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2000/1/28-29 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:17357 Activity:moderate
1/27    Is there anything in Win95/98 that is similar to the Task Manager in
        NT which can display CPU usage, change process priority, etc?  Thx.
        \_ do CTRL+ALT+DELETE and then click 'processes' or something like that
           \_ There's a list of task names, but all you can do is to kill or
              switch to a task.
              \_ Also, note that the "End Task" button is not a true kill
                 command.  It's more like tapping the selected program on the
                 shoulder, and saying, "If it's not too much trouble, could
                 you keel over and die?"
                 \_ Naw, not really, because after it ignores you, 95/98
                    gives you a chance to kill it outright unless 95/98 itself
                    is totally fucked up (more so than normal I mean).
        \_ cpu usage is in Accessories -> System Tools -> System Monitor
                \_ Only in certain versions of win98.
2000/1/28-29 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17358 Activity:kinda low
1/27    Looking for a unix command-line util that will allow me to pass it
        a key and an arbitrary string and will give back the DES-CBC
        encrypted version of that string.  (and it's gotta be able to run on
        either Digital Unix 4.0D or Solaris 7.) Any ideas?  -icrew
        \_ there's bdes.. not sure if there's a port for dec/solaris
        \_ compile openssl suite (ex ssleay). It does everything and more.
           See http://www.openssl.org for info.
2000/1/28 [Health/Women] UID:17359 Activity:high
1/27    Catherine Zeta Jones pregnant.  Sorry boys.  The show is over.
        \_ your mom being pregnant certainly didn't thwart me. -#1 fucker
                \_ But soon CZJ will look about as good as yermom.
        \_ You forgot that the father is TOM!
2000/1/28 [Uncategorized] UID:17360 Activity:nil 72%like:17362
1/27    Is there a program that can monitor messages that usually gets sent
        to /var/log/messages and /var/log/secure? If so, what is it?
        \_ tail -f /var/log/messages ; tail -f /var/log/secure
        \_ tail -f /var/log/messages > /dev/lp0
                \_ D'oh!  I've been one-upped!
2000/1/28-29 [Reference/BayArea] UID:17361 Activity:kinda low
1/27    Moving to oakland, am loud and noisy, want to get a "musicians' pad"
        like a converted warehouse "loft".  Any suggestions/ leads? - erikba
        \_ It's Oakland.  Move into the cheapest shithole you can find and
           make all the noise you want.  Your crack head neighbors will be too
           fucked up to notice.
           \_ in a way I wish this were true.  Oakland isn't the cheapass
              shithole it used to be. Hail Jerry.
           \_ Crackheads don't call the cops because they want you to not
              call the cops, not because the don't hate your noise.
                \_ Who said cops?  I was thinking about them kicking in your
                   door and shooting you after gang raping you a few times.
2000/1/28-29 [Uncategorized] UID:17362 Activity:low 72%like:17360
1/27    Is there a program that continuously monitors messages that usually
        gets sent to /var/log/messages and /var/log/secure? If so, what is it?
        \_ tail -f /var/log/messages ; tail -f /var/log/secure
           \_ i believe he's referring to more of something like this
              http://www.windowmaker.org/images/screenshots/tekdesk.jpg
              at the top of the screen
                \_ Oh and Mr. Smartpants just *had* to provide almost useful
                   information on the motd?  Good going, Jones.
        \_ tail -f /var/log/messages > /dev/lp0
                \_ D'oh!  I've been one-upped!
                \_ swatch  -tom
2000/1/28-29 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:17363 Activity:nil
1/28    I'm looking to pick up a few used video games.  If you've
        got something you've finished and would be willing to part
        with it, let me know.  Looking for list in ~seidl/used_games
        - seidl
2000/1/28-29 [Computer/HW/Memory, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:17364 Activity:kinda low
1/28    On Solaris 2.7 I have a process that dumps core when its memory
        usage passes 2 GB. I have 4 GB ram and this is the only process
        that requires significant resources. Is this related to resource
        limits? According to ulimit my memory utilization is unlimited.
        \_ probably related to your bit-bucket only handling 32 bits
        \_ recompile your binary to be 64-bit (-xarch=v9 if using Sun cc)
        \_ fix your program so that it checks the return value of malloc()
           rather than blindly assuming there is always more memory.
2000/1/28-29 [Computer/SW/Unix/WindowManager] UID:17365 Activity:very high
1/28    What do people think is the best Window Manager nowadays?
        I've been using fvwm2, but I'm wondering if there are better
        ones out there.
        \_ CDE!  The Common Desktop Environment!  Better Windows than Windows!
           It's fast, small, easy to use, has easy configuration, multiple
           desktops, virtual desktops, multiple backgrounds, it's the industry
           standard and has a whole host of other great features!!!!  Which
           just goes to show that just because something has a nice feature
           list doesn't mean it's worth more than a bucket of piss with a
           hole in the side.
        \_ Neal Stephenson writes in his famous "In the Beginning was
           the Command Line" essay:
                "I have my eye on a completely different window manager
                called Enlightenment, which may be the hippest single
                technology product I have ever seen, in that (a) it is
                for Linux, (b) it is freeware, (c) it is being
                developed by a very small number of obsessed hackers,
                and (d) it looks amazingly cool; it is the sort of
                window manager that might show up in the backdrop of
                an Aliens movie."
                \_ Point by point: Reason A: That's nice.  B: That's nice.
                   C: So what?  D: So what?
                \_ Stephenson is a writer, not a hacker.
                  \_ Stephenson is also an idiot.
                        \_ And said exactly what has already been said, that
                           Enlightenment is way kewl and uh also really kewl
                           looking, and it has themez and its kewl and yeah!
                   \_ I use E at work, and interestingly, it's never
                      crashed at me, never gotten too slow (on a PPro200
                      running FreeBSD.)  It does all the stuff I want a
                      WM to do (icons, background menus, virtual desktops,
                      etc) with an amazingly small amount of setup, it has
                      a great, simple configurator (as opposed to editing
                      dozens of lines of weird config syntax, I can have
                      the configurator do it for me), and regardless of how
                      I want the eye candy part of it to look, I'll always
                      find a ready-to-run theme for it.  What else could I
                      want?  Just because I have self-flagellation as an
                      option, doesn't mean I have to do it... -John
                        \_ And it has themez!!1  And itz kewl!
                        \_ twm has a great, simple configurator: ED.
                           Ed _is_ the standard, you know.
        \_ twm. anything older just doesn't work as well, anything newer either
           leaves important things out or contains too much bloat. and twm,
           like /bin/csh, is already Everywhere You Want To Be (tm).

