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| 1998/12/4-6 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:15065 Activity:high |
12/3 The Wassenaar agreement has been signed; approximately speaking, it
is a treaty which will require other countries to impose US-style
export controls on cryptography. http://www.wassenaar.org
\_ Damn Republicans. They had to start this whole anti-
cryptography crap. I can't believe Clinton actually
supports them too.
\_ Going back to the clipper chip this was always a big
Clinton issue.
\_ It's so ironic that the US is the only democratic government
in the world that is so paranoid about public use of public
key cryptography.
\_ It's for your protection.
\_ If owning a public key is criminal, only criminals will own
a public key.
\_ Outlaw public key crytography. Great, now no one can
use pgp and ssh and people who do 'require' ssh and ssl
(like sysadmins) can't use them anymore. And yes there
are a lot of non-government systems that do require
encryption. Speaking of protection, do you think if
you outlaw pub key crytography that criminals or
terrorists won't try to get there hands on it. Now
you've just outlawed legitimate use of the technology
and let criminals use it. Read up on it more and
you'll see why outlawing it is such a bad idea.
/ftp/pub/cypherpunks
\_ I think you are responding to a joke.
\_ Yes, it was a joke. Too bad some people just don't
get it. Lighten up folks.
\_ ah yes, that was just so hillarious i forgot to
laugh.
\_ No, you're just a friggin' idiot with no sense
of humor and lacking the slightest shred of what
might pass for intelligence at the dismal pit
Berkeley has become at the undergraduate level.
\_ tom, is that you again? What did I tell
about judging other people's sense of humor
\_ If I was a criminal and I really wanted strong encryption why
couldn't I just code up the RSA public key cryptography algorithm?
Granted it might take a little while but my point is that anyone
who wants strong cryptography can write it themselves.
Do the anti-crypto people have an argument against this?
\_ It's not as easy as it seems to code these algorithms. There's
on cryptography. Nevertheless, he studied in enough
all kinds of attacks that don't necessarily involve breaking
the underlying math. It's definitely possible, but I think
that it's only feasable for criminals who can hire people with
the appropriate fu. - mikeym
\_ Actually, it is as easy as it seems. The original creator
of PGP was Phil Zimmerman who himself was not an expert
on cryptography. Nevertheless, he studied it in enough
and consulted enough people about any loopholes in his
program that he finally came up with a product that is
now widely used. All from a joe schmo who graduated
from U.Florida with a B.S. in computer science.
\_ I don't think that PGP has the NSA quaking in its boots.
\_ But the threat of public key cryptography comes not from
individual terrorists (I don't think Timothy McVeigh
used pgp) but from other countries and their military,
which are competent enough to implement a robust
cryptographic system if they wanted to without the help
can keep recompiling and changing the key size
of anyone in the US. Which is why banning public key
cryptography is pointless.
\_ Yes, this is true, but my point was that it requires
more than the common criminal can do. Not just "anyone"
can do it. I would even guess that many governments would
have trouble outsmarting the NSA. - mikeym
\_ The "common" criminal is a purse snatcher or car
jacker. It's likely the only computer they ever owned
was the one stolen from your apartment.
\_ Read what I was replying to: "anyone who wants
strong cryptography can write it themselves." This
is FALSE. It requires a lot of knowledge and
intelligence. That was my WHOLE point. - mikeym
\_ You didn't have a point.
\_ Any moron can download and compile the
int'l version of PGP. And of course they
can keep recompiling and increasing the key size
(for use amongst themselves) forever.
\_ PGP is the height of security?
\_ It's "pretty good", no more, no less.
\_ So it is not a technical problem but a money one? -jon |
| 1998/12/4 [Politics, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:15066 Activity:very high |
12/3 How come Palestinians always want more land?
\_ This is obviously a troll, but for the benifit of the history
illiterate, I suggest you ask instead:
How come the Iseralis always want more land? After all, they were
originally from Mesopotamia (Iraq). Then they decided to grab
the land from the Cannites and Philistines, whom they completely
eradicated during war and conquest. But they were in turn expelled by
the Romans. 1000 years later, they grabbed the land again from
pardons. What do you think of that? (Think Amy Biehl)
Palestanians who had been living there all those time, first through
mass immigration and then with also outright military occupation and
confiscation. The Palestinians are of course losers. If they failed
to fend off the land robbers, they should just resign to their fate
and become gypsies. Victor be the strong and ruthless. Terror
prevails unless countered by greater terror.
| \_ because they want to live free without foreigh rule
| the real question, is why are they so intent (along with
| Iraq, Lybia, Syria) on killing Jews?
| \_ no a. but another q.:
| Say that Israel/Palestinian-state commissions something similar
| to S. Africa's Truth & Reconciliation Committee. Now, say that
| the TRC issues pardons in the same context that the SATRC issued
| pardons. What do you think of that? (Think Amy Biehl, and of her
| parents)
Amy Biehl was a Stanford graduate who left for S. Africa on a Fulbright
scholarship to help with voter registration in the nation's first all-race
1994 election marking the end of apartheid. In the wrong place at the wrong
time, she was in the black township of Guguletu when an angry mob returning
from a political rally stoned her car, dragged her out, beat her, and killed
her. At least one of her black compatriots attempted to defend her, telling
them that she was a friend. Four people were convicted and sentenced to
18 years. In July of this year, these four men were released from prison,
granted amnesty by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (as required by the
amnesty provision, they had fully confessed to the attack, including
the individual who committed the fatal stab wound). Peter and Linda Biehl
of Newport Beach, CA, released a public statement supporting the commission's
decision, and have since regularly travelled to S. Africa to confirm to
passersby that they have truly forgiven their daughter's killers, and towards
fostering understanding between those who would be blood enemies. Whether
each part of this story is right or wrong I don't say -- that you know that
each part happened and think about it is what's important. When this
disappears, ~jctwu/pub/biehl. |
| 1998/12/4-6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:15067 Activity:nil |
12/1 Like, the CSUA Alumni gathering was the largest collection of
geeks I had seen since...well...I graduated. |
| 1998/12/4-6 [Politics] UID:15068 Activity:high |
12/4 How come the U.S. military web sites tell you how the U.S. military
is organized, what weapons they have, and what capabilities they have?
