Berkeley CSUA MOTD:1999:December:21 Tuesday <Monday, Wednesday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
1999/12/21 [Recreation/Dating] UID:17075 Activity:very high
12/20   Of the 200 some primate species living today, we are the only one
        that are bi-pedal (walk exclusively on two hind legs). What happened?
        \_ God made it that way
        \_ Excepting, of course, yer mom.  -John
        \_ God fucked up
        \_ Geez, take an anthro course, why doncha? There's only one
           species of anything with a 12 foot neck anymore, either.
           \_ humans and dolphins are the only two species that has sex
           It's called "adaptation"+"competition"
        \_ humans are the only ones that use symbolic language,
           so what's your point?
           \_ humans and dolphins are the only two species that have sex
              for pleasure.
              \_ How did you conclude this about Dolphins?  They practise
                 contraception too?
                 \_ Perhaps from personal experience?
              \_ Incorrect.  All mammals have sex for pleasure. Humans
                 (and probably dolphins and possibly chimps...) are the
                 only animals that have sex with the intent to procreate.
                        So where do all those other baby animals _/
                        come from?  Accidents?
                        \_ Richard Gere's butt.
                        \_ They have sex, they procreate, but they have
                           no "intent" to procreate.  People will have
                           sex to make babies.  Animals do sex for sex.
                           \_ Good point.
                 Also, Bonobos are an example of another animal that has
                 sex purely for recreation, as well as for conflict
                 resolution and a myriad of other reasons. (Bonobos have a
                 LOT of sex) -crebbs
                 \_ Add male-male/female-female genital rubbing to the list,
                    as proof of non-procreative purpose
                \_ PRINCETON RUB!
                \_ In Soda Hall?
1999/12/21-24 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:17076 Activity:very high
12/20   This random guy called me on the hallway to help him out. He said
        that I looked like a sys adm. What the hell does that mean?
        Is there a typical sys adm look?                        -sys adm
        -- Stereotype , yes
        \_ And you told this clown to fuck off after that comment, right?
        \_ Suspenders, possibly a slight gut, and a big, bushy beard.
          \_ dont forget a free t-shirt that's 2 sizes too small
           \_ Long unkept hair that fails to make you look cooler...
            \_ pastey skin
        \_ You were walking around with your head stuck up your ass?
                      only hired to do work the developers consider to
        \_ Do you pretend you're a programmer because you know Perl?
                \_ do you pretend dealing with pointers is more interesting
                   or difficult than solving problems?  -tom
                   \_ do you whine about not understanding pointers?
                   \_ Do you pretend you're indispensible when really you're
                      only hired to do work the developers consider too
                      menial to do themselves?
                        \_ Most developers couldn't sysadmin their way out of
                           a wet paper bag.  They're lucky to get their own
                           machine running.
                           \_ figuring out how to get things running is
                              part of the "too menial" bit.  It isn't hard
                              it just takes time to learn.  Compare that
                              with what would happen if you stuck a sysadmin
                              in an engineering position.
                              \_ Well gee, as if programming is so fucking hard.
                                 It "just takes time to learn".  Idiot.
                              \_ Engineering is ALL ABOUT "getting things to
                                 \_ right. As someone with a CS degree, I'm
                                    a better sysadmin than any programmer here
                                    AND I'm a better programer than anyone
                                    \_ So you're lazy and you don't want to
                                       make a difference in the world.  Well,
                                       a man's got to know his limitations.
                                    here. So I choose to do sysadmin.
                                    Less work, more money.
                                        \_ Me: cs dgree, no; programmer: no;
                                           under 40 hrs/wk: yes; more money
                                           than 99% of cs degree
                                           programmers: yes; says good night
                                           on the way out every day to the
                                           programming team: yes; smarter than
                                           your average bear: you betcha!
                                                -sysadmin and loving it
                                           \_ Asshole: yes; pull statistics
                                              out of ass: yes; consider money
                                              primary motivation for job: yes
                                                \_ I'd work for anything but
                                                   money?  You're not one of
                                                   those Open Source freaks
                                                   are you?  "Asshole" is just
                                                   you being jealous and
                                                   bitter.  Since I'm making
                                                   well over 100k and I can
                                                   read job postings, it isn't
                                                   too hard to figure out if
                                                   I'm making more or less than
                                                   99% of programmers of any
                                                   sort.  Happy coding!
