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1998/11/3-4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:14880 Activity:kinda low
11/2    nwrite 1.9.3 beta installed for testing as /csua/bin/nwrite
        Source available from ftp.csua:/pub/nwrite/ - Bugs to alanc
        Changes from 1.9.2 mainly involve dealing with users who log
        out while you're writing to them.
        \_ and the loss of the -a option
        \_ and the loss of the -a optio
                        IT SAYS ABOVE MORON
                        \_ A bug that is now fixed because someone
                \_ that would be a bug that YOU SHOULD MAIL ABOUT AS
                        IT SAYS ABOVE MORO
                        \_ A bug that is now fixed because someon
                                did mail me.  -alan
1998/11/3 [Uncategorized] UID:14881 Activity:nil
11/12   How  do you conjugate yermom ? Can it be both noun and verb ?
        \_ Yermom conjugates however her customers tell her to.
1998/11/3 [Uncategorized] UID:14882 Activity:high
11/2    Is 10-10-220 any good?  Has anyone used it and not been
        ripped off?  - mikeym
        \_ *ring* *ring* "Hello? Oh answering machine...." $.99 down the
           drain. Remember, EVERY CALL is $.99 from 1 minute up to 20, or
           do the math and at the best you're paying $.05 per minute.
           \_ That's a good point.  So if you're sure the person's at the
              other end is it worth using?  I'm in dorms where I have to
              use a university phone plan, and 5 cents is much better than
              what I get now.  - mikeym
1998/11/3 [Uncategorized] UID:14883 Activity:nil
11/2    How do I judge the quality of a martial arts school? I've heard
        many are really not that legit. What do I look for? And anyone
        know of a good Taekwando school in the South Bay? Thanx.
1998/11/3 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:14884 Activity:high
11/2    Anybody know if this is for real
        "Eric Raymond was recently leaked an internal Microsoft memo
        outlining strategies to be used against open-source software.
        The document, with esr's comments, is available for your personal
        enjoyment." http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html
        \_ i have too many projects and midterms to read the whole damn
           thing.  what's the gist?
        \_ if it is a hoax, someone had way too much time on his hands.
           it's pretty lengthy & detailed.
        \_ This is already posted below (q.v.).
          \_ http://www.slashdot.org has a headline saying microsoft admits the
             oss memo is authentic...
        \_ http://news.com & the wall street journal got microsoft spokesdroids
                to confirm it
1998/11/3 [Uncategorized] UID:14885 Activity:nil
11/2    If someone calls you but the phone doesn't pick it up because of
        your modem, is it possible to *69 the caller?
1998/11/3 [Finance/Banking] UID:14886 Activity:nil
11/2    San Francisco Book Fair this weekend -- check out http://www.sfbook.org
        if you're interested.  They usu. have lots of authors, signings,
        deals on slightly damaged books, etc.  --tabloyd
1998/11/3-4 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:14887 Activity:high
11/3    Is the latest ssh bug really worth deinstalling it?  My friend and
        I are having an arguement over this point. A URL on the subject:
        http://news.freshmeat.net/readmore?f=ssh-vulnerability  --ssh h0zer
        \_ No definetly exploitable vulnerability has been found yet
            Until one is, you're much better off using it than not
            \_ Your machine is safer with no login mechanisms, not even
               ssh.   In fact, its even more secure if you unplug it from
               the net, unplug it from power, lock it in a safe, and bury
            \_ Your machine is safer with no login mechanisms, not eve
                \_ But even then your host can still be easily compromised
                   through the use of brute-force methods.  If you're really
                   concerned, the best solution is to not buy a computer at
               ssh.   In fact, its even more secure if you unplug it fro
               the net, unplug it from power, lock it in a safe, and bur
               that safe beneath your home
                   \_ but then I miss out on all the cash I get from
                \_ But even then your host can still be easily compromise
            \_ IBM has specially denied the assertion that it had ever
               uncovered an exploitable bug in ssh, and is complaining
               about rootshell's unethical use of a minor advisory which
               does not appear to detail any real security threat.  So the
                   through the use of brute-force methods.  If you're reall
                   concerned, the best solution is to not buy a computer a
                   all.  Go outside and enjoy the blue sky and sunshine -
                   you'll have all that extra pocket cash to take with you
                   \_ fresh air smells funny. i think i'll stay inside soda
                   \_ but then I miss out on all the cash I get fro
                      cracking other peoples' ssh-guarded firewalls
            \_ IBM has specially denied the assertion that it had eve
               uncovered an exploitable bug in ssh, and is complainin
               about rootshell's unethical use of a minor advisory whic
               does not appear to detail any real security threat.  So th
               people who supposedly found the bug say there is none
1998/11/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:14888 Activity:high 75%like:14906
11/3    Don't forget to vote today.  --tabloyd
        \_ For a dissenting view, hear Friedman (166 Barrows, 7p). -- schoen
          \_ people are too stupid for this sort of thing to work.
