
                   on a large, sustained scale are long gone. Red Storm Rising
                   will never occur in an age of easy and cheap nuclear armament.
                   \_Screw the military, we have nukes, who's gonna invade us
                     with nukes at our disposal? The age of true tactical
                     warfare on a large, sustained scale are long gone. Red
                     Storm Rising will never occur in an age of easy and cheap
                     nuclear armament.
                        \_ You're neither funny, nor clever, nor a good troll.
                   \_ You're an idiot.  Or this is a weak troll.  Or both.
                      Either way, there's no point in providing a serious
                      reply.  No military = pick your new foreign leadership.
                   \_ We should take all the welfare cases, issue them with
                      little mind control helmets, and give them all backpack
                      nukes.  That would rewl.  Also, we should get rid of all
                      our tanks and buy a few hundred thousand Daihatsu Grand
                      Moves (the really narrow minibuses that always tip over)
                      and put Davy Crockett XM-28 recoilless atomic cannon on
                      the top of them and fill them with TNT and have these
                      massive swarms of little stupid-looking minibuses
                      with bigfoot tires chewing up the countryside lobbing
                      rapid-fire atomic munitions at the enemy before ramming
                      them in a blaze of glory.  We'll get rid of INS and
                      customs/border patrol too, and replace them with massive
                      300-deep belts of of B-54 SADM nuclear land mines.  We
                      will take care of our strategic interests by building
                      a titanic post-hole digger and dropping massive amounts
                      of nuke silos in the entire midwest, side-by-side.
                      Problems with Iraq?  Send 'em a few Minutemen IIs for
                      fun.  China acting up?  Santa's bringing a bag full
                      of Titans with 20MT warheads to Peking.  All US-flagged
                      vessels will be replaced with TridentIII subs (let the
                      cruise-line geezers swim) and all US air carriers will
                      be required to replace their planes with B-70s, for
                      extra impressive value.  Slim Pickens for president!
                      Nukular Fucking Weapons!  We'll be invincible!    -John
                   \_ You're an idiot.  Or this is a weak troll.  Or both.
                      Either way, there's no point in providing a serious
                      reply.  No military = pick your new foreign leadership.
                        \_ John, you my hero.
                        \_ Oh My God John I just creamed my shorts.  I wish
                           I wrote that.                -brain
                        \_ Funny how I knew this was John by line 2.  I got
                           as far as "mind control helmets".
                \_ I would totally LOVE to keep and save all the money that the
                   social security system is taking away from me to squander
                   on  the retirees of today.
                        \_ You get your turn when you're retired to screw the
                           children and grand children of the people who are
                           screwing you now.
                           \_  Unfortunately, I am of post-babyboom and
                               pre-echoboom, meaning that I get screwed
                               and when I try to screw, they have the
                               numbers to share the burden.  Maybe that
                               means I will have a comfortable retirement
                               even if I spend all my money today.
                                \_ Me too and no we won't because the 'echo
                                   boomers' are going to make sure there's lots
                                   of SS money in place before they get there.
                                   They'll outnumber the old geezers.  We'll be
                                   fine.  SS isn't the kind of program that can
                                   be changed over night and it isn't going
                                   away any time soon.
        \_  Pay down the debt = interest rates go down, bonds are less
            attractive (capital is cheaper), money is distributed to more
            efficient uses (ie. capital) ...  Virtually every credible
            economist, including Greenspan, supports paying down the
            debt before taxes.  The benefits of paying down the debt
        assumption of 1.5% average annual growth rate, which is way conservative.
        The average for the century (with Great Depression and all) is something
        like twice that, not to mention current growth rates...
            outway lower taxes.
                \_ Too bad we do neither to any great degree.
        \_ Ah, the sound of young impressionable minds soaking up libertarian
        propaganda. Government debt is not like yours or mine. Most of the
                           lack of a name in an inherintly anonymous forum.  I
        government debt is owned directly or inderectly (eq via pension funds)
        private individuals. So, we have a bunch of ordinary Americans repaying
        another bunch of ordinary Americans. Who exacly is getting a better deal
        - the lenders or the borrowers is, as usual, far from clear.
        The very popular study of Social Security going broke is based on the
        assumption of 1.5% average annual growth rate, which is way
        conservative.  The average for the century (with Great Depression and
                             \_ Oops, sorry I wrote that.  -- ilyas

        all) is something like twice that, not to mention current growth
        rates...
        Does the above poster imply that "Greenspan supports lower interest
        rates"? (simple transitivity) The way I understand Federal Reserve's
        current approach is that they see issuing government paper as primarily
        an instrument of monetary policy, not fiscal policy. -muchandr
        \_ Hey Muchkin, I never had a chance to ask what your political views
           were. -- ilyas
           \_ Then don't. Not on the motd.
              \_ Hey, the man isn't stupid, he can write me.
                 And sign your name.
                 -- ilyas
                 \_ What's up with the obsession with signing one's name?  If
                    they wanted to they would have in the first place, duh.