                                              \_ whats so wrong with that?
                        \_ Do you collect same money for only 40hr/wk?
                                \_ Or more money for less than 40hr/wk?
                        \_ I don't work for developers.  -tom
        \_ Do you complain about Java being inefficient because its'
           interpreted, but praise Perl?
                \_ They have different uses.
        \_ You don't eat anything that can't be found in a vending machine?
        \_ You look smug because you earn more than all the bitter
           programmers?  Oh wait, that's over here, not in the US.
                \_ Here too in the US, John.
1999/12/21-24 [Industry/Startup] UID:17077 Activity:low
12.21   Anyone heard of a telco called Level3?  any supp info that's not
        on their webpage?
        \_ yes, I even know a few folks who work there.
           \_ so is it just another buzzword compliant startup with lots of
              $$$ trying to build voice over ip?  Looks like they want to
              get rid of the sonel layer completely,
              do you think they're a good buy (stock)
              or a good company idea?
        \_ Their datacenter in SF is pretty good.
1999/12/21-23 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:17078 Activity:low
12/20   Expecting a serious answer: did lwall@soda ever actually refer to
        the Larry Wall responsible for perl? That is, is he really the
        originator of `wall`?
                        \_ : Command not found.
        \_ No.
        \_ Yes.
        \_ Maybe.
1999/12/21-23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17079 Activity:high
12/21   does /csua/tmp gets cleaned whenever soda reboots?  Or via a cron
        job? How do we get some of these huge (and quite old) files off the
        \_ It gets cleared when it fills and someone gets bored enough to mail
           all the people who've forgotten they left their crap there.  But,
           since there's plenty of space there now, why do you care?
           \_ Some people just are curious. And just because there's plenty
              of space now doesn't mean there always will be.
                \_ an issue that will be delt with when it is the case
           \_ Sloppy sysadmining due to "lots of space" is no excuse.  A cron
              job that wipes files older than X days is trivial.  I care
              because this raises questions about how soda is admin'd in other
              ways.  I don't keep anything important here but soda itself is.
              \_ you are a moron. --aaron
                \_ actually a cron job that wipes files older than X days
                   that isn't a massive security hole is far from trivial -tom
                   \_ are you talking about linking files like /etc/passwd
                      into some link in /tmp?
                    \_ chown nobody:nobody /csua/tmp and run cron job as nobody.
                        \_ there are subdirectories.  chowning them all is
                           not really an option (and has its own security
                           problems).  -tom
                \_ Uh huh.  Because I'm not sloppy?  No one would sign something
                   that stupid.  You can't be aaron.
                   \_ This just proves it even more --pld
                \_ You're missing the point of /csua/tmp - stuff is supposed
                   to stay there longer than a couple of days, as long as
                   everyone plays nicely.
               \_  Having a cron job to wipe files older than X days is just
                   going to make the /csua/tmp diskhosers set up cron jobs to
                   touch their files every X-1 days.  It's a stupid idea. -ERic
                   \_ tom can easily figure out how to do it perfectly.
                     \_ tom already pointed out that it is difficult to do
                        properly.  get a clue.
1999/12/21-24 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:17080 Activity:nil
12/21   What's a good ISP for Southern California?
        \_ ED!  ED!  ED is the STANDARD!  Southern California Internet
           Service Provider.
        \_ Earthlink
1999/12/21-24 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:17081 Activity:nil
12/21   'man' works, man -k (apropos) doesn't ("/usr/share/man/windex: No
        such file or directory").  What do i need to do?
        \_ unsetenv MANPATH
        \_ use catman -w
        \_ Read the man page for man of course
1999/12/21-24 [Uncategorized] UID:17082 Activity:nil
1999/12/21-22 [Uncategorized] UID:17083 Activity:nil
12/20   Ignorant animal walking/sex thread purged.
Berkeley CSUA MOTD:1999:December:21 Tuesday <Monday, Wednesday>