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1999/11/14-16 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:16871 Activity:high
11/14   I know they're generally a pretty lame alternative, but how
        would people/root/politburo feel about running a webmail server
        on soda for folks who'd like to check their mail by browser?
        Mind you, I'm not suggesting a public free mail server, but
        currently I have nothing but proxied http net access, and I
        wasn't about to suggest port-redirecting http on scotch to ssh
        the way mconst did with telnet (yay!)  I have been playing with
        MailMan from http://www.endymion.com with the idea of having cron
        move my mail to a restricted directory so I could read it via
        shell account as well as browser.  Has anyone ever considered an
        https server on scotch/soda so http passwords wouldn't be sent
        in cleartext?  Just some thoughts...   -John
        \_ I'd prefer to respond to this over mail. --root
                \_ in my personal experience, root usually replies something
                   and then just delete my mail. fuck root.
                   \_ YOU NO CONJUGATING VERB MUST LIKING VERY MUCH ON
                      \_ What do these acronymns stand for?
                      BOAT GETTING GO TO BACK WHERE YOU COME FROM LEARNED
                      ENGLISH SO MANY DIFFICULT! -(fucker)
                      \_ Go home, fuckered, stop blabbering on the motd.
                         \_ At least (fucker) is funny.  What have you
                            contributed recently?
                   \_ Fuck you.  FOAD --Jon
                      \_ What does this acronymn stand for?
                   \_ Heyyyy, take that back.  meanness to roots is not
                      tolerated.  you must write with respect.
                      --Consumer Affairs Department
        \_ .forward
        \_ Have you thought of getting non-proxy net access?
           \_ I currently forward my mail from soda, and I have a mail
              address and non-proxy net access with a provider.  I
              was simply playing around with ways to get my mail off
              soda through a firewall for the fun of it, and thought that
              maybe, perhaps, possibly, people might be interested in having
              me invest some time to set it up.  Obviously not, since
              I haven't gotten any feedback except from the usual
              too-chickenshit-to-sign-your-name peanut gallery.  -John
                \_ I never sign my name but I didn't add anything to this
                   thread until now.  --too-chickenshit-to-sign-my-name-monkey
        \_ install IMAP & TWIG on a machine with APACHE-SSL
1999/11/14-15 [Uncategorized] UID:16872 Activity:nil
11/13   Is anyone else having problems connecting to agate?
        \_ Yes
          \_Ok. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't singled out.
1999/11/14-15 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:16873 Activity:nil
11/13   What is a *.jsp page? Is it one of those M$ asp, in Java?
        \_ server side java.  It can run on linux machines ...
1999/11/14-15 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:16874 Activity:nil
11/12   Is there a way to write macros or functions in HTML?  For
        example, assume that I want something like
                #define author( person ) Created by <B> person </B>
        How would I do that?  Thanks.
        \_ <!--#include "person.html">
        \_ most people would think that you should know something about
           the way javascript does it, but there are also a lotta other ways
           that are web server / web server extension specific
        \_ No.  HTML is not a programming language.  Your web server
           probably has a built in scripting language you can use to generate
           HTML (or if, it's apache, a choice of dozens, like PHP & perl),
           but HTML itself has none.
           \_ or you can write your web page originals in a macro language
              (i.e. M4) and then run the macro processor to generate the
              HTML.  Server side includes as recommended above work but
              they do put a significant performance hit on the web server.
                \_ which is completely irrelevant for 99% of web servers. -tom
1999/11/14-15 [Uncategorized] UID:16875 Activity:nil
11/12   Anyone know what happened to <DEAD>replay.com<DEAD>, former home of the
        anonymous remailer?  The domain name has apparently been acquired
        by the TV recorder company.  Is the remailer still up somewhere?
        \_ <DEAD>www.zedze.com<DEAD> (yes, I know the name sucks.) - sameer
1999/11/14-15 [Uncategorized] UID:16876 Activity:nil
11/12   Ine one simple English sentence, how do I find out if someone is
        logged in to an instructional machine or not?  (assuming that I
        do not know which one exactly)
        \_ finger @{cochise,franklin,parker,cory,po,torus}
1999/11/14-15 [Computer/SW] UID:16877 Activity:nil
11/12   Anybody know of a program that can take a VCD as input and crank
        out a MPEG files out of it?  Or a series of MPEG files?
        \_ who are you?  we always seem to need to want to do things
           at the same time - vcdcutter.  Unregistered allows only 7
           seconds of rip.
