8/4     Taking 61A next semester, see that Harvey's book is a recommended one
        (SICP being the textbook, of course).  Seeing that Harvey's teaching
        the class, is the second book a really required but we say recommended
        to mess with your head, or a just interesting side reading?  --katster
        \_ Don't worry, many people I know don't even read the required text.
        \_ Harvey's book is pre-chewed Scheme.  Not that that's bad.
        \_ When I took the course, I never found it necessary to open the other
           book; no one else I know did, either. You needn't bother buying
           it. -brg
        \_ Also, if you want a pre-chewed Scheme text, I'm of the opinion that
           Grillmeyer's text (the CS 3 book) is preferable. -dans

now     Java pointer crap deleted for being pointless, so to speak.

8/4     If Java has no pointer, how do I create a data structure of link
        list, btree, hash table+links, etc? Thanks.
        \_ Because sometimes pointer means more than "reference", and the
           posters below are being disingenuous or stupid (or both).
           Can I create a dangling reference in java?  Can I create a
           reference that causes a bus error or segv?  No.
           \_ You're calling Hilfinger stupid?  "Hashtable x;" x is
              a memory location to data structure on the heap or a null
              memory reference, hence the name "pointer".  You can
              play the name game all you want but they do the same thing.
              What special precations the JVM takes is no matter to the name.
        \_ There are two classes of variables in Java: the primitives (like
           boolean, int, float, double, long, char,...) and pointers to
           objects.  It's just that in Java there are no * and & like in C.
           All those symbols are implicit.  You cannot have data structures
           allocated on the procedure stack.  All Objects and things that
           derive it end up in the heap (dynamically allocated) while
           primitives and pointers are on the proc stack. --jeff
        \_ Objects.
        \_ EVERYTHING IS A POINTER. JAVA HAS POINTERS.
         \_ java has refrences you dumbass
          \_ Quoting from Hilfinger: "Java has pointers no matter what those
             idiots at Sun want you to think."

8/4     Do you have a Palm III or IIIx?  How much memory does PalmOS and
        the built-in apps take up?  I'm trying to decide whether 2 megs
        on a Palm III is good enough to run the map applications I need.  Thx.
        \_ all that is on the roms
        \_ OS and built in live in ROM, so you get the full 2 or 4 megs.
           I find as long as I don't put more than one whole book on it
           or too many games (> 3) 2mb is o.k.  The IIIx has a better screen
           though, so you might want to look at it.  Not sure which
           screen the IIIe has. - seidl

8/4     Does anyone know where I can download a GIF of those eye doctor's
        chart? I want to put one up for my wallpaper so I can check my
        eye sight every hour or so.             -poor vision
        \_ http://www.berlinprod.com/berlin/glasses.html
        \_ Come to think of it, that would make a pretty nifty wallpaper.
           Although, I'm not sure why you can't make one yourself.
        \_ Say what?  You think your vision is dramatically changing by the
           hour?  Go see an eye doctor or something.  Geeze....
           \_ Wow.  Aren't you the quick one.  It's called a JOKE
                \_ It isn't a joke.  I really want an eye chart.

8/4     All you EE's out there.  I'm a CS major but I'm also pretty interested
        in the hardware side of things including 150 & 152.  I want a good
        class in solid state electronics and I found 104, 105, 130, and 141
        in the course catalog.  Which EE course in solid state electronics
        would any of you recommend?
        \_ Did you read Hilfinger's report on CS vs EE? CS kicked EE's butt,
           and that includes CS150 and CS152. Go for it.        -CS King
           \_ Uh, then why did I get A+'s in all my CS courses and worse in
              the EEs?
                \_ Duh.  Because you're better at CS.  Genius.
           \_ No, I meant which non-CS course do you recommend?
        \_ Both 130 and 141 require 105, which next semester is being taught
           by Spanos.  Although I have heard Spanos is lame, he apparently
           almost always teaches it so there is no way around that. 105 is
           the follow up to the new EECS 40 for microfab and digital, 130
           is even more in depth and 141 is digital design, your choice is
           between 105 and 104.  105 = digital (mostly), 104 = not digital
           (mostly analog).  The choice beyond that info, I leave to you.
           105 -> Red Pill
           104 -> Blue Pill
           Take the Red Pill and you see how far this digital shit goes
           Take the Blue Pill and you can go back to believing that
           analog tech is not totally phased out and a waste of good units
           you could be spending taking decal classes on DJing or Oski -asa
           \_ This is too useful a reply for the motd.  It should get purged.
           \_ Personally, I thought 104 and 117ab were the most intellectually
              rewarding classes I took at Cal.

