06/10   Sorry about the reboot and lag earlier today.  The user responsible
        says he won't do it again -- and he's right, because he's squished.

6/10    What the hell was up with soda around 4:20??? It was slow as
        hell. root, any explanations? Oh yea, uptime reported around 40
        load
        \_ Check the top of the motd.official.
           \_ So what was the squishee doing?
        \_ it was smoking a fattie! long live 420!!
                \_ He won't do WHAT again?
           \_ What was it that he did, just so us idiots won't try the
              same thing?
        \_ 420!! It was smoking a big fat blunt, explaining the slowness.
           \_ Whats all these references to 420 as some drug? what?
              \_ where have you been for the last 10 years?
                 \_ Is this some kind of snoop doggy dogg kind of thing?
                     \_ dumbasses...
                        \_ Seriously.  Smell up and smell the ganja, people!
        \_ Everybody must get stoned.
           \_ http://caliban.sf.ca.us/img/420.jpg
                \_ Hail!
        \_ http://420.com

6/11    Thirdvoice again!  http://nototv.hypermart.net
        seems they have added some javascript, and put it into the
        public domain, that hoses thirdvoice's functionality.  they
        are using refresh loops (KLUDGE) to flush the notes every
        1000 milliseconds or something.  really screwey, and it
        has a tendency to crash things.  also, thirdvoices server has
        been hosed today.  i am thinking that with each flush, my
        client tries to get the notes from thirdvoice, then the
        connection gets abandoned and leaves a zombie http connection
        that their server takes x tens of seconds to flush out.  so,
        the hypermart people are, in a way, mounting an attack on
        thirdvoice.  probably a great time for any of you good hackers
        to get into hypermart and fuck shit up.  -caliban
        \_ can't you just hit the Stop button / Escape?
        \_ All I can say is kludges are just that, kludges.  -Judd
        \_ thirdvoice is really racking up the enemies.  Either abovenet
            died or someone threw a denial of service attack at them.
            \_ got any more info?  -caliban
                \_ I do.  Send a resume.  :-)   -Judd
                \_  it was just paranoia -- one of abovenet's cat5000'si
                    'got confused'.
        \_ apparently http://www.macosrumors.com has come out against 3v too -caliban
            \_ I'm tellin you, its all them snooty web designers, who dont
               want to hear someone making bad comments on their sites. -ERic
            \_ I'm against hatred and war.  Hasn't stopped hatred and war.

6/11    Anyone else getting spammed by http://OZNIC.com?
        \_ No, but strangely enuf, I get maybe 1-2 spams onto this account
           a month whereas all my other ones get 3-4 a day.
                \_ Soda spamfilters.

6/11    Let's say the thirdvoice plugin just said something like "Click here
        to see what others think about this site's content" (or something like
        that).  Would that make it more palatable to people?
        \_ yeah but once you take out those little markers on the site
           it gets a lot less fun - instead, you should have a big
           button that says Toggle Graffiti/Notes so that you instantly
           get a site that has the little markers or doesn't have them
        \_ yeah but once you take out those little markers on the site it
           gets a lot less fun - instead, you should have a big button that
           says Toggle Graffiti/Notes so that you instantly get a site that
           has the little markers or doesn't have them - and you should
           default it to Off
        \_ Does TV have the option to only view posts written to groups which
           you are subscribed? This would make it a lot more manageable and
           useful... For example, any CS group could annotate notes about a
           project that was handed out and not have to share their notes/
           pseudo-code with other groups, nor have to read any of the crap
           written by other groups/spammers.
           \_ Yes, it can, but not exactly like that. It has groups but you
              can't yet disable public comments.  -Judd

6/11    I've got apache running as user 'nobody', but I'm writing some DB
        access CGI's, that need to execute under a different user ID. Is
        there any way of doing this short of running a second httpd on a
        different port, the second instance of httpd running as the db
        access user?
        \_ compile apache with suexec, and put the database CGI's in
           ~database/public_html.  And you really should be running
           apache as something other than "nobody".  -tom
        \_ setuid bits might work.  Most OS's will allow suid to do what you
           want.
           \_ No, some OS's won't let you run scripts suid.
           \_ Already tried it... doesn't work (at least, not under apache
              1.3.6) -- even setuid'ing the executable as the DBA
              user, when the CGI is executed, it still runs as user
              'nobody' (which is what I have httpd running as).
        \_ Why did someone delete the correct response?  Apache has a
           mechanism for doing this--compile it with suexec, and put the
           script in a user public_html directory.  And you shouldn't
           be running apache as "nobody".  -tom