           and what's more, twm doesn't waste space on my TIMEX SINCLAIR:

-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     wheel          24 Jan  1  1970 /usr/X11R6/bin/twm*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     wheel      156904 Sep 29 17:39 /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm2*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     wheel  2.23499e23 Oct 12 14:55 /usr/bin/enlightenment*

           I don't hold much confidence in the last decade's crop
           of "stripped-down" window managers. but (and I say this
           without having used it much), blackbox is not too bad,
           if you like the AfterSteppish look. all IMNSHO,  -brg
           \_ Blackbox is a really stripped down window manager:
                 <DEAD>portal.alug.org/blackbox<DEAD>
           \_ ED! ED! ED is the... oh.  -geordan

        \_ If you want a stand-alone, nice-looking, easy to configure with GUI
           interface, fast and stable window manager try WindowMaker.
           Although, I find that Elightenment integrates better
           with GNOME (which I really don't need)
        \_ enlightnment, if you like living on the bleeding edge
        \_ Emacs
                \-twm --psb
        \_ If you want to do work, use twm or one of the derivatives that
           allows virtual windows.  If you want to fuck around and be kewlist
           k1d on the bl0ck, then get enlightenment, or anything else that
           has "many themez!!!11" as its claim to fame.
           \_ Though I agree that enlightenment is rather garish, inclusion
              of themes does not make a wm bad.  I get plenty of work done
              on WindowMaker, which supports themes. -- ilyas
              \_ I've used WindowMaker and it seems like a clone of AfterStep.
                 I personally use sawmill at home and CDE (bleh!) at work.
              \_ The mere inclusion of a particular feature does not in and
                 of itself equate to "badness".  However, regarding wms, the
                 projects that focus on kewlness have a tendency to get into
                 MS featuritis and forget about speed and simply usability
                 along the way in the race to be D m0st kewlish \/\//\/\ uv
                 dem awl!  Da B0mb WM uv awl Da B0mb WMs!!!111  Stick with
                 something fast and functional like twm or early derivatives
                 if you want to get work done.  Use the later crap if you
                 have lots of spare cpu and ram and want to be k-rad.
                 \_ Twm is pretty fast, but doesn't support virtual windows.
                        \_ As stated earlier, "If you want to do work, use
                            twm or one of the derivatives that allows virtual
                            windows."  Thank you.
                    Personally I can no longer get work done without some sort
                    of ability to switch between multiple windows or terminals.
                    The one (minor) feature that I like in Windowmaker is the
                    ability to collapse a window to its title bar.  This lets
                    you juggle multiple windows on the screen pretty easily.
                    Admitedly, one shouldn't pick a wm on one feature alone,
                    but WindowMaker failed to annoy me in other ways, and I
                    seem to use the aforementioned collapsing windows a lot.
                    Its memory footprint isn't terribly large either.
                    -- ilyas
                        \_ I didn't like the title bar thing.  Personal
                           preference.
                \_ The major, massive advantage of GNOME (with either
                   Enlightenment or Windowmaker) is that you don't have
                   to spend hours futzing around with stupid config files
                   to create your ideal session; you place windows and save
                   the configuration.  There are plenty of simple themes for
                   people who complain about garishness.  -tom
                   \_ I believe WindowMaker has this feature also, without GNOME.
                      -- ilyas
                   \_ Yeah, and it has a freakin' CORBA ORB in there! GNOME
                      as distributed computing environment! Whee! All to
                      try to replicate OpenDoc.
                   \_ The default twm is perfectly functional with zero futz.
                        \_ gee, does the default twm place my 8 terminals,
                           xload, xclock, and netscape exactly where I want
                           them?  -tom
                           \_ Yes.
                                \_ without futzing?  No.  Shut up.  -tom
                        \-twm + 3 monitors. who needs virtual real estate when
                        you can have real real estate. --psb
                        \_ Uh, people who can't have real real estate?
2000/1/28-29 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:17366 Activity:nil
1/28    Follow up to GC in Java. How do you:
        1) look at the memory space/usage in JVM
        2) force GC on Java 1.2?
        3) How is HotSpot GC implemented?
        \_ http://java.sun.com
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