Berkeley CSUA MOTD:1998:December:02 Wednesday <Tuesday, Thursday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
1998/12/2 [Uncategorized] UID:15052 Activity:nil
12/1    Consider enrolling in Philos 146, Philosophy of Mathematics.
        The history of how people thought about and practiced Math.
        Really cool and in danger of being cancelled. -tcmoore
1998/12/2-4 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:15053 Activity:high
12/1    Perhaps everyone knows this, but I thought it would be nice
        to repost..

        "I did not know until I read this article on Linux today that Hotmail
        ran on FreeBSD. Why don't people publicise this more. It must be a
        major embarrasment to Microsoft to have to admit that NT isn't up
        to the task. Actually, Hotmail uses FreeBSD for certain functions,
        and Solaris for their big servers. read more."
        \_ I wouldn't be surprised if <DEAD><DEAD> was running Apache.
           You can't do anything half usefull with an NT server.
        \_ NT suckz, unix rulez!
        \_ MS has been using NT for a while.  OTOH, they went from 4 sparcs
           to a 100 nt machines.  -jor
           \_ hey, how come ping doesn't work?
              \_ Microsoft doesn't respect the RFCs; they don't think you
                 should be able to ping their servers.
                 \_ This will all change when they release ActivePing(TM)
        \_ FreeBSD also runs Yahoo and a good number of other high-traffic
           sites -- at least 650 of them.  See:
        \_ Hotmail was likely running on FreeBSD before it was MS acquired.
           Duh.  FreeBSD is still >> NT doing mail stuff, but still. -jctwu
        \_ runs IIS 4.0, and runs apache 1.2.1
        \_ Yeah but microsoft probably uses over 40 machines to do the
           same thing 10 machines do under FreeBSD.
1998/12/2-6 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:15054 Activity:nil
12/1    Anyone know where I can get some info about connecting Iomega ZIP
        drives to a linux/freebsd box?
        \_ Is it SCSI?  Then it's like any other SCSI disk.  Is it parallel?
           Then, it's still a (slow) SCSI disk, in linux at least.  See
           /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/README.ppa   -lim
        \_ FreeBSD 3.0 has built in support for parallel zip disks, again
           using a slow scsi driver.  See the kernal docs for more info.
1998/12/2-4 [Politics/Domestic] UID:15055 Activity:kinda low
12/1    Consider enrolling in Philos 146, Philosophy of Mathematics.
        \_ Philos >> NT
        \_ PhilOS >> NT
        The history of how people thought about and practiced Math.
        Really cool and in danger of being cancelled. -tcmoore
        \_ Don't do that.  Philosophy will work you into the ground and
           give you a shitty grade for your efforts.  Unless you've taken
           the core lower div. courses, enjoyed them _and_ did well, dont
           blow your gpa on upper div. philosophy.  Buy the book if you care.
           \_ I found upper div philosophy courses to be relatively easy as
              long as you do the reading. Whatever happened to the, "All
              liberal arts courses are 10x easier than EECS courses" mentality?
                \_ in terms of workload yes.  But grading is rather vague.
                \_ I don't have that mentality and never did.  Philosophy was
                   by far the hardest course I ever took.  Yes, I did all the
                   reading numerous times, went to class, etc, etc.
                \_ In my (very limited) experience, the grading is really
                   inconsistant in liberal arts classes...
                      \_ But you're obviously not a liberal arts major
                   \_ I agree, but Phil o' Math, based on my casual readings,
                      is pretty clear-cut. Everything falls into 2-4 camps.
                      Not all mushy like other liberal arts, philos classes.
                      Just take it P/NP and you'll do fine. -tcmoore
                      \_ Rather than burn yourself out struggling for that
                         "P", go sign up for something truly soft and don't
                         worry about it.  It's foolish to take courses because
                         you think they're interesting.  If you're just mildly
                         interested then buy the book and read it on your own;
                         you don't need the grading hassles.
                         \_ With an attitude like that, why didn't you just go
                            to CalPoly, or better yet, ITT and leave your Cal
                            spot to someone who wanted a University education?
                                \_ Uhm, yeah, in case you haven't noticed, Cal
                                does _not_ provide a classical liberal arts
                                education.  Don't be fooled.
