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| 2000/1/20 [Uncategorized] UID:17271 Activity:high |
1/19 Poll: Average number of years spent at a company (excluding
contractors)
\_ < 1 year 0
1-2 years 2
2-3 years 1
4-6 years 1
7+ 0
\_ < 1 year 1
1-2 years 3
\_ Only for lame jobs or lame people (hi jsl & cmlee!)
\_ What about people that recently started work at a new
job, fuckhead?
\_ "average number of years" obviously means for all
the jobs you've had, twink. -tom
1-2 years 5
2-3 years 2
4-6 years 2
7+ 10
\_ seriously?
\_ no. |
| 2000/1/20 [Recreation/Dating] UID:17272 Activity:insanely high |
1/19 The Defense of Marriage Act, or the Knight Initiative, proposes to
amend the California constitution to ban same-sex marriages.vote Yes
- turin /
What a stunning argument for your position! __/
\_ And for all you non bigots out there go to http://www.samesexmarriage.org
and download the petition to legalize same sex marriages in CA,
fill it out, and mail it in. Or you can get it from
/csua/tmp/petition.pdf -aspo
\_ Unlikely that such a petition could pass since it would require a
change in the CA constitution (the Family code) which already
limits marriages to be man + woman. Prop 22 is aimed at
preventing same-sex marriages performed somewhere else to be
recognized here.
\_ your point? It is a petition to get a prop on the ballot.
Nothing more. That is how things work in this state. -aspo
to his or her own opinions and prejudices) obviosly you are
\_ Constitutional changes require a 3/4 majority (or is it
2/3) instead of simple majority.
\_ how is that being a bigot? - turin
(amend: bigot: : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted
to opinions that dont agree with mine) obviosly you are
a bigot. Am I a bigot because I believe gravity keeps me
on earth just as I believe marriage is meant for male/female?
Sounds like you want to change something that wasn't meant
for you that you have no right to.
\_ the really unbelieveable thing is that this isn't
a troll. -tom
\_ The really unbelievable thing is that you are incapable of
seeing another point of view and yet likely call yourself
"tolerant."
\_ 50 years ago people thought marriage was something that
should only happen between a man and a woman of the same
race. Interracial marriages were outlawed in many states.
And yet if I were to claim they sohuld be outlawed now
I would justifiably be called a bigot. The only difference
between being a bigot in your case is that it is more
socially acceptable to be bigotted against homosexuals
right now. Why don't you stop trying to discriminate
against homosexuals and go back to dooshing for the lord.
-aspo
\_ As if it were the same thing.
\_ i am glad to see whites marrying blacks/chinese- turin
\_ analogy. turin. bigot.
\_ All you whiteys are marrying the asian babes, and I
can't get any dates!!! Go to HELL!!! - Hoyt Sze
\_ Damn, the infamous Hoyt Sze! Is that really you man?
I totally agree. Nothing's worse than observing
fine Asian women married to completely dorky pale idiots.
-swings
\_ It's just that we don't have such little bitty
thingies, and we don't drive lowered Mazdas, and
we can drink without turning beet red.
-Studly tanned genius
\_ gaijin fool! lowered HONDAS are the TRUE way
of studliness
p.s. turin, you're a bigot b/c you are not tolerant
of things that deviate from what is considered
"normal" and therefore "right." It has nothing
to do with God. It's just a sexual preference,
just as other animals exhibit.
\_ and eating your mate after you have sex with
them is just a sexual preference.
\_ aspo, you immediately call me a bigot, perhaps you
are discriminating against heterosexuals? Anywayz, marriage
is a sacred/holy act that represents the Union between
a man and a woman that is a type of the Union God wants
with mankind, which is basically a picture of the result
which of union of Christ and the Church as a groom and a
bride. If God thinks homosexuality is an abomination of
obviously marriage is sanctioned by God only for a man and
and a woman. That's what marriage is, and you want to
\_ Marriage is not restricted to christians. If
modify it to suit your own wants. So how can you claim
something that is not meant for you? perhaps you are the
one stealing something that doesn't belong to youf- turin
\_ The government has already claimed marriage and
modified it to suit it's own purposes. If you
really believe that you need to defend the
sanctity and holiness of marriage, you need to
get the government completely uninvolved.
\_ Marriage is not restricted to christians.
\_ No, but funny how just about every other
religion also agrees on the little detail of
marriage = 1 man, 1 woman.
(well, sometimes, higher numbers on one
side or another, but still...)
