Berkeley CSUA MOTD:1998:November:17 Tuesday <Monday, Wednesday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
1998/11/17-19 [Computer/SW/Editors/Vi, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:14967 Activity:very high
11/16   Anybody know of software like MS Frontpage that produces clean HTML
        files instead of MS proprietary .asp files?  I need something
        powerful and easy to use like Frontpage but I don't want to be tied
        to windows.  Thanks.
        \_ Macromedia Dreamweaver. It's used heavily by web development
           professionals, and combines a powerful graphical environment with
           direct source level access. It comes with free, fully integrated
           copies of Allaire Homesite (Win) or BBEdit (Mac), for better quality
           source level control. Very good stuff; I'm a way satisified
           user. Bear Bytes sells it with a student discount. Try a 30 day
           demo at
             the elegant solution to all your text editing problems.
        \_ netscape composer?
        \_ Never use MS products for web development!  Try Homesite by Allaire.
        \_ I've heard that the Macromedia one (DreamWeaver?) is good,
           although I've never tried it personally.  I think you can even
           download a demo version of it to try out.
        \_ -r-xr-xr-x  1 bin  bin  151552 Jul 15 01:52 /bin/rm
             real cs/eecs majors don't waste their time on web pages.
        \_ -rwxr-xr-t  2 bin  bin  1990656 Oct 17  1997 /usr/local/bin/emacs
             the elegant solution to all your text editing^H^H^H OS problems.
             \_ what is the t permission bit for?
        \_ -rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  159744 Dec  4  1997 /usr/local/bin/jove
           -- the bastard son of the elegant solution
        \_ -r-xr-xr-x  6 bin  bin  274432 Jul 15 02:03 /usr/bin/vi
           -- vi h0zer
        \_ -r-xr-xr-x  2 bin  bin  126976 Jul 15 01:51 /bin/ed
           -- the standard text h0zer
        \_ -r-xr-xr-x  1 bin  bin  57344 Aug 18 13:42 /bin/cat
           -- real men don't need to edit; we get it right the first time
        \_ -r-xr-xr-x  1 bin  bin  12288 Aug 24 17:25 /usr/local/bin/pico
           -- a h0zer's tool. period.
           \_ How can pico be smaller than cat?
              \_ It has less functionality.
                 \_ But seriously, folks, it's a Small Matter of Libraries:
                    ldd /bin/cat
                        ldd: /bin/cat: not a dynamic executable
                    ldd /usr/local/bin/pico
                        -lpico.1 => /usr/local/lib/ (0x10020000)
                        -ltermcap.2 => /usr/lib/ (0x10045000)
                        -lc.3 => /usr/lib/ (0x10049000)
        \_ Symantec VisualPage isn't too bad, has WSIWYG and allows you
        to edit the source, and puts a minimum of extra crap into the code.
        Should be able to download a demo from
1998/11/17-18 [Uncategorized] UID:14968 Activity:nil
11/16   Congratulations to the Berkeley teams in the ACM Pacific Northwest
        Regional Programming Contest. [summarized from ucb.cs.undergrads,
        original post by pnh] --jon
        Team #1 (1st place)             Team #2 (4th place)
        Nikita Borisov                  Robert Schneck (G, Math)
        Misha Dynin                     Alex Fabrikant
        Michael Constant                Aleksey Potashnik
1998/11/17 [Consumer/Shipping] UID:14969 Activity:nil
11/16   Anyone knows how long it usually takes for USPS regular air letter
        to go from here to Singapore?  Thanks.
        \_Two weeks.  About 5 days to get to Singapore and the rest of the
        for the letter to be inspected by the Post of Vector Control, Moral
        to make sure that the letter poses no threat to the citizenry.
        \_ Gee, only took about 2 days for my luggage to get sent there last
           time I flew into SFO...  -John
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