8/4     Anyone out there have DSL service?  What ISP are you using?
        \_ I use CellularOne, it's digital and analog I think.
        \_ who | grep dsl
        \_ someone I know is trying out <DEAD>flash.com<DEAD>.  I'll let you know in a
        \_ Why not use cable?
           \_ presumably you mean <DEAD>flash.net<DEAD>
        \_ i have <DEAD>dnai.com<DEAD>, it doesn't bother me -brg
        \_ someone I know is trying out <DEAD>flash.net<DEAD>.  I'll let you know in a
           month
        \_ http://tycho.net has been killer for our neighborhood lan.  --caliban
        \_ <DEAD>flashcom.com<DEAD>
        \_ I'm using PBI, but only because it's cheap. -ERic
                \_ What's their web site?
                \_ I heard from the PacBell DSL guy that you don't need an ISP
                at all. He said that the $39/mo includes IP/svc, just not
                email or newsgroups... does anybody know for sure?
                   \_ yes, this is why DSL is so attractive, fuck $39 now?
                   \_ seems to me you'd still need an SMTP server...
                \_ In this case your ISP will be PBI    -muchandr
                \_ it's $39 for DSL, $10 for ISP, including email.
                   \_ That's $39 / monthly + $198 equipment fee
                    and the entire year needs to be prepaid.
                    Thus, you need to pay over $600 up front.
                \_ I paid $128 for equipment. That was all, but I had
                to commit for a year. -muchandr
                \_ Why don't you geniuses go to http://www.pacbell.net and check for
                   yourself instead of guessing and making shit up?  What you
                   got last month may not be the deal this month.

08/05 CSUA office reconfiguration complete.

07/15 A Java SSH Client and S/Key Calculator are online at:
      <DEAD>www.csua/ssh<DEAD> and <DEAD>www.csua/skey<DEAD> respectively

8/5     CSUA has a giant AT case up for grabs, contact politburo to claim.

8/4     So.  I'm going to Europe for a month.  What should I do?
        \_ ED!  ED!  ED is the STANDARD!  European Vacation.
        \_ Red Light District, Amsterdam.
                \_ Fool!  /bin/cat is the only way to go!
        \_ I've travelled a lot there and lived in France for 9mo.  Email
           me if you have questions. -cathyg
        \_ If you're there on the 11th of August, see the Total Solar
                Eclipse
        \_ Visit John!  -John
        \_ See stuff and get laid.  What else is there?
           \_ Slut Road in Pisa.  Whores galore.
           \_ seriously, amsterdam is a great place to visit.
        \_ MUD.
        \_ RIDE BIKE.
        \_ sit indoors and watch TV. Some countries have porn on regular TV.
                \_ I can do that from my desk at work.  Why go on vacation to
                   be at work?
        \_ photograph your garden gnome in exotic European locales
        \_ Whatever you do, don't rush it.  Take your time and enjoy!
        \_ "Slut Road" near Pisa, Italy.  A must.
           \_ This was a great place to get a new strain of AIDS I hadn't yet
              acquired.  Now I have three different strains and need to know
              where to get the newer type D.  Any suggestions?
              \_ Go on the Jerry Springer show and ask one of those girls out.
                \_ Where do you think I got the second strain from?  Good
                   stuff.  Still looking for type D.
                        \_ It's not AIDS but you can try the second floor
                           of Soda.  I think there's some bacteria culture
                           growing in one of the chairs.
                        \_ Go to africa and fuck some monkeys.  Maybe you'll
                           even contract a never-before seen strain and become
                           famous.
                           \_ My first strain is really SIDS which is the
                              (S)imian (I)mmune (D)eficiency (S)yndrome.
                              Even though it's not truly AIDS, I like to
                              count it as such.

8/5     Windows 2000 is sooo secure!
        http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/19990804/tc/19990804340.html