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2000/2/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/TJB] UID:17397 Activity:nil
2/1     NEWSFLASH!  Linux users saved from further humiliation by tjb posting!
        \_ RIDE BIKE! You will feel better.
2000/2/2-4 [Industry/Startup] UID:17398 Activity:moderate
2/1     When is the next gm?
        \_ This came up at this evening's politburo meeting.  We are shooting
           for some time this month.  Is there anyone you'd like to see speak?
           -dans
                \_ Want to see tjb speak.
        \_ Trevor! We know you are reading this! Please show up on the GM today
           and join our honorable, professional organization of talented
           individuals! - tjb's #1 motd fan.
           \_ Trevor doesn't have the balls.  All talk.  Anyway, you really
              _want_ him to show up and bore you to tears?  What a whiner....
        \_ What do people think of a panel covering Berkeley student/alum
           experiences with startups?  We'd have people who've founded
           startups as well as people who came on later.
           -dans
           \_ I think that would be great. -Galen
              \_ Agree.  Add a vote for that. -dlwhite
           \_ Better would be Stanford alums who founded startups.
                \_ Is $tanfurd really better than Cal at startup success rate?
                   I mean, for every Hotbot, is there a Yahoo and a Google?
                        \_ Hotbot?  Hotbot is a property of Wired Digital which
                           failed _two_ IPO's and was eventually gobbled up by
                           Lycos.  I hope you weren't implying that "Hotbot"
                           was somehow a successful (or unsuccessful) company.
                           It was nothing more than a service once owned by
                           Wired and now Lycos.  And yes, Stanford has more
                           startups which are more successful.
                             -worked there, only mildly bitter now, recovering
                        \_ Stanford: Sun, Yahoo
                           \_ Don't forget Cisco.
                           Berkeley: Inktomi, Ingres
                           Which looks more successful to you?
                           \_ Golly, sounds like Berkeley!!!11 Stanfurd sukz!1
                              SV is packed with zillions of Farmer startups.
                              You can count the Cal startups on your thumbs.
                              And yes even though most of the Farmers will
                              fail, many will not.  They won't all be Yahoos
                              but you don't have to be Yahoo to be considered
                              successful.  "There can be only one.>ka-chunk!<"
2000/2/2-3 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:17399 Activity:nil
2/1     Hi, is there some way I can merge the two bookmark.html files I
        have, one from netscape linux and the other on win netscape?
        \_ I think in both cases they're just HTML files.  Cut and paste,
           do a little editing.
        \_ You might be able to import both into IE, then export the
           resulting Favorites.
        \_ don't be a fucking moron.  Netscape has an import function. -tom
        \_ Columbine Bookmark Merge - <DEAD>www.clark.net/pub/garyc<DEAD>
2000/2/2-4 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:17400 Activity:moderate
2/1     Looking for really clued solaris folks for a kick-ass opportunity
        at Electronic Arts. Serious clue need only apply -lars <lsmith@ea.com>
        \_ EA = PC Games. Solaris != PC Games. What the fuck?
                \_ EA makes a hell of a lot more than PC games.  They made
                   $260 million on consoles last year compared to $165
                   million on the PC.  Massively multiplayer servers don't
                   run on consoles, nor on Windows platforms for that matter.
                   Remember also that EA owns Origin, which makes Ultima
                   Online.  I'm betting lars' opening has something to do
                   with servers for sequels or similar games. -mogul
                \_ Get a clue. Just because EA makes PC games doesn't mean
                   they don't use Solaris servers for e-mail, file serving,
                   web servers, running big databases (HR, customers, bug
                   tracking, etc.). Hell, maybe like every other game company,
                   they're coming out with a new online game and are going to
                   use Solaris servers to run it.  There's any of a thousand
                   possible other things they could be doing.
                        \_ Leik n0 wae!1  sl0war1z sukz!1  ey red 1t 1n <-64
                           /\/\ag!11
                \_ They don't make paper either at EA, but I bet they use it.
                        \_ I've seen the EA paper mills.  They make paper.
          \_ Does Quake run on Solaris?
                \_ Yeah!  Any OS that can't run Quake isn't a real OS!  How
                   else can you possibly benchmark it?
                \_ yes it does.
2000/2/2-4/27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:17401 Activity:nil
**/**      --==< Politburo Meetings: Tuesdays, 5:00pm, 337 Soda. >==--
2000/2/2-3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/TJB] UID:17402 Activity:moderate
2/1     Who is Nicolas Bray?  --nb #1 Fan
        \_ man finger
        \_ finger bray
                \_ Duh, like that's really useful.  Wanting to know how nb
                   got on my boy tjb's shitlist.
