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| 1999/12/3-7 [Uncategorized] UID:16993 Activity:nil |
12/02 GM. Mon 6, 1500 Hrs 337 Soda or Woz. |
| 1999/12/3 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:16994 Activity:high |
12/2 Can someone recommend a mail reader that accomodates cc'ing to
newsgroups, file attachments, and keeping copies of sent-mail
that is not pine? Thanks in advance.
\_ mh.
\_ mh + munpack + procmail
\_ mutt. why the hell would you want to "cc to newsgroups"
\_ why the hell not?
by cc'ing to newsgroups I meant some mail
reader that would have a field or option of sending
a copy of mail to newsgroups. Why would I want to
do this? I frequently send emails to my mailing
lists and like to keep copies of announcements on
my newsgroups. Think about it. |
| 1999/12/3 [Uncategorized] UID:16995 Activity:nil 66%like:17750 |
12/2 Is the JDK installed on soda?
\_ 'locate javac'
\_ Thanks! Had completely forgotton about 'locate'. |
| 1999/12/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, ERROR, uid:16996, category id '18005#4.705' has no name! , ] UID:16996 Activity:low |
12/2 WTO: About as unbiased a view as you're likely to see from any media
outlet. I don't fully agree with everything said in this article but
this is the best I've seen:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/11/29/wto/index.html
\_ http://www.zmag.org/weluser.htm - from your local bleeding
heart liberal
\_ all that article told me was that the WTO won't get anything done
because everyone hates each other
\_ I posted it as an overview for those here here have made it
clear they don't know anything about the WTO.
\-i fyou want good perspective you get it rfom reading multiple
srcs. if you think you can find an unbiased single src, you are
deluding yourself. the article didnt say anything stupid but
it didnt say much interesting stuff either. one this i respect
about the economist is they have a position and this make
arguments ... as opposed to pretending to rpesent "objective
facts". --psb
\_ I am a big fan of the Economist too. However, I think
they miss-judged and underestimated Clinton. Also,
they miss-judged and underestimated US technology led
economy, at least till now. For that, I would have to
say that they are not as good as they used to be.
\_ I didn't say it was unbiased. I didn't say it was
captivating. It's exactly what I was looking for: an
easy to read description of what the WTO is about without
going into fits of PR spew. It's "reasonably" unbiased.
\_ The Economist once provided insightful economic and
political analysis difficult to find outside of research
journals. However, over the past few years its gone soft,
choosing instead to compete with the likes of Time and
Newsweek. It's easy to lose respect for an English owned,
U.S. bashing magazine whose lead story
for well over the past year has been that the U.S.
economy is overheated and going to crash. Anyways,
if they run the story enough times eventually they'll
be right. DOWN WITH THE WTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 1999/12/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:16997 Activity:kinda low |
12/2 Is the politburo on crack? a 3PM meeting? what the hell?
cassandra.
\_ What's wrong with a 3PM meeting? |
| 1999/12/3-5 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:16998 Activity:moderate |
12/3 So I'm using a solaris box trying to look at some info on X-files
at http://www.fox.com What do I get? This shit:
You are running on a platform other than a PC or a Macintosh. Unless
you run on one of these platforms, you will be unable to access
http://FOX.com.
How stupid can they get? What do they gain by this bullshit?
\_ now now, Fox has a lot of quality programming.
\_ Yeah, you'd think they'd be aware of the fact that their target
audience is full of UNIX-using geekboys. Better send Fox a
warning note, before they lose them all to some new Star Trek
thing or RPGs, or something.
\_ Uh huh... like your email note is going to anyone who cares.
\_ Look, you're a stupid unix geek and are roughly 0.0001% of the TV
market. It's better for them to use some cool flashy stuff that
the kids will like than make it so primitive a lynx using geekoid
like you can get the latest Buffy info.
\_ WHEN *nix ATTACK, next on fox at 11
\_ but their only requirements are satisfiable by, e.g. Linux
(Flash and Real). They're just being silly. |
| 1999/12/3-6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:16999 Activity:nil |
12/3 www.csua/library/patrons.txt.old
Return your CSUA library books! Overdue books from 1995?
Sheesh. That's really inconsiderate to the other members.
\_ I know in my case (and probably lots of other people's)
I returned those books and just forgot to cross off my name
-aspo
\_ Sure, sure.... |
| 1999/12/3 [Transportation/Car] UID:17000 Activity:high |
12/3 Is the totally new (and affordable) Toyota Echo technically the same
as the old and crappy Toyota Tercel?
\_ Who cares? It's still overpriced, and fucking ugly to boot.
RIDE BIKE!