1999/11/14-15 [Industry/Jobs] UID:16878 Activity:nil
11/12   /csua/pub/jobs/Thirdvoice.  All sorts of stuff.  Not all of it is
        technical.  Not all of it requires 5 decades of experience.  Something
        for everyone.  Mail me with questions.  Job location is Redwood City.
        -reiffin
        \_ is thirdvoice more or less doomed than apple?
           \_ Seen Apple's stock anytime in the last year?  If Thirdvoice does
              half as well, none of us will have anything to complain about.
           \_ You're a M$oft employee?  I'd rather be at a startup.
        \_ What happened to all the hullabaloo about ThirdVoice, all the
           webmasters bitching about violated content ownership rights?  Did
           that just kind of die off?  -John
                \_ Go to <DEAD>saynotothirdvoice.com<DEAD> to see for yourself.  They're an
                   unfunded volunteer group.  The bulk of the members are on
                   free geocities and tripod accounts, if you call that being
                   a webmaster....  They were good to get us some good press
                   and are otherwise completely meaningless.
1999/11/14-15 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/Security] UID:16879 Activity:nil
11/11   Skey for Linux - Do you know how to compile it / where to get a version
        that's later than 1995? Thanks!
        \_ http://rpmfind.net
        \_ rufus
        \_ it sho' is hard to find, suh
1999/11/14-15 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:16880 Activity:nil
11/11   In one simple English sentence, what exactly is a Java ServletExec?
        \_ cgi in java with a better name
           \_ Not exactly.  CGI forks a separate process, while servlets
              run in the process space of the already running servlet
              engine.  To answer your question, Java ServletExec
              is a web-server plug-in that provides a servlet engine
              for several web servers (it's a product by a company
              called New Atlanta).
                \_ wrong again. CGI running on a server w/perl_mods also
                   run in the process space of the already running perl module
                   \_ Is mod perl really a cgi in the traditional sense,
                      though?  I always thought of it more as a server side
                      web server enhancement more like ASP than a traditional
                      fork/exec CGI.  Mod perl isn't really a "gateway" to
                      anything anymore.  Maybe I'm just splitting hairs.
        \_ Thanks for the explanation, it is kinda clear now. I have more Qs.
           What exactly is JavaBeans, JavaJini, and all those stuff in
           conherent, jargon-less English sentences and why are they so cool?
           \_ JavaBeans:
                http://java.sun.com/beans/FAQ.html
              Jini:
                http://www.sun.com/jini
              "... all those stuff... and why they are so cool":
                http://java.sun.com/products
           \_ JavaBeans - part of Java 1.1 (now over a year old), easy way
              to make component software that can be used by visual development
              environments.
              Jini - software architecture designed for lightweight component
              systems that can be broken down into networked "services" without
              a lot of code.
              See also EJB (Enterprise Java Beans), JSP (Java Server Pages,
              now available in apache), and the Big One, J2EE
              http://java.sun.com/j2ee
1999/11/14-16 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Finance/Investment] UID:16881 Activity:kinda low
11/14   My boss asked our team to implement a 1-3 line
        quote of the day on our corporate frontpage, like they do
        at http://Forbes.com.  Looking it over, a new quote seems to be generated
        on browser reload.  Where do I go to get started?
        We are running stronghold on linux rh 6.1 - party like it's 1999
                   \_ It can be done in javascript also but you'd have to send
                      all the quotes (in an array, maybe) and pick one at
                      random.  This is the cheap and stupid way to do it but
                      it does put the cpu burden on the client side and any
                      moron web designer can change the quotes easily without
                      a triple-pay sys/webadmin to edit some html/javascript.
                      \_ Sounds like it would put the load on the pipe.
                         Sending the whole quote file each time you load the
                         page wouldn't work very well.
                         \_ Depends on how many quotes, but yes, the load is
                            on the pipe.  I was thinking along the lines of
                            maybe 1 or 2k of quotes, max, not some 500k+ file.
                            1k is pretty much a blip even on a 28k modem.
                                \_ Is there a way to find out how Forbes
                                   does their quote?
                                        \_ View source will tell you if it's
                                                javascript or something else
                                                client side.
                                        \_ follow the cracking route --oj
                                           \_ eye hax0red f0rbz fruntd0re.  eye
                                              d1d vews0rs 0n dem!!11
1999/11/14-15 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:16882 Activity:nil 50%like:17171
11/11   Java and Web Scripting positions available /csua/pub/jobs/BCG/
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