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1999/11/20-22 [Computer/SW/Database] UID:16926 Activity:nil
11/19   Anyone know of an easy way to use perl to query an SQL server?
        (If so, then the follow up question is how.) -emarkp
        \_ Use the DBI module.
        \_ Use the DBD modules.
        \_ If this is an M$ SQL 7.0 server, you can try the FreeTDS stuff
           which is at http://freetds.org or .com or .net or something.
1999/11/20-22 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16927 Activity:moderate
11/18  /var/mail at 100%. Got mail? Get rid of it..
        \_ Root is evil!  Buy more disk!  Ride bike!  Linux wouldn't have
           run out of disk with the new beta3 of the mail compressing file
           system, mcfs!!!
        \_ we need philfs
        \_ We already have philcompress.  root can just use that on /var/mail.
           -- ilyas
           \_ philfs would use philcompress automatically though, and there's
              no telling what other nifty features Phillip would include.
1999/11/20-24 [Industry/Startup] UID:16928 Activity:high
11/19   What's the difference between stock warrants and stock options?
        \_ You can think of warrants as buying stock on margin.  Sort of.
           Options you get as an employee/slave.  Ask your broker for details
           on warrants and why you can't afford to risk buying them.
           \_ Oh yeah, I forgot to mention: warrants have an expiration date.
              You must exercise them by that date or they simply expire and
              then have zero value.
        \_ You make no sense. Options have expiration dates too. Options
           are not only for employee/slave/consultant-types. You can buy
           them on the open market as well. The difference between options
           and warrants is rather fine.
           \_ The expiration date on your options is different because you
              didn't shell out big bucks for the options.  They have no
              value at any point until you vest and then exercise them.  You
              paid real cash out of your pocket for warrants and then get X
              many months to call them in which might possibly be at a huge
              loss.  The difference between options and warrants is huge.
              People, *please* get a broker.  Don't ask for this sort of
              advice on the motd.  You're likely as not to be told the wrong
              thing or get invited on a bike ride or linux install party.
              \_ You contnue to make no sense. If you bought your options
                 on the open market you still can lose big. Like I said
                 the line is fine. Talk to your accountant. (Not your broker.)
                 \_ Your open market purchase is not the same as employee
                    options.  Talk to your own broker or accountant then come
                    back and you can educate us all and explain how warrants
                    and options are the same thing.
                 \_ Man, at least the other guy has some clue.  You just
                    keep shoving your foot in your mouth up to your ankles.
                    keep shoving your feet in your mouth up to your ankles.
                    Last I checked, SHARES are bought on the open market.
                    Stock OPTIONS are usually issued by a company at a price
                    which is fixed or discounted at no cost to the employee.
                    They are usually vested (made available to the employee)
                    at a some rate which varies from company to company.  Once
                    they are available, you have the OPTION (hence the name,
                    fuckwit) of exercising them at the agreed upon cost IF the
                    current market value is such that it would be profitable
                    to do so.  Reminds me of something my dad used to say to
                    me: "If you don't know what you're talking about, SHUT THE
                    FUCK UP!"  I think the other guy (the one you insist makes
                    no sense you freaking moron) has a good point when he says
                    you should be speaking with professionals rather than
                    listening to idiots like youself blather like the ESL
                    students that they are.
        \_ there are also different tax implications --oj
        \_ http://www.invest-faq.com
        \_ My employer offers me ISOs as well as warrants as part of
           compensation.  He said warrants are almost the same as ISOs, and I
           will vest them just like I vest ISOs.

motd chopped from here on down.
\_ Good riddance!
\_ Have you looked into doing circumcisions as a business venture?
   \_ oh stop.  you're getting me all hot and bothered.
   \_ yeah but it was low pay, dirty work, no real IPO chances, and the market
      is already flooded with others doing the same work for near nothing.
      \_ ohmygod.  OHMYGOD.  OH...OHHHHH!!!  *gasp, pant*  See?  Now lookit
         what you've gone an made me do....
1999/11/20-22 [Industry/Startup] UID:16929 Activity:high
11/19   Base Pay?  Stock Options? Big Bonuses?  What's your top priority?
        \_ good management, pleasant co-workers, respect...
           \_ This goes without saying.  Wouldn't work under any other
              conditions.  Once those basic conditions are met, it depends.
        \_ happiness+intellectual wealth. DOWN WITH INDUSTRY AND MATERIALISM!
           GO ACADEMIA AND THE ABSTRACT HAPPINESS!!! INDUSRY SUCKS
           AND ACADEMIA GOOD!!!!!!! B1FF R3WLS!!!
           \_ Can I get any Cal stock options?  Is there an IPO planned for
              Cal anytime soon?  If you can get me at least 25k options over
              3-4 years, I'm in!  GO BEARS IPO!