                \_ Maybe this thing is just too stupid to work.
                \_ looking at the results, this state is going to
                   suck!!!  Time to move...
                   \_ what did you expect? 2 people who didn't deserve
                      to be governers and 2 more people who don't deserve
                      to be senators.  Fong, Lungren, Davis, Boxer all stink.
                \_ Someone actually asked Friedman whether people had to be
                   smart for anarchocapitalism to work.  He suggested that
                   the "natural conservatism" of people meant that people
                        \_ I'm going to take out five seconds to laugh my
                           ass off at this "human nature" argument.
                   would likely become accustomed to it and its institutions
                   once it was established, whether or not they were
                   particularly intelligent.  (He also said he did vote, a
                   straight LP slate, but that there was no real reason to
                   vote unless one happens to find it fun.)  -- schoen
1998/11/3-4 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:14889 Activity:moderate
11/3    Computer for sale. 9months old.  K6-200Mhz, 64 SDRAM, 4.3GB,
        ATI all-in-wonder /w TV, 3D accel, etc. Creative DVD drive and
        decoder card. 56.6k f/v/m, SB 64AWE, ProAlpha super case 3 fans,
        15" digital monitor.  Win98, MS office, DragonNatspeak 3.01 which
        is $695 speach recognition software.  $1000 or best offer. -hitran
        \_ Wow, damn good deal. I'd get it, but i already have a computer
        \_ Actually Dragon is $100-$150.  Will you be selling the original
           media or keeping it?  Is it okay to use the motd to post ads for
        \_ Wow, damn good deal. I'd get it, but i already have a compute
                \_ actually it's the Deluxe edition so it IS $695...look
                   it up...you can't buy this one just anywhere.-hitran
        \_ Why are you selling it?  I don't think you'll be able to sell it
        \_ Actually Dragon is $100-$150.  Will you be selling the origina
           \_ hey dumbass, it will be kinda hard for him to do that if
           media or keeping it?  Is it okay to use the motd to post ads fo
           \_selling it cuz I'm short on cash.-hitran
           piracy if you're not selling the originals
           \_ yup...I have the media disc of Dragon Natspeak.  but win98
                \_ actually it's the Deluxe edition so it IS $695...loo
                   it up...you can't buy this one just anywhere.-hitra
        \_ Why are you selling it?  I don't think you'll be able to sell i
           it here.  but let me know if you get it sold and how much
           \_ hey dumbass, it will be kinda hard for him to do that i
              you don't sign your fucking name
           \_selling it cuz I'm short on cash.-hitra
        \_ Pretty good if software is not pirated
           \_ yup...I have the media disc of Dragon Natspeak.  but win9
                was installed...so it might be pirated
1998/11/3-4 [Computer/Networking] UID:14890 Activity:moderate
11/3    Does the IP address 192.0.2.1 have any special meaning?  Thanks.
        \_ Yeah, isn't that http://www.yermom.com
        \_ Your DNS-fu is weak
        ;; ANSWERS
        http://www.yermom.com 7200    A       208.155.1.20
           \_ nslookup doesn't return a name for this address.  The reason
              I'm asking is that I'm looking at some TCPIP driver code and
        http://www.yermom.com 7200    A       208.155.1.2
           \_ nslookup doesn't return a name for this address.  The reaso
              ; Used for local addr for the loopback link.  192.0.2.1 is
              I'm asking is that I'm looking at some TCPIP driver code an
              LOOPBACK_LOCAL_IP_ADDR            equ     0x010200c0
              somewhere it says

              ; Used for local addr for the loopback link.  192.0.2.1 i
                IANA (RESERVED-2)    RESERVED-192   192.0.0.0 - 192.0.255.0
                [No name] (NET-TEST)  IANA          192.0.2.0
           so i'd say the driver is correct ...  --charmer
              ; officially defined to be "nothing".  (in network order
              LOOPBACK_LOCAL_IP_ADDR            equ     0x010200c

              But I've never heard of such thing
        \_ hmmm.  for `whois 192.0.2.1@arin.net' i got
                IANA (RESERVED-2)    RESERVED-192   192.0.0.0 - 192.0.255.