                   \_ At the risk of losing my "John Galt"-eque status, I'm
                                                          \_ -esque.
                                                     -- motd spelling police
                      just someone who pointed out to tjb that intelligence
                      (even to a degree greater than his) is no excuse for
                      arrogance. He seems to have taken this badly. - nb
                        \_ You attmpted to communicate with The Great One?
                        \_ Woo.  I want to see tjb's shitlist.
                           \_ Don't worry -- you're on it.  Everyone is on
                               tjb's shitlist.
                           \_ Pretty much everyone on the csua@csua list
                              (frankly folks, we are the ones who were flaming
                              him to death on ucb.class.cs61c and motd..)
                              see: /csua/share/aliases.include/csua
                                \_ what qualifies a csua-er to be in that?
                                  \_ they were clever enough (or foolish
                                     enough, dependin on your point of view)
                                     to ask to be put on it.  If you feel
                                     left out, email root@csua to join. -ERic
                                     \_ all new members are added automatically
                                        to that list I believe. -new member
                                        \_ I feel left out.  -old member
        \_ bray man
           \_ bray! bray! bray is the standard!  tjb flamer.
              \_ echo 'echo fuck off | mail tjb@cory' > /csua/bin/bray ; \
                 chmod 755 /csua/bin/bray
                 Anyone? Please?
                 \_ Whatever.  You'd just be showing yourself to be the idiot
                    tjb wants you to be.  I thought it was much more fun to
                    go into the daddy&daughter sex chat room from his account.
                        \_ Breaking into inst accounts is far too easy to be
                           interesting.
                           \_ Who said interesting?  I didn't say interesting.
                              It isn't an exercise in cracking.  It's the
                              results that might be amusing.
        \_ John Galt's brother.
2000/2/2 [Computer, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/TJB] UID:17403 Activity:nil
2.01    I'm saving all the recent csua@csua spam and adding it to the
        tjb saga page (which enjoys the #1 hit on google for the query,
        "Trevor James Buckingham")  any objections?
2000/2/2-3 [Recreation/Activities, Recreation/Sports] UID:17404 Activity:very high
02.01   Vote for the greatest sports moment and insure that "The Play"
        receives due respect:
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/polls/sportscalls.htm
                -mrehrer
        \_ the poll is actually for the greatest call in sports, not
           necessarily the play or the moment.
                \_ I think it was that one handed catch off the tree near the
                   back fence when I was in third grade... oh the memories....
        \_ Is someone stuffing the box, or do we really have 50% of the votes?
           \_ i believe every time there's a 'most dramatic college play'
              poll "The Play" always wins hands-down
           \_ Yes.
        \_ Where is the (high quality) MPEG/AVI/MOV?  Of all the CS geeks
           at Cal, surely someone has digitized it and has it available for
           public access.
           \_ All I found was a sucky 3 MB Quicktime.  Does someone want
              to grab a tape and make a real capture?
        \_ Anyone from that Cal team go on and make an impact in the NFL?
                \_ Yeah, it was one of the guys who raped a chick during his
                   second, third, or fourth year, but I can't recall which.
                   \_ Ignorants. Wot about the guy who was convicted of murder?
                        \_ He's in the Football Player Rapist cell block since
                           there aren't enough FP murderers yet to have their
                           own wing, but they're working on it.
2000/2/2-3 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:17405 Activity:high 80%like:18264 66%like:18071 80%like:17656 66%like:17102 66%like:16487
2/2/00  happy even day!
        \_ Only on _your_ calendar and system of mathematics.
           \_ In what system of mathematics does the definition of
              even change?
                \_ Binary.  Been to a basic CS class in the last 20 years?
                   \_ How does the definition of even change in binary? Also
                      that's not really a different system of mathematics,
                      just a base change. - nb
                      \_ Maybe by "even" the second poster meant even digits
                         instead of even numbers.  Then in binary number system
                         there are no "even-digits days" at all, or the only
                         "even-digits days" are 0/0/00 of each century if you
                         only use two digits for years.  -- not the second
                         poster.
        \_ It is day 33, twink.
2000/2/2 [Uncategorized] UID:17406 Activity:nil
2/1     The previous decade.. they will call it "the 90s".. What about this
        decade? 00s?
        \_ Aughties. Or Naughties.
           \_ Who the fuck are the Aughties?  -aubie
                \_ shut up, nweaver.  -tom
                   \_ Shut up Tom.  -not nweaver
        \_ Thank you for participating in the banal MOTD questions game.
           You do not win 1 million dollars, and you have used all lifelines.
        \_ The Pre-teens.