You can even find the info easily through Yahoo.
\_ One word...disinformation
\_ trying to hide such info would be futile.
\_ It might be an effort to intimidate others, much as it has been
conjectured that the US dropped its atomic bombs on Hiroshima and
Nagasaki to intimidate the USSR. Perhaps their reason for having
so much military technology is to show it off rather than to
conceal it.
\_ so in reality these weapons don't exist in the US arsenal?
\_ The above person did not say that. Back to reading
comprehension class for you.
\_ sorry, apparently you didn't see the sarcasm.
\_ stupidity != sarcasm.
\_ I'm not sure who's stupider, the original "dont
exist" poster, or the commentator. I'm just
glad *I* don't have to worry about men in green
coming and busting down my door to shut me up.
\_ Well, let's think about this? Who is more
stupid? A) the person who can't comprehend
written English, B) the person who noted this
fact, or C) the person who think they're so
clever they can invent their own words such as
"stupider"? Only *you* can prevent forest
fires! -Smokey
\_ I say it was the idiot who was stupid
enough to realize that my original post
was just a joke.
\_ You have to remember that most of the weapons in the US arsenal
are for sale. and that the web is all about ADVERTISING ADVERTISING
ADVERTISING. -ERic |
| 1998/12/4-6 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15069 Activity:low |
12/4 UNIX graveyard shift opportunity in the City -- it's a Taos
opportunity. Thought I'd throw this out to see if anyone wanted an
off hours job. For more info, email christine@taos.com or see
/usr/local/csua/pub/jobs/TAOS --chris
\_ you misspelled "punishment" -tom
\_ you misspelled "asshole"
\_ Well, we found someone who took the position -- lots more openings
at Taos, though (for our Santa Clara office, SF office,
and NYC office). --chris
\_ You have a NYC office, and not an LA office? Sheesh... |
| 1998/12/4-6 [Science/Disaster] UID:15070 Activity:kinda low |
12/4 Was there an earthquake?
\_ Yes. It was a 4.1 at 415am centered around El Cerrito.
\_ finger -l quake@quake.geo.berkeley.edu
http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/quakes0.html
\_ An aftershock at 730am in Bekreley!
\_ No. Linda Tripp landed in Oakland airport this morning.
\_ No, that was yer mom fartin'.
\_ If that had happened all the buildings in Oakland would
have collapsed. |
| 1998/12/4-6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:15071 Activity:kinda low |
12/4 Troll deleted again.
Amy Biehl was a Stanfurd graduate who left for S. Africa on a Fulbright
scholarship to help with voter registration in the nation's first all-race
1994 election marking the end of apartheid. In the wrong place at the wrong
time, she was in the black township of Guguletu when an angry mob returning
from a political rally stoned her car, dragged her out, beat her, and killed
her. At least one of her black compatriots attempted to defend her, telling
them that she was a friend. Four people were convicted and sentenced to
18 years. In July of this year, these four men were released from prison,
granted amnesty by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (as required by the
amnesty provision, they had fully confessed to the attack, including
the individual who committed the fatal stab wound). Peter and Linda Biehl
of Newport Beach, CA, released a public statement supporting the commission's
decision, and have since regularly travelled to S. Africa to confirm to
passersby that they have truly forgiven their daughter's killers, and towards
fostering understanding between those who would be blood enemies. Whether
each part of this story is right or wrong I don't say -- that you know that
each part happened and think about it is what's important. When this
disappears, ~jctwu/pub/biehl.
\_ Well now I understand how the daughter could be so stupid, given
what the parents are like. I knew about the daughter, but had no
idea this was a multi-generational defect.
\_ was the daughter cute? is the mom? do you have film of the
mother and daughter doing the nasty? otherwise, why should
we care?
\_ so was the bitch cute or not?
\_ The daughter is almost as stupid as the parents. Yet another
total victory for the forces of Charles Darwin. |
| 1998/12/4-6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:15072 Activity:low |
12/4 CSUA Alum party of 12/2 pics are up at:
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~eric -eric
\_ Frightening, yet somehow fascinating. |
| 1998/12/4-6 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:15073 Activity:high |
12/4 I'd like to write a simple mail client using Perl5. Should I download
the CPAN module for IMAP4 or POP? Which one is better in performance?
Which one is easier to program? Thanks.
\_ What added features does IMAP4 have over POP3? People brag that
you can download only message headers under IMAP and selectively
download only certain message bodies but it seems that you can
do the same with POP.
\_ On the side note, is there a command line mail utility, that is the
same for Solaris and Linux, that allows you to read mail content and
read mail headers using just command line?
\_ mh
\_ eww, yuk. I used mh for a whole summer because the place
I worked for had nothing else. vi beats pico any day but
mh was just nasty.
\_ Peasant. mh is awesome. You use /bin/mail?
\_ I use a program that's part of ELM, called "readmsg". -brg
\_ If you're making this because you're a perl stud and want better
handling of mail, you might look at 'mailagent' (perl moral
equivalent to procmail). -lim |