                [No name] (NET-TEST)  IANA          192.0.2.
           so i'd say the driver is correct ...  --charme
1998/11/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:14891 Activity:nil
11/3    <DEAD>www.seqfault.com<DEAD>
1998/11/3-4 [Industry/Jobs, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:14892 Activity:high 52%like:14543 50%like:15262
11/3    EECS Instructional is *still* looking for a full-time staff member.
        /csua/pub/jobs/EECS-Inst-PAIII   or
           http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~iesg/jobs.html
        -brg   <--- overworked, but not underpaid.
        \_ We also have an opening for a student who can admin NT. -brg
        \_ Could be a good opportunity for all the people who whine about
        \_ We also have an opening for a student who can admin NT. -br
        \_ I tend to attribute the suck to the approximately 1:1,200
        \_ Could be a good opportunity for all the people who whine abou
           how "EECS Instructional sucks!" to do something about it
        \_ I tend to attribute the suck to the approximately 1:1,20
                \_ No way, eh.  I was a PAI....  -blojo
        \_ I tend to attribute the suck to the approximately 1:1,200
           Instructional staff-to-user ratio
           \_ I worked as a PAIII and the pay sure sucked
              \_ that you blojo?  peacock?  is that you buddy
                \_ No way, eh.  I was a PAI....  -bloj
1998/11/3-4 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:14893 Activity:high
11/3    aaron -- do you prefer sushi or dimsum? do you prefer jtown over
        china town? do you prefer Yaohan over Ranch 99?
        \_ it's prefer to, not prefer over
        \_ It's 99 Ranch, not Ranch 99
        \_ dimsum, never been to jtown much, never been to yaohan. are
           you too shy to ask what you really want to know? --aaron
           \_ I think he wants to find out if aaron prefers CHINESE chicks.
        \_ It's 99 Ranch, not Ranch 9
        \_ dimsum, never been to jtown much, never been to yaohan. ar
           you too shy to ask what you really want to know? --aaro
           \_ I think he wants to find out if aaron prefers ZINC chicks
1998/11/3-8 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:14894 Activity:high
11/3    Could someone please repost the URL to that 'halloween.html'
        article, the one about Microsoft and Linux?
        \_ The URL is http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html --marc
        This seems like a purposeful leak to make Linux seem like
        a threat to Microsoft, and therefore imply Microsoft isn't
        a monopoly with the intent of effecting the anti-trust lawsuits. -ax
        \_ The memo seems like a purposeful leak by Microsoft to imply
        there is an up and coming competitor to their OS that is not effected
        by their existing marketshare, therefore proving they do not
        have a monopolistic stranglehold on the OS market.  That might
        \_ The URL is http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html --mar
        \_ The memo seems like a purposeful leak by Microsoft to impl
        there is an up and coming competitor to their OS that is not effecte
        by their existing marketshare, therefore proving they do no
        have a monopolistic stranglehold on the OS market.  That migh
        slow down the governments anti-trust hearings
           \_ Damn!  Those evil Redmond lawyers are so smart
        \_ however, that does not obviate their previously illegal activites
           \_ Do you mean "obviate" or "absolve" ?
              \_ either/both
                \_ the words have different meanings.
                   \_ and either are appropriate in this case.
                        \_ actually the sentence doesn't really make sense
                           with either word.
                           \_ "that does not [aquit them from] their
                               previous illegal activities".
                               ref: http://dictionary.com
                               Okay, obviate isn't the best fit as it stands,
                               for intended meaning. Although taken on the
                               face, it still is a true statement.
                               This release in no way diminishes the
                               effectiveness of their prior activities :-)
                               \_ obviate means "to anticipate and prevent
                                  (as a situation) or make unnecessary (as
                                  an action)."  it refers to events or actions
                                  that have not yet taken place.  you cannot
                                  use it to refer to past activities.
