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1999/8/16 [Computer/SW/Database] UID:16317 Activity:very high
8/15    Been looking for a job on http://monster.com, http://dice.com, and link:acareer.com.
        It seems that a majority of the high paid jobs are DBA, DB consulting,
        DB app, Java+DB related. I don't understand. Database is boring. Why
        the heck are they in such high demand?
        \_ DB related is a specialist just like a Network Engineer,
           Device Programmer or Graphics Programmer.  If you're looking for
           C/C++ jobs, they're not paid as well since there's a high supply
           of those right out of college.  Therefore those programmers are
           easier to find (or replace).
        \_ DB related is a specialist just like a Network Engineer,
           Device Programmer or Graphics Programmer.  If you're looking for
           C/C++ jobs, they're not paid as well since there's a high supply
           of those right out of college.  Therefore those programmers are
           easier to find (or replace).
        \_ I once worked in a place where there was a DBA and a unix sysadmin.
           Something went horribly wrong with the Oracle database and the DBA
           didn't know jack shit so the sysadmin had to fix it himself. DBA
           requires that you get some shit degree at some shit career college
           like Devry or Heald College.  Usually, DBAs are incompetent morons
        \_ Uhh, because its boring, so not many people do it?  Hence,
           a high demand?
           \_ no, hence a low supply.
        \_ Because the work sucks but DB stuff is vital at many places thus
           there aren't a lot of folks doing it b/c it isn't as interesting
           as many other jobs but it must be done thus they pay the bigger
           bucks for the fewer folks out there with those skills.
           \_ DB requires more experience.  Not many people can easily jump
              into that market.  It's in low supply not because it's not
              interesting.
              \_ Spoken like a DB professional.
           \_ understated:  if your company does ANYTHING relating to ANY
              kind of data or eCommerce, you need a DB, and therefore a DBA.
              And unlike your developers, you need them FOREVER.
                \_ Every company needs a DB to keep track of financial data.
        \_ What!  DB professional higher paid!?!  Looks like I am well under
           paid by my company.  - A Debacle DBA.
        \_ It's boring trash work. An Oakland trashman gets paid $65K/year
           without any education. A DB man gets paid high salary. Both are
           trash work. DB related jobs are high-tech trash work.
1999/8/16-17 [Recreation/Media] UID:16318 Activity:high
8/15    Movie Review Time:
                Mystery Men: Light hearted, tongue in cheek.  Go in with
                that attitude and you'll enjoy it.
                \_ I did, and still hated it.  So damn boring and slow.
                   went with 5 people; all of us wanted to leave early.
                Dick: Do not see this worthless pile of dung under any
                circumstances.  It was bad from the opening pre-credits
                scene until 45 minutes later when we walked out early.  This
                was easily the worst movie I've seen all summer and possibly
                in several years.  Do not see Dick.
                   \_ Dick is great, but only if you understand the jokes.
                   If you don't know your watergate history, not good.
                        \_ I knew my Watergate history quite well, thanks.  It
                           was painfully stupid under any circumstances.
                American Pie: I know this has been out for a while, but...
                If you like bathroom humor and HS angst, go for it.  If you
                have a more advanced sense of humor, avoid like the plague.
                        -CSUA Movie Critic
                \_ Blair Witch Project:  If Doom-type games make you nauseaus,
                        take a barf bag.  Beginning is lame, but required for
                        the ending which is much better.
                        \_ Only marginally better.  It certainly wasn't the
                           super scary shocker of the millenium.
                        \_Think 6th sense is marginally better.
                          \_ I really liked 6th Sense. Of course, I'm just
                             waiting for some motd'er to convince me I'm
                             a fucking moron for liking such badly written,
                             badly acted, plot-deprived sorry excuse for a
                             movie.
                             \_ Duud, that kid was fukn great.
                        \_ you're a moron
                \_ Detroit Rock City - Sophmoric humor, bad 70s flashbacks,
                   completely improbable plot line and way too much obsession
                   with the (still terrible) rock group Kiss. But I laughed
                   way more than I did to South Park.
                   \_ AY!  KICK YOU IN DA NUUTTTTZZZZZ!
1999/8/16-17 [Industry/Jobs] UID:16319 Activity:high
8/16    I'm sick of engineering and I'm interested in becoming a public school
        teacher.  Anybody know of a part-time program where you can get
        accredited?  I can't quit my day job just yet.  Any pointers to web
        sites and/or program names is greatly appreciated.
        \_ If you try private school first you will have better an easier
           time, both with the class size, and the handling of the students.
           And you don't need to have a teaching credential to teach at a
           private school.  After that, if you still like it, you can move
           on to the big money of public school.
           \_ Wait, private schools doesn't require credentials?  Anybody
              can walk in and apply?  That's a suprise to me.  And I'm not
                \_ Why should it be a surprise.  Just because anyone can apply
                   doesn't mean they'll hire idiots, just that they can hire
                   a teacher for math or science that doesn't have to know
                   the California history required to get the CBEST credential.
                   \_ There's no history section on the CBEST.  For reasons
                      best left unmentioned, I tried out the sample test a few
        \_ Many public schools are hiring people without credentials under
           an emergency waiver and then giving them a year to get their
           credentials. You have to take the CBEST and get emergency
           credentials.
                      weeks ago and any idiot with a 5th grade education should
                      be able to pass it easily.  The test was a huge joke and
                      anyone who can't pass it the first time has no business
                      trying to teach kids.  They're an idiot.  I took harder
                      tests in grade school.  And yes, anyone can walk in and
                      get hired to work at a private school.  Private schools
                      also pay a lot less than public schools.
              going after the "big money" in public schools.  My EECS degree
              is already making me big money.
        \_ Many public schools are hiring people without credentials
           under an emergency waiver and then giving them awhile to get
           accredited. You have to take the CBEST and get emergency
           credentials, which are issued by the school, not the state.
           If you want to work full-time and take classes towards your
           credential, almost any csu will allow that.
1999/8/16 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:16320 Activity:high 76%like:16326
8/16    I downloaded emacs20.4 from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/ and it
        doesn't come with the .el files for VM.  Does anyone know where
        I can download the files?  Thx.   -- yuen
        \_ ED!  ED!  ED is the STANDARD!  Text Editor.
1999/8/16-18 [Computer/Domains] UID:16321 Activity:nil
8/16    http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article/0,1087,3_181351,00.html
        \_  this is on domain name price wars
1999/8/16-18 [Uncategorized] UID:16322 Activity:nil
8/16    Anyone know a good place to find ATX cases in the San Ramon
        or San Jose area?  It's the one part of my machine I'm not
        willing to buy sight unseen.  Thanks.
        \_ PixelUSA in San Jose.
1999/8/16 [Uncategorized] UID:16323 Activity:nil
8/16    I need an Adult Check ID to look at nekkid stick figures without
        having to pay 30 dollars!  Help!
1999/8/16-17 [Uncategorized] UID:16324 Activity:nil
8/15    Got tired of corporate slaves throwing  mud at each other.  thanks
        for your patience.
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