                    \_ Coward. -- ilyas
                        \_ G-duh! You're such an idiot.  "Anyone who doesn't
                           post everything with their real name like me is a
                           coward!!!!  -ilyas".  Sheesh, you and Tom.  At least
                           Tom is mature enough now to stop drooling over the
                           anon posters and dismissing them entirely merely for
                           lack of a name in an inherently anonymous forum.  I
                           suspect it'll take you even longer to grow up since
                           you're clearly less intelligent than Tom.
                           \_ It's 'inherently.'  And the motd isn't inherently
                              anything.  You can choose to sign your name and
                              stand by your words like me, or Tom, or psb or
                              you could just be an anonymous bombardier whose
                              words don't carry any weight. -- ilyas
                             \_ Anonymity does not make the words any less true.
                                And signing one's name doesn't make the words
                                any more true.  You're a perfect example of
                                the latter.  You sign everything yet your words
                                signify nothing.  Numerous anonymous people
                                here have provided a lot of useful and accurate
                                information.  Anonymity has nothing to do with
                                the quality or value of the contribution.  And
                                yes the motd is inherently anonymous as there
                                is no signing requirement or method to enforce
                                such a thing.  The default is anonymity.  If
                                you choose otherwise, that's nice, but not at
                                all relevent to anything.
                                \_ If they signify nothing then replying is
                                   a waste of time.  At any rate, I am of the
                                   opinion that truly tasteful flaming has to
                                   have a name behind it.  God knows there are
                                   lots of people I don't like, and I never
                                   had a problem telling them this to their
                                   face.  -- ilyas
                                   \_ I'm glad you're happy being a loutish
                                      boor.  The rest of us try to get along
                                      and mostly shut the fuck up when we don't
                                      like someone because telling them so won't
                                      improve matters and often makes it worse.
                                      And what does tasteful flaming have to
                                      do with anything?  Feeling like a topic
                                      change?
        \_ Since low private savings rate is considered a problem, what are
           are some approaches to increasing the incentive for private
           savings.
2000/2/3-5 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:17417 Activity:nil
2/2     Request for a NT web developer consultant: "Small vendor wants to
        move academic software application to web site. Looking for
        developer with expertise in NT web sites and online payments".
        More info at: /csua/pub/jobs/hrwinc      -slow
        \_ *nix.
        \_ I thought there was only 1 kinney...
2000/2/3-4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:17418 Activity:nil
2/2     Inktomi is coming (back) to Berkeley.  We will be at
        Brewed Awakening (1807 Euclid) on Thursday, February 3rd, from 4 PM to
        7 PM.  Drop by and speak with a hiring manager about a possible job
        internship with Inktomi.
        More info in /csua/pub/jobs/Inktomi.new
        -kube
2000/2/3-5 [Computer/Companies/Ebay] UID:17419 Activity:high
2/3     Elian Gonzalez poll:
        Send the kid to dad in Cuba:   1
        Keep the kid in the US:        2
        Use King Solomon's solution:   2.5
                                        \_ This was funny.
        Make him tjb's apprentice so
        he can return to liberate
        Cuba with the power of his
        professional turntabilism:     1
        Auction the kid off on Ebay:   6
        Auction the kid's kidney on Ebay:   1
        "none of the u.s. government's fucking business": 3
                \_ You morons.  Of course it's the government's business.  One
                   way or another a decision is required.  Idiots.  You think
                   we should let pro/anti Castro Cubans shoot it out on the
                   streets in Florida to resolve the situation?
                   \_ ok, how about "none of the legislative or executive
                      branches of the u.s. government's fucking business."
                      the only u.s. govt ppl who should be involved in this
                      issue are the INS.
                        \_ The INS *is* part of the executive branch.
                        \_ No.  It's an issue for the courts.  The INS is just
                           a bunch of paper pushers trying to clear their
                           inbox.
                           \_ the courts should maybe be involved, but
                              definitely not the other two braches.
                                \_ If not the courts, then who?  The group of
                                   pro/anti Castro Cubans in Florida with the
                                   most firepower?  Let the courts decide.
                                   \_ yes, the courts.  not the president or
                                      the congress or whoever the hell else
                                      wants to pick up elian's name as a
                                      convenient standard to bear...
        \_ um, how about "none of the u.s. government's fucking business"
        \_ ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD! Means of dealing with Elian.
           \_ ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD! Overused phrase.
             \_ shouldn't that be
                ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD!! ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD!!
                ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD! is the STANDARD! Overused phrase.
                ?
                \_ can you suggest a good way to get to work and a good
                   operating system to use?
                        \_ No.  Don't beg for it.
                           \_ pleeeeeeeeeze?!?!?!????
                                \_ Not even if yermom asked.
                                   \_ ED! ED! ED is the STANDARD! Yermom.
2000/2/3-5 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17420 Activity:high
2/3     Does emacs automagically understand lines like the following or
        do I have to do something special in .emacs? How can I get emacs
        to automagically insert these lines at the start of all my
        c and tcl files?