If
you demand that the nature of marriage conforms
to a christian ideal, you are enforcing the
restrictions of your religion on others who do
not practice it. It's hard for me to imagine
that anyone would condone such a thing, but
humans have an amazing ability to fall short
of even my expectations. -niloc
\_ if you think that the legal definition of marriage
(for everyone, not just people who believe in your
god) must be the same as the one that your god has
defined, then you are a bigot. qed. -lila
\_ He's not claiming anything from your God. Do you have
any idea what same sex marriage debate is about other
than what you've been told by your pastor/cult leader?
Get a clue. -scotsman
\_ but he's claiming something of God for himself-turin
\_ You assume that he's gay and looking to get
married. Again I say "Get a clue." -scotsman
\_ i just posted my reason for voting yes, aspo
assumes I am a bigot, discriminating, but the
real reason that marriage doesn't belong to
gays who want to marry, regardless if aspo is
is one or not - turin
\_ This post has failed the basic grammar
check. You may speak to scotsman when
you have more clue. -scotsmanmotdgrokker
\_ Can you tell the difference between saying "I don't
agree with something that doesn't affect me, so you
can't do it" what you are saying about gay marriage)
and "I'm going to do something that doesn't affect you
but that you don't agree with"? That is not
discriminating against "heterosexuals" (if by
heterosexuals you mean religiously intolerant bigots)
in any way shape or from. Guess what, we don't live
in a theocracy. God's will has nothing to do with our
legal system. Or at least it shouldn't have anything
to do with it. -aspo
\_ ever read the Bill of Rights? Godgiven rights?
\_ The Bill of Rights says nothing about God. The
closest it comes is in the First Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion " -tom
\_ which means the whole idea of 'legal marriage'
is against the constitution anyway.
\_ uh, no. The legal definition of marriage
(that is, not turin's) involves the
definition of a family and the disbursment
of related benefits. There's nothing
religious about it. -tom
\_ did you ever happen to notice that not everyone
in this country is christian?
\_ what does being Christian have to do with
the Bill of Rights?
\_ What does being christian have to do
with tax laws, insurance policy, or
inheritance right? -scotsman
\_ nothing, what's your point?-turin
\_ sigh. see above re: knowing what
same sex marriage debate is about.
-scotsman
\_ mumble mumble separation of church and state
-geordan
\_ vote whatever you want, we are in a democracy but
I don't call people names - turin
\_ i'd rather people call me names than legally
require that i live under the rules of a god
that i don't believe in and disagree with. -lila
\_ "A prayer in a public school! God has no place within
these walls, just like facts have no place within organized
religion." - The Simpsons
\_ Listen, you have a large number of God-lovin' Americans out
there who will NOT accept "same-sex marriage". They will, however,
after much persuasion accept "same-sex domestic partnership"
as a separate category. The issue then becomes making the rights
of the partnership the same as the rights in marriage (make it
into another checkbox on the 1040). Then after 40 years of
old-fashioned people DYING people will merge the two categories
into one checkbox of "married" or one checkbox of "married or
same-sex domestic partnership".
\_ oh we are going to treat you like second class citezens for a
while but don't worry aobut it. See after you die it might
just happen that that will go away. What bullshit.
\_ Yeah, God-lovin' and old-fashioned Americans sure suck
don't they? Unfortunately, they are why there is no
same-sex marriage, and there are a hell of a lot of them.
\_ axiom 1. -tom
\_ This thread has failed the Turin test.
(Sorry, someone had to say it) -geordan
\_ "One nation, under God, indivisible"
\_ you're an idiot, tpc.
particularly since "under God" was added to the pledge
in the 1950s. -tom
\_ you and your facts. twink. - tpc
\_ "In God We Trust"
\_ That was added to the 2 cent coin in 1864,
and to all forms of cash in 1955. Try again
\_ "All Others Pay Cash"
\_ Interesting. I didnt know they read the motd in Italy, let
alone made a test on it.