              \_ <DEAD>Stanford.com<DEAD> seems more likely the <DEAD>cal.com<DEAD>
1999/11/20-22 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:16930 Activity:moderate
11/19   Anyone have a link to a description of where the cache is on the
        celeron vs. where it is on the pentium ][? A friend of mine is
        trying to argue that the celeron's is not on the CPU, but is for the
        pentium. That's just wrong, but I want definitive proof to fuck him up.
        \_ I believe in early editions of the celeron, your friend is right.
                However, in later editions of the celeron, they added a
                cache.  So perhaps you can both be right.
        \_ perhaps this helps one of you:
                http://developer.intel.com/design/celeron
        \_ That's it:  You're both right!
           http://www.anandtech.com/html/articledisplay.cfm?document=277
           Happy Days for Everyone!  Now if only the Bears win the Big Game.
           \_ not bloody likely.  go trees!
        \_ Well, L1 or L2 cache?
        \_ The original Celeron processor had no L2 cache.  It was essentially a
           crippled Pentium II.  The 300A version and later (originally
           named Mendocino) has an integrated 128KB L2 cache on die.
           The Pentium II processor has a 512KB L2 cache on the
           backside, and runs at half processor speed (if chip is 400
           MHz, cache speed is 200MHz).  The Celeron processor cache
           runs at full speed since it's on die.  The new Pentium IIIs
           (Coppermine) have a front-side cache of 256KB (I'm pretty
           sure).  -emarkp (Intel employee)
           \_ Can you get me Intel chips for less than wholesale?
             \_ yes.  as long as you don't need them to be working.
                \_ No fan is ok.  Working is prefered.  You can't even get
                   older stuff for cheap (and working)?
1999/11/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:16931 Activity:moderate
11/20   Proposed letter: "Dear Mr. Buckingham - we in the CSUA have
        noticed your extremely adept use of the english language and
        the usenet forum.  We would like to invite you to join
        the CSUA, so that you can impart your wisdom directly to us
        on our highly esteemed public forum, the motd.  Please stop
        by XXX Soda, and take advantage of this honor."
        \_ Yes!  I simply must have more Wisdom From Da H00d!
        \_ Oh no. Another kchang??
        \_ you guys are giving this guy way too much mind share
1999/11/20-24 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/HW/Display] UID:16932 Activity:low
11/20   the ATI AGP Rage Mobility M-1 doesn't seem to be supported
        by the xfree86 stuff on:
        http://www.xfree86.org/cardlist.html
        correct me if i'm wrong.
        \_ It's not, yet.  Most of Dells new laptop chips aren't.
        \_ USE LINUX!  Windows supports my video card right outta the box.
           RIDE BIKE!  So Windows must be a better OS.
                       \_ damn straight!1!!
        \_ Check out these two pages:
                http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~steveh/inspiron
                http://www.coralys.com/linux/dell7500.shtml
           The Dell Inspiron uses the Mobility, and the first page lists other
           laptops that also have that chip.  Apparently it's supported
           reasonably well. When you get it working, please mail me to let me
           know how well your X runs on it as I'm interested in getting a
           Mobility-based laptop. -mogul
1999/11/20-24 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:16933 Activity:kinda low
11/20   How can I redirect stderr in a dos shell in Windows9x? (I
        *have* to find the answer for Windows--installing Linux isn't a
        solution).
        \_ Install a real shell. Better yet, perl.
           \_ That was useful.  Sheesh.  At least provide the answer.  Go to
              http://jpsoft.com and check out the various 4dos 4nt 4blah products.
              I love perl but my toolbox has more than just one hammer in it.
              I don't ride bike! either.
                \_ I love my hammer but I don't use it to drill holes.
                   perl is a better tool.
                   \_ He wants a dos shell that can properly redirect.  4dos
                      is *exactly* that and more and he can just do a drop in
                      replacement for the msdos http://command.com and continue doing
                      what he was doing without changing anything at all but
                      hit command line shell.  Perl is not the right tool for
                      his command line shell.  Perl is not the right tool for
                      this job.  4dos is the right tool.  http://jpsoft.com.  You're
                      trying to get him to RIDE BIKE! and USE LINUX! when all
                      he needs is a better dos shell. --doesn't BIKE!/LINUX!
        \_ Get bash for dos/win32 along with perl, emacs, gcc and all GNU tools
                at http://www.delorie.com/djgpp
        \_ You can try this which works in NT:
                foo.exe 2> myerr.txt
           But I don't know if it works in Win9x.  --- yuen
1999/11/20 [Uncategorized] UID:16934 Activity:nil
11/20   Just finished the latest Trevor thread.  God, I love that guy.  He
        provides almost as much entertainment as Tom, although not nearly as
        skilled, he sure has heart and certainly Tom has had far more
        experience in the field.
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