Berkeley CSUA MOTD:1999:December:06 Monday <Sunday, Tuesday>
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1999/12/6 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:17010 Activity:low 66%like:17015
12/5    When are class accounts turned off?
        \_ The day after finals.
          \_ Why the _FUCK_ are you asking this on the Soda motd?  Cripes,
             get a cl00.  --sowings
        \_ Have you tried reading the login messages on your class account
                or <DEAD>www-inst.eecs<DEAD> ?
1999/12/6-7 [Health/Disease/General, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:17011 Activity:high
12/5    Got LOTS of old books (comic books, 1991 text books, etc) and an old
        computer monitor to get rid of. Can I simply dump these things into
        the trashcan?
        \_ throw them in my room!  - danh
        \_ it is illegal to dump industrial waste. you need to dispose them
           properly.
           \_ monitors qualify as "industrial waste"?
              \_ no, silly. comic books do!
           \_ this is as useful as "Ride bike" and "use linux", troller!
              \_ No it isn't.  Everyone needs to RIBE BIKE! and USE LINUX! but
                 not "read comix!" or "eat industrial waste!"
                    \_ U53 W1ND0Z3 MAN. W1N98 15 50 KRAD. 1T CAN RUN 3V3RYTH1N6
                          THAT L1NUX CANT MAN. SO USE W1ND0Z3 CUZ 1T5 C00L
                        \_ I even run Linux under windows.
        \_ trashcan. You will not live long enough to see the ecological
           disaster that we gen-X created.
            \_ Moron.  The current 20-30s folks have done next to nothing.
               You're not old enough and most of the crap you have will bio
               degrade in under 10 years anyway.  The real damage was done in
               the 60's and 70's when all sorts of chemical waste was dumped
               straight into the food chain and it's still there today.  Check
               the cancer rates going up and the fertility rates going down
               over the last 30 years.  Idiot child, you'll be lucky to live
               long enough to understand the ecological disaster created before
               you were even born that you're living in today.  Don't worry
               about your grandkids.  If you're not sterile, your children
               will be.
                \_ Nothing you throw away biodegrades.  Modern landfills are
                   designed to be so sanitary and disease free, they're
                   sterile - especially parts declared full and sealed off.
                   \_ I was specifically thinking of the waste from fast food.
                      Anyway, after the Coming Event, there won't be anyone to
                      keep nature from running her course.
1999/12/6 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:17012 Activity:insanely high
12/6    Is anyone speaking at the GM?

12/7(?) Can anyone point me to a good CISC vs. RISC article / paper? Thanx.
        \_ Patterson & Hennessey
           \_ something like "A case for RISC" from Computer Architecture
              News" by David Patterson (1980).  There's also a very famous
              dissertation from a Berkeley student.  If you give me some
              time I'll look it up.
1999/12/6-7 [Uncategorized] UID:17013 Activity:moderate
12/6    2 Q's. Just found a bottle of T-Max, fix powder, and stop bath.
        They are approx 6 years old. Are they still usable? 2nd Q. What
        is a good on-line darkroom supply store? Thx.
        \_ ED!  ED!  ED is the STANDARD!  On-Line Darkroom Supply Store.
        \_ Almost certainly not.  Don't be cheap.  Buy new chemicals.
        \_ http://www.bhphotovideo.com  -- yuen
1999/12/6-7 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:17014 Activity:very high
12/6    Is anyone speaking at the GM?
        \_ Yes.
        \_ 1'|| SP34|<, d00d! -B1FF

12/7(?) Can anyone point me to a good CISC vs. RISC article / paper? Thanx.
        \_ Wasn't the consensus that the argument is meaningless?
           Most chips today have the best qualities of both.
           \_ No, most designers avoid CISC if at all possible.  Intel chips
              allow for their legacy CISC ISA to run on their modern
              chips but that's just a hack (CISC instructions are decoded
              into micro-RISC ops).  Basically, many things will not work
              unless what you execute are RISC instructions (pipelining,
              Tomasulo dynamic execution, etc...).  Intel chips suffer in
              that all instructions must pass through one extra level of
              decoding which could effect branch prediction recovery and
              because variable length instructions can cross cache block
              boundries instruction causing miss penalties and rates to go up.
        \_ Patterson & Hennessey
           \_ something like "A case for RISC" from Computer Architecture
              News" by David Patterson (1980).  There's also a very famous
              dissertation from a Berkeley student.  If you give me some
              time I'll look it up.
              \_ - D. Patterson & D. Ditzel, "The Case for the Reduce
                   Instruction Set Computer," Computer Architecture
                   News 8,6 (Oct 15, 1980)
                 - Manoils Katevenis, "Reduced Instruction Set
                   Computer Architecture for VLSI," PhD Dissertation,
                   EECS, UC Berkeley, 1982.
                   --jeff
                   \_ Are what they said still more or less valid, now that
                      it's been two decades and the industry has been moving
                      fast?
                      \_ kubi seemed to have recommended the reading to us.
                         he didn't recommend anything more recent but probably
                         because more recent work in architecture isn't
                         focused on ISA as much as it was in the 80's
                         --jeff
        \_ "Why my x86 r00lz y0r powermac!!!11", Dudester69!11
1999/12/6-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:17015 Activity:high 66%like:17010
12/5    When are soda accounts turned off?
        \_ The day after finals.
          \_ Why the _FUCK_ are you asking this on the Soda motd?  Cripes,
             get a cl00.  --sowings
        \_ Have you tried reading the login messages on your class account
                or <DEAD>www-inst.eecs<DEAD> ?
        \_ never if you mean "csua.soda" ones, but i think you mean "class"
           accts.  see above.
                \_ Correction: your soda account can be shut down for
                   various reasons, all of which are in the various
                   policy docs under /csua/share and /csua/adm -- but
                   soda accounts do not have any built-in time limits.
                   -brg
                   \_ You mean my account isn't automatically shutoff when I
                      get enough Twink Points from the Twink God????
                      \_ No, but Your English sure soundsdumb.  Maybe you
                         should English Classes and learn how to writeit???
                         \_ You're hypocrticalness iz shownig everyne that
                            Your just stupid and my english wuz better then
                            You'rez so you just shutup.  In fact, my English
                            was perfect.  Please check with your 3rd grade
                            teacher before posting on the motd about someone
                            else's spelling, grammar, or syntax.  Thanks.
                            Play again, Yes/no?  Insert coin to continue....
Berkeley CSUA MOTD:1999:December:06 Monday <Sunday, Tuesday>