\_ The t.u.r.i.n. <=> k.c.h.a.n.g. Theorem. - chucky
\_ I guess it's true than when you become conservative enough,
you start seeming liberal. If the majority of people want
same sex marriage to be recognized by the state, then it
will be. As I've said before on wall, I would exclude
marriage from any legal mention whatsoever as it is religion
based, and doesn't belong on the books. -ax
\_ the majority of people are too stupid to make an
intelligent decision about which brand of socks to buy,
let alone about complex and subtle issues like those
which get voted on in initiatives. -tom
\_ Hence Plato's opinion that democracy is the second worst
form of government (after tyranny). We need a philosopher
king. -- ilyas
\_ What is your postal address, I have a one way plane
ticket to mauritania for you. |
| 2000/1/20-21 [Reference/Law/Court, Computer/SW] UID:17273 Activity:moderate |
1/19 http://linuxcentral.com/linux/LDP/rms.txt Is it really true that amazon has patented the use of cookie in online ordering? I thought they are not even the first one to use it. Can I patent eating food through my mouth? \_ Anyone who thinks amazon patented cookies has either not read the patent (very likely), understands nothing about patent law (highly likely), or is a complete moron. Choose any two of the above. The fact that the court has prevented amazon competitors from using amazon's patented one-click technology makes it clear that the court feels amazon is likely to win it's case in a trial. I trust the opinion of the court on this matter more than I trust the opinion of the uninformed slashdot masses who would all be super geniuses if they knew 1/10th of what they think they know about the world or anything in it. \_ They patented "One-Click Shopping" which uses cookies. And if you worded it right, you could probably convince the morons in the patent office to issue a patent for eating with your mouth. \_ Quick! Patent the "9 items or less" line and sue every supermarket chain in the country! \_ patent office workers are underpaid and overworked and if you were knowledgable enough to approve good technology patents you wouldn't be working there \_ Wasn't Albert Einstein a patent clerk? --dim \_ Exactly. That's why he quitted, and that's why he didn't bother patenting his Theory of Relativity. (If he worded it right, he could've even patented a theorem, right?) \_ Wrong. The one rare thing patent law is explicit about is that you can't patent laws of nature. If he BUILT something using the principle, however.... -alexf \_ But you can patent DNA sequences! That sounds like it's in conflict with the above statment. \_ That's an ongoing debate. Check specifics with someone who knows more than I do. -alexf \_ Which reminds me of this: computer programs were thought of as algorithms, which were math, which was laws of nature. How was computer programs excluded from this law and became patentable? \_ Software is now considered an implementation and not an algorthym. If you look up the exact definition of algorythm you'll find pretty much zero software falls under that definition. In very simple terms, the law considers software to be no different than hardware in terms of patent- ability. Software is an expression of the idea, the same way hardware is. You build it with bits instead of widgets. Consult a patent lawyer if you want a full legal explanation. IANAL. \_ I think there's been some debate about whether or not software should be patentable, or just \_ http://lpf.ai.mit.edu copyrighted-- but the original reasoning of software patents had to do with the analogy that a computer given the software of a word processor was bascially similar to the invention of a typewriter. \_ What's the difference between patent and copyright? \_ Copyright protects things that can be copied (text, images, music, etc.) Patents protect inventions. \_ Hell, you're composed of atoms--basically your ideas are just random fluctuations of nature. How can you patent anything? |
| 2000/1/20-22 [Recreation/Travel/LasVegas] UID:17274 Activity:nil |
1/9 http://www.consumerreview.com cool, Boohoo! \_ hey it's got another cal alumnus. |
| 2000/1/20 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Domestic/Gay, Reference/Religion] UID:17275 Activity:low |
1/19 A related question to the homo marrieages/Christian thread below.
A while back there was a contraversial play where Jesus had sex
with all 12 of his disciples. You know, during the last supper.
It was a big gay orgy. Anybody remember the name of the play?
\_ I remember there was a big discussion about Jesus and John
as lovers. |
| 2000/1/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:17276 Activity:very high |
1/20 Filesystem 512-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
/dev/da0e 2540480 2332740 4502 100% /var/mail
CLEAN UP YOUR MAIL SPOOLS YOU HOZERS!
\_ no, add more disks to support our huge mail quotas!
\_ I propose we squish more people and delete their home (e.g. kchang)
\_ I propose to have a mail quotas smaller than 8mb. If
soda does not have enough disk space, why have such huge
mail quotas in first place?.
As far as I can see none of the users below is above their
quota. I don't see a reson why they should be squished
-anonymous coward
5443134 scharpen
5004733 ying
4951795 egwall
4939696 joy
4862243 ivy
4841636 blyon
4825914 yule
4822396 andrea
4800332 kane
4786558 innami
4737733 clarie
4704368 hankwong
4688583 jean
4646727 blojo
4603297 mackn
4499982 lleong
4459360 anjie
4413419 duyphun
4400330 jones
4321963 ramses
5443134 scharpen 4737733 clarie
5004733 ying 4704368 hankwong
4951795 egwall 4688583 jean
4939696 joy 4646727 blojo
4862243 ivy 4603297 mackn
4841636 blyon 4499982 lleong
4825914 yule 4459360 anjie
4822396 andrea 4413419 duyphun
hundreds of hours of works. -tom
\_ Fascinating. 8.5% of the users consume 50% of the space. 15%
consume about 70%. This is fine of course unless the spool runs
out of space.