1998/11/3-5 [Uncategorized] UID:14895 Activity:high
11/3    mhn: While volunteering at a Kindergarten class, I was taking
        dictation for the students who were supposed to make up a story
        (part of the creativity-stimulation curriculum).  Here's my
        favorite entry from Donnelle, Age 5:

                A mouse.
                A frog.
                A man holding a lizard.
                Nothing happens in the story.
                Is it about a zebra?
        \_ Mom took too much acid during pregnancy
        \_ Mom took too much ZINC during pregnancy
           \_ Yours or his?
1998/11/3-8 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:14896 Activity:high
11/3    <DEAD>208.16.54.204/index.html<DEAD>
        Whoops, looks like someone already owns the trademark to Windows
        2000. It'd be funny to read a press release by M$: "Windows 2000,
        which was once known as NT 5.0, is now known as NT 5.0."
        \_ This guy's smart.  Remember the other guy who got millions from
        \_ you know what will be really smart is if you copyright Windows
           2001,2002,...,NT 5.1, NT 5.2...That way M$ will have to pay you
           everytime they want to release a new OS.
           \_ Wow!  I wish I had thought of that!!!!!  Idiot, it doesn't
              work that way and even if it did, they'd just sue the shit
              out of you.  Justice is only for the wealthy.
              out of you.  Justice is only for the wealthy, not the stupid.
           \_ It would be even smarter if you learned proper English and
                that you can't "copyright" a word or phrase like "Windows 2001"
                (Trademark != copyright)
        \_ This guy's smart.  Remember the other guy who got millions fro
           DEC for selling them the name http://www.altavista.com
                \_ Compaq actually
                \_ The guy who was using http://altavista.com was actually USING it,
                   and had it before Digital started their altavista thing.
                   You can't just domain-squat and expect to get anything
                   from it.
           \_ how about http://www.abc.com  abc had to pay a ton for that one
           \_ The guy's an idiot (or a weak-willed pussy). He isn't contesting
              microsloth's use.
                \_ Yeah he should throw away a few million bucks fighting M$
                   over the lousy name.  What's he care?  He's likely not
                   only to lose, but to end up having to turn over the w2000
                   domain name too.  He's *smart*, unlike you.  Dummyhead.
                   \_ "Dont ever fight microsoft. They're unbeatable"
                       Yeah, that's the ticket.
                      \_ Don't be stupid. I did *not* say that.  I said it
                         would be totally stupid for this guy to spend real
                         money on this.  Their use doesn't diminish the value
                         for his use and even if it did it wouldn't be worth
                         a law suit.  "Go after M$ no matter what!! At all
                         costs!!! Yeah!!!  Fuck a real world business
                         decision!  SUE SUE SUE!!  Years in court for
                         *nothing*!!  That's the ticket!!"  Idiot.
                         \_ You said he would proably have to turn over
                            the windows2000 domain name. WTF? he was obviously
                            using it first. Idiot.
                          \_ Because, you fucking moron, they would obviously
                             counter sue him for it and a million other things
                             the moment he stuck his dumb ass anywhere near a
                             lawyer.  Grow up.  "I had it first!" doesn't cut
                             it in the real world.  Money does and M$ has it.
                             He has everything to lose and _nothing_ to gain
                             by suing them.  At best he can force them to
                             change the name.  BFD.  What a victory.  At worst
                             he gets crushed in a counter suit since they've
                             been using "windows" and it's variations since
                             the mid-80's.  You, Sir, are a total moron.
                             \_ Your "argument" counts for any other opposition
                                to MS: 'They will countersue, so run away'.
                                Hence my original categorization of you,
                                "Dont ever fight microsoft. They're unbeatable"
                                Enjoy your slavedom, robot.
                                \_ I second that. Hey, you might as well buy
                                   into every other thing that rich assholes
                                   tell you to beleive.
        \_ how about a story-specific url
                                   \_ As one of those rich assholes, I can
                                      tell you I'd rather get sued by some
                                      poor asshole like yourself than some
                                      other rich asshole who stands a chance
                                      of winning.  You certainly don't.  You
                                      can't afford justice.
                                \_ Child, the US Government and 20 States are
                                   suing M$ with *your* money about what
                                   should be a cut'n'dry issue but they're
                                   likely to lose anyway.
                                \_ Why should he sue them?  Who cares?  He
                                   won't get anything out of it even if he
                                   wins since he can't show any damages.
                                   The very idea of going to court for a few
                                   years over something like this baffles me.
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