\_ USE LINUX!
\_ What's the standard Toyota?
\_ ED is the standard! |
| 1999/12/3-5 [Computer/SW/RevisionControl] UID:17001 Activity:very high |
12/3 Does anyone really like their build management, source code control
software they use for their company/project?
\_ I like Perforce. http://www.perforce.com No build management;
it's just source control. You might also check out BitKeeper. --pld
\_ I used CVS for source code control when I was working. Now
that I'm in grad chool I still use it. CVS is simple, stable,
powerful, easy to use, and the source is available. I
especially like the features which allow people on different
machines to share projects over the internet. -emin
\_ MS Source Safe. Fully compatible.
\_ MS VSS is a load of crap even by Microsoft standards. The only
reason to use it is that you don't know any better.
\_ We ditched CVS for MS Source Safe because CVS is a load
of crap. Source Safe is much much better.
\_ We ditched MS Source Safe for Perforce because SS is a
load of crap (it was into things like losing files and
corrupting change history databases). Perforce is much
much better, nyeah.
\_ user error.
\_ Uh, no. The "we" was a corporate we -- the loss and
corruption happened over a number of SS installations
within my company. Each SS install had its own
dedicated machine and admin (they were supporting
developers on multi-hundred-million-dollar products;
we didn't just hire up some dope-smokin' dropout
from the mailroom and start up source control on a
spare P-66). SS sucks rocks. The only user error
was getting it in the first place. The groups that
were using Perforce or ClearCase from the start had
none of these problems.
\_ Don't believe it. Sorry, but I think you're full
of crap. SS is the best. The idea that you had
20+ machines and 20+ admins to go with them makes
the rest of your story ring false. No one does
that. No one with any talent would take a SS
admin of *one* machine as a full time job.
\_ Hello, have you ever heard of someone doing CM?
Large companies often have at LEAST one CM
person per project.
\_ And reading the followup below, we can see
that I was correct and you're a clueless
fuck. Thank you for playing, come again
soon. Box of Rice A Roni on the way out.
\_ Why not just admit you have no idea what
a CM person does? CM's are relengs
you dumbass.
\_ Uh because I do? Gee, I'm sure what
you know from your one employer is
the only way it could be everywhere.
\_ Someone says that they had an admin
\_ Yes.
doing CM stuff per project. Your
response was that is obviously
false. WELL GUESS WHAT! MOST BIG
COMPANIES HAVE AT LEAST 1 CM i
PER PROJECT.
\_ Heard you without the yelling.
You're still wrong no matter
how many CAPS you use. And
even if you were right (you're
not), a BIG COMPANY doing a
thing doesn't make that a smart
thing. And there aren't that
many talented people around
willing to sit on their asses
all day doing CM. It's a dope
smoker job.
\_ I never said it was smart.
Just that it is. And it is
(true that is)
\_ Yeah whatever. yawn.
\_ Sorry, I was being inaccurate; these people
were releng types, so they had duties beyond
purely being SS admins. But my point was that
the problem was chronic to SS installs across
the company, not a case of SS being screwed up
by one bonehead. But whatever; use what you're
happy with. Hope you keep backups. Don't be
surprised when SS fucks you over, should your
projects ever grow beyond the two-guys-in-a-
garage point to something serious and large-
scale.
\_ They're serious, they're big, they're not
corrupted.
\_ How big (how many files/lines of code/
size in KB/MB of files under source
control)? How many developers do you
have contributing to your projects?
\_ multi-hundred-million-dollar
projects. And you? Some time in
the XCF if you're lucky?
\_ What about Clearcase; Continuus (Remedy?); SCCS; RCS
\_ Clearcase is expensive and has excessive hardware requirements.
If you don't know why RCS won't cut it, you shouldn't be making
the decision.
\_ Clearcase is from Rational (rational bought PureAtria recently
I think). When I first started using it, I hated it. Now I
think it's wonderful. The GUI portion is pretty weak on the
Unix side, but is fabulous on NT.
\_ Clearcase ROCKS!!!!
\_ I like ENVY from OTI. It is a fantastic version control tool and
source code repository. It's basically an object database that
stores every version of every method, class, package, application
you create. It, because of integration with the tools vendors,
it is totally transparent (never need to manually checkin/out).
Plus, it has a nice suite of tools for doing diffs/merging forks
of methods/classes/packages/applications. Works for Smalltalk
and Java.
\_ yeah yeah that's nice, whatever, I use RCS.
\_ use PRCS.-ali
\_ Yes. And No.
\_ And sometimes maybe. |
| 1999/12/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:17002 Activity:nil |
12/3 if ya SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKIN'!!! |