4800332 kane 4400330 jones
4786558 innami 4321963 ramses
\_ End the Bolt Action domination of the mail spool!
\_ How about these folks? kchang isn't even in the running. Do you
people really need 4-5 MB in your mailspool?
\_ it's really stupid to quibble about 5MB when 18GB disks
cost $300. -tom
\_ Fine, so donate $300 to CSUA and shut up.
\_ the CSUA gets a budget every year, this is a fine
thing to spend money on. And I have donated quite
a bit of money to the CSUA over time, not to mention
hundreds of hours of work. -tom
\_ The point is, a free resource always leads to a
shortage. Sure, you've put resources into soda,
and look at your spool usage--you're actually
being responsible with it. I'd bet that that
majority of hte names there haven't given squat to
soda. (surprised to see blojo up there)
\_ an 18GB disk for mail would allow an
average spool size of 7MB (2600 passwd
entries). Considering that there's not
a single mail spool larger than that now,
we're looking at years and years before
even actively irresponsible usage could
fill it. -tom
\_ Great. So why don't we just purchase the
disk and be done with it. Anyone?
\_ Fascinating. 8.5% of the population consume 50% of the wealth.
15% consume about wealth. This is fine of course unless the spool
runs out of space.
\_ Fascinating. 8.5% of the population consume 50% of the space.
15% consume about 50% of the space. This is fine of course unless
the spool runs out of space.
\_ Space consumption always has a skewed distribution.
\_ Can't we just have a quota system with slightly smaller mail-spool
limits? Most people would be fine with it...
\_ I propose we adjust all mail user agents and delivery agents to
put the users' mail spools in their home directories, so that we
dont have this double mail spool/disk usage problem. -ERic
\_ Just make a link from /var/mail/foo to ~foo/mbox or such? -- yuen
\_ they do this where I work, and it leads to more dropped mail
and related problems because of the relative instability of
home mounts to the mail server, common home file overfills,
etc.
\_ soda's home directories arent remote-mounted.
\_ I think mail-in-home-dir is a reasonable setup but it
doesn't really help the problem of inadequate disk space.
In fact it's worse because people filling up their home
directories with coding projects will hoze mail. -tom |
| 2000/1/20 [Uncategorized] UID:17277 Activity:kinda low |
1/19 Are there any contract agencies that specialize in providing
advanced Win32 programming resources?
\_ "resources"?
\_ as in people, the most precious asset of a company.
\_ go away, evil people-as-commodities person! |
| 2000/1/20-22 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:17278 Activity:moderate |
1/20 Where is a good place to find Regular Expression and Regular
Substitution package for Java?
\_ http://www.javaregex.com -vann
\_ Just use perl.
\_ java.text
\_ GNU has one and oroinc is the best (oroinc.com ?). It's Perl5
regex in Java. |
| 2000/1/20 [Recreation/Activities] UID:17279 Activity:moderate |
1/20 How's Lake Tahoe snow right now?
\_ No snow in the lake. Still water. |
| 2000/1/20-21 [Science/Space, Computer/SW/Editors/IDE] UID:17280 Activity:kinda low |
1/20 Total lunar eclipse tonight.
The partial eclipse begins at 07:01 PM; totality at 8:05 pm.
\_ TOTALITY. STEEL MONKEY IS ON A KILLING SPREE! HUMILIATION.
\_ TOTALITY. STEEL MONKEY IS ON A KILLING SPREE! HUMILIATION. -mogul |
| 2000/1/20 [Finance/Investment] UID:17281 Activity:nil 70%like:17282 |
1/20 So do people consider it okay to alter motd posts? That is, not delete
them but change the text of some else's post?
\_ depends on the entertainment value.
\_ people do it, but I don't think its right |
| 2000/1/20 [Finance/Investment] UID:17282 Activity:nil 70%like:17281 |
1/20 So do people onsphider it okay to alter motd pot? That is, not delete
them butt change the text of some else's pot?
\_ depends on the entertainment value.
\_ people do yermom, but I don't think its right |
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