1998/12/2-4 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:15056 Activity:nil
12/2    Anybody here have any info on getting FreeBSD 3.0 to use elf format
        for the kernel rather then aout. I can't seem to locate the info I
        need. --marc
        \_ doconfig -c $host -f elf
1998/12/2-4 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:15057 Activity:nil
12/2    What are (or where do I look up) the colors I can use for -bg
        and -fg parameters in xapps, like xterm & emacs?
        \_ /usr/lib/X11/rgb.txt (or equivalent path)
           \_ Thanx!
                M-x list-colors-display --psb
1998/12/2-4 [Industry/Startup] UID:15058 Activity:high
12/2    It's December, and my co-op is going to end soon. I am suppose to
        return my badge to the company, but I would like to keep it. Is it
        overly unethical to tell your company, during your very last day,
        that you lost your badge?
        \_ Well, maybe this is flame bait, but don't be such a stooge.
          Corporations will treat you in "unethical" ways many many
          times throught your "professional" life, probabably in ways
          you are either unaware of or too brainwashed to see. So take the
          silly badge, if you want it, and lie to them.  Who cares.
           thing back.  it all depends on how stiff and republican your

        \_ i don't see why it would be unethical since they deactivate your
           \_ HOw do TEKTRONIX color printers compare to HP and XEROX.  Would
              you recommend them?   What do you think of solid ink technology?
              \_ Tek color printers are supposed to be bad ass.  Most of them
                 use thermal wax/thermal dye technology as opposed to laser
                 which gives you fairly decent photographic quality.  Fiery
                 also makes good printers (what Kinkos uses).  Expect to
           only decent mug shot of myself that i have. Actually, they
           never asked for it back.
                 spend a fortune though.  They're no bubble/ink/laser jets.
                 \_ Fiery is PrintServer/RIP bundled with Xerox's,
                    IBM's printers. EFI doesn't make printers.
           badge anyway.  the question is if you can get away with it.
           i interned at tektronix and my boss told me that the company was
           really paraoid about people keeping their badges when they left.
           apparently, they harrass you and stuff until you give the damn
           thing back.  it all depends on how stiff and conservative your
           company is.
        \_ lots of other co-op students pull the same stunt.
           \_ So at least he'll have lots of company while he's spending
              eternity writhing in the flames of hell . . . thieving
              \_ nark
        \_ if yer manager/admin-person says "It's very, *very* important
           that we control all the badges..." then you return it.
        \_ i still have my sybase badge from several years ago. it's the
           only decent mug shot of me that i have.
        \_ Tell them you lost it now.  They might have to retake the
           picture, etc., and you can turn that one back in on your last day.
        \_ I suggest you simply grow up and return the fucking badge.
           \_ nark
        \_ yeah, after the first half dozen, you don't put sentimental
                value on a piece of plastic.
        \_ If its intel, they don't care, I just kept mine.
        \_ after i left sun i was really depressed that i didn't think to
           connive to keep my badge.  just do it.
        \_ work at a company that doesn't use badges :P
1998/12/2-4 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:15059 Activity:high
12/2    What is more difficult, taking classes through SITN (SCPD) or formally
        applying for it (then eventually, take classes as a real student)?
        \_ The process of applying is definitely a lot more difficult than
           just taking NDO. You still need 3 letters of rec (2 must be from
           professors who know you well), you still need to take GRE, and
           you still need to write a Statement of Purpose.
                up units.  Since it's just a master's I don't think it's a big
                deal.   With Cal grades I'm not going to chance trying to get
                in the real way.  -brain
        \_ Huh?
           \_ What, you've never heard of sitn ans scpd.  They're quite
              promulent words.
        \_ I hear getting into HCP is a total breeze.  Start on NDO and build
           up units.  Since it's just a master's I don't think it's a big deal
           deal. With Cal grades I'm not going to chance trying to get in the
           real way.  -brain
           \_Yermom lets me in the real way.
        \_ what does SITN (SCPD), HCP, and NDO stand for?
           \_ If you have to ask, you don't know.
           \_ they're all stanford acronyms.  Stanford Instructional Television
            Network, Stanford Center for Professional Development,
            Non Degree Option, Honors Cooperative Program.  They're all ways
            to get your company to pay for your Master's degree.
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