        \_ Technically, this is still the 90's.  -- 335 days to the Millenium!
2000/2/2-3 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:17407 Activity:high 66%like:17750
2/2     Can we get StarOffice installed on soda? thanks
        \_ That bloated incompatible memory and cpu hogging heap of junk?
           Only if root has suddenly become exceptionally stupid.  Can I run
           an xtrek server and a mud on soda too?
        \_ First you must find a FreeBSD version of StarOffice and a reason
            you should run it over the net instead of on your local machine.
            \_ StarOffice 5.1 is supposed to run under Linux compatibility
               mode, but for me (and a few others) does "exciting" things
               instead.  This, of course, has nothing to do with the question.
               --dbushong
                \_ Didn't linux compat mode panic soda's kernel last time it
                   was turned on?
2000/2/2-3 [Industry/Jobs, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/TJB] UID:17408 Activity:very high
2/2     So just wondering if anyone has ever actually met a tjb style moron
        at work (industry, academia, anywhere).  Do these sorts of fools ever
        really get hired anywhere that does personal interviews?  I've been
        working for 7+ years at various places and have yet to meet anyone
        like that who survived a first round interview no matter how good
        their resume looked to HR.
        \_ In response to everything below, I was really wondering about
           getting past the first personal interview, not the reference
           check.  I'd give the guy a huge thumbs down in the first 5 minutes.
           Reference checks are bullshit for numerous reasons. -original poster
        \_ Yes.
          \_ while I haven't met anyone like that in a professional environment
             I can't believe they'd have any trouble gettin a job.  The job
             market right now is soo worker-starved that just about any chump
             can get a job.  Sure they might have to only choose between 3 or
             4 offers after a week or two of searching, but they'll still
             get them.
             \_ Silicon Valley is a very small place.  People talk.  If you
                have a bad reputation, word gets around fast.  My former boss
                was one such person.  He has had 6-7 jobs in the last two
                years.  He is having to go to a different industry, that's
                how fast word gets around.  Remember one thing:  don't burn
                your bridges; leave on good terms.
                \_ Please.  Silicon Valley is a *huge* place -- are you trying
                   to assert that the multi-billion-dollar complex of software
                   and hardware companies in the Valley somehow consitute an
                   intimate little "everybody knows everybody" kaffesklatch?
                   Your boss isn't getting rehired because he has obvious
                   resume problems (even if he wasn't obviously defective,
                   would you hire someone who's had 6 jobs in 2 years if you
                   were looking for a long-termer?), not because the word's
                   gone out through the grapevine.  Some references may even
                   candy-coat a tjb-style fuckup, because they don't want to
                   get sued for saying something defaming, or because they're
                   the idiot's current co-workers and they want to get rid of
                   him.  And even if your name is mud in Silicon Valley, the
                   industry doesn't stop once you leave the Bay Area; just
                   move to somewhere new.
                   \_ You're on the shitlist, too -- nobody who's *anybody*
                      is talking to you!  (Somebody told me that yesterday.)
                      That's how come you don't know the way it really is.
                   \_ This is funny.  You obviously haven't worked here
                      long here.  By "going to a different industry" I mean
                      going from say network hardware to semiconductor.  Yeah
                      shitty people can always get jobs, they just won't get
                      jobs with good people who has been around and keep a
                      very long shitlist.  I've been for 4 years and
                      I already have a list of people in my mind that I want
                      to avoid like a plague.
                      \_  Just off the top of my head, Andy Bechtolsheim and
                          Dave Ditzel.  Yep, famously obnoxious and annoying
                          people must have trouble getting hired in the Valley.
                          The answer is, if you are bright enough, you will
                          get the job, no matter how evil you are.  Sometimes
                          you have to be pretty f*cking bright though.
                      \_ I think that you're confusing reality with your own
                         megalomaniac visions: "Ha ha!  When *I* am the one
                         in control, *he'll* never work in *this* town again!
                         Muahahahaha!"
2000/2/2-3 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17409 Activity:nil
2/2     telnet <DEAD>bbs.splorg.org<DEAD> !!!
2000/2/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17410 Activity:moderate
2/2     Less than one week left to register to vote in the March elections.
        \_ Oh?  Thanks.  Amazing that the motd can actually be good for
           something at times.
        \_ http://vote2000.ss.ca.gov to see who & what there is to vote
                 for/against on March 7
2000/2/2-6 [Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:17411 Activity:nil
2/2     A cappella.  2/5/00, Gallery Ovissi in Emeryville, 7:30pm.  $5.
        For more information, go to <DEAD>www.wicki6.com<DEAD>  Come hear my band.
        Come early for good seats.  -chaos

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ed user was here.
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