     /*-*-Mode:C++; c-basic-offset:8; tab-width:8; indent-tabs-mode:t-*-*/
>
2/3
What is the difference between flamebait and a troll?
        \_ Use perl.

2/3
        What is the difference between flamebait and a troll?
        \_ Semantics? Or a troll is a post to gain attention, and flamebait
           is a post intended to provoke vehement reaction. I dunno really.
           \_ flamebait is something stupid. "MS-DOS is the best OS".
              A troll is something inflammatory posted deliberately,
              about a 'big issue'. But usually posted in the guise
              of an "innocent" poster. eg:
                "Why does the army let fags in anyway?"
                \_ No.  A troll is a descriptive term for a person who posts
                   flamebait.  Flamebait is a post intended to provoke a
                   vehement reaction.  Trolls post flamebait.  I know because
                   I'm one and loving it.  --flamebait posting troll
                \_ troll describes both the idiot and the idiotic post.  -tom
                \_ WTF does that mean? Signyerposts Tom. I signedyermom.
                        \_ That means "Use perl."
                                \_ Is perl a new text editor? I typed perl,
                                   but nothing happened.
                                   \_ Inline insertion/replacement with perl.
        \_ ED!  ED!  ED is the STANDARD!  Text Editor.
2000/2/3-5 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:17421 Activity:kinda low
2/3     I started using the nightly mozilla build and then I got a
        TCP port probe from <DEAD>h-207-200-73-39.netscape.com<DEAD>. Why?
        (needless to say, I deleted mozilla from my computer and
         went back to using my other browser which shall go un-named
         because this is not flamebait)
        \_ Obviously someone at netscape it an evil hax0r and is trying to
        \_ Obviously someone at netscape is an evil hax0r and is trying to
           take advantage of a hole they put in that night's code.  We should
           all use IE because we can trust it and it innovates the net.
        \_ Do you have any "Smart browsing"/"Internet keywords" crap turned
           on?
        \_ What is the projected completion date for a publicly usable version
           of Mozilla (for any system)???  I'll be using IE9.35 for some as yet
           unwritten OS on an as yet undesigned architecture before Mozilla is
           ready for prime time.
2000/2/3 [Uncategorized] UID:17422 Activity:high
2/3     Is the Underground still alive and well?  Do they check
        student ID cards?
        \_ The Underground was destroyed long ago.  It's part of the bookstore
                now.
                \_ did they keep the bowling alleys?  bowling for textbooks!
        \_ It's been revived, but is no longer underground or called the
           Underground. Now there's the BearCade.
                \_ where is it and can non current students use it?
2000/2/3-5 [Computer/SW/RevisionControl] UID:17423 Activity:moderate
2/3     How do I remove or rename a directory under CVS?
        \_ rm -rf or mv
                \_ doesn't work, cvs root still has the directory
                        \_ Depends on what you rm.
        \_ See the CVS FAQ. It looks like renaming isn't really clean.
        \_ cvs remove dir; then cvs -P update will prune off dir.
             (lesson: always use cvs -Pd, except when you shouldn't)
2000/2/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:17424 Activity:nil
2/3     I love Trevor                           -trevor's #1 fan club
2000/2/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Industry/Jobs] UID:17425 Activity:very high
2/3     CSUA Engineer Job Title poll:
           \_ Current or previous jobs?
        1       CTO
                \_ heh. kinney gave me the title, tho somehow i don't think
                it means what he thinks it means - paolo
        0       VP Eng
        0       Architect
        1       Sr Software Eng
        1       Software Eng
                \_ someone removed my 1!
                   \_ no, mine!
        2       Various Sysadmin
        0       Random Title
        1       Herder of Cats
        1       Member of Tech Staff
                \_ What exactly is an MTS (Member of Tech Staff)
                        \_ Whatever you want it to be - here it includes
                           programmers, sys admins, release engineers, etc.
        2       Tech Support Engineer
        1       Gopher
        1       Programmer/Analyst (go UC employees!)
                \_ Slaves to the Man.  Half the pay for 3/4ths the work.
        1       Blowjob boy
        1       Pascal Princess
        1       Web monkey
2000/2/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17426 Activity:nil
2/3     What is the difference between flamebait and a troll?
        \_ Semantics? Or a troll is a post to gain attention, and flamebait
           is a post intended to provoke vehement reaction. I dunno really.
           \_ flamebait is something stupid. "MS-DOS is the best OS".
              A troll is something inflammatory posted deliberately,
              about a 'big issue'. But usually posted in the guise
              of an "innocent" poster. eg:
                "Why does the army let fags in anyway?"
                \_ No.  A troll is a descriptive term for a person who posts
                   flamebait.  Flamebait is a post intended to provoke a
                   vehement reaction.  Trolls post flamebait.  I know because
                   I'm one and loving it.  --flamebait posting troll
                \_ troll describes both the idiot and the idiotic post.  -tom
                        \_ One man's idiot is another man's amusement.
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