10/20   Soda was rebooted at 5 pm so that we could bring back the reasonable
        256 meg MFS /tmp partition instead of the 27 meg weakling we have now.

10/20   What's our CSUA's mail server?  Is it <DEAD>scotch.berkeley.edu<DEAD>?
        \_ No. http://csua.berkeley.edu
        \_ than why did someone say our mail was buffered on scotch?
                \_ It is when soda goes down.  Scotch is the backup, not
                   the primary.  Run 'host http://csua.berkeley.edu' and notice
                   scotch has the larger priority number (mail servers are
                   tried from lowest to highest priorities)
        \_ side question: which is it really? (yes i know all 3 work)
                http://csua.berkeley.edu
                http://soda.berkeley.edu
                http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu
                \_ http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu and http://csua.berkeley.edu will stick
                   around.  csua could theoretically be changed to point to a
                   different machine if soda ceased to be the csua's primary
                   hoser hangout.  http://soda.berkeley.edu was supposed to go away
                   after we got the csua domain, but it hasn't yet for reasons
                   unknown to me.
                   \_ Tradition.  I want "ucbvax.berkeley.edu"!
                \_ It doesn't matter - they are all the same machine.
                   \_ I guess my question is, will there always be all
                      the multiple domain names for 128.32.43.52?
                        \_ soda.b.e might go away some day, but the
                           csua controls the others so they'll be here
                           for a long time
                \_ http://dr-pepper.csua.berkeley.edu
                   \_ how about <DEAD>odwalla.csua.berkeley.edu<DEAD>
                      \_ <DEAD>select.csua.berkeley.edu<DEAD> for the truly poor ...
                         \_ I'm sorry, but noone should ever be this poor
                          \_ hey I like select root beer
                         \_ We should have accept.csua, send.csua, open.csua,
                            creat.csua...
                        \_ puddle-water.csua.berkeley for  the destitute

10/20   How much hot air can you spew in one minute? DOWN WITH MICROSOFT!
        \_ http://www.artbell.com/images/whowhat.jpg

10/20   What are with these rumors about phantom of the opera leaving SF?
        \_ Read the damn paper.  It's leaving in December - no rumor.
        \_ Read the damn newspaper.  It's leaving in December - no rumor.
           \_ It's high time it left.  It's been there for years.  --PeterM
              \_ what's wrong with Phantom of the Opera?
                 \_ nothing. it's just been here too long. bring in
                    another musical.
                 \_ Here is one good reason why it sucks:
                    Andrew Lloyd Webber.  Give me Sondheim
                    Gilbert and Sullivan anyday or a good
                    performance of Fiddler on the Roof

10/20   LucasArts has announced that their Day of the Dead-inspired 3D
        adventure game Grim Fandango has been released to manufacturing and
        should be available to U.S. and Canadian customers beginning the
        week of October 26.
        All hail the mighty mogul!  --pld
        \_ THE ONE REAL QUESTION: When will all of berkeley have it (burned)?
                We should have a competition with other Universities:
                The 100% Pure Piracy competition. Except for MS-interns who
                buy at 90% discount, who buys this shit anyway? We're CS/EECS,
                and who the !@#$ has time?
        \_ Rumor has it that Lucasfilm is bailing on all their Macs
                   name?  Ok how's this:   --- been burned too many times
           for a strictly NT network...
           \_ Well, we all know Lucasfilms is in the buisness of making
              things blow up. So I guess NT is a good start.
        \_ Yeah whatever.  Yet another shitty game for the junk heap.
                   name?  Ok how's this:   -aswan
           \_ Thank you.  It's nice to know how my three years of loving toil
              will be rewarded.  And oh yeah... SIGN YOUR NAME, BASTARD! -mogul
                \_ Hey, fuck you.  What makes this one so special?  How many
                   shitty games must I buy before a decent one comes out?
                   I don't give a shit that you coded for it.  You want my
                   name?  Ok how's this:  --burned by too many shitty games
                   \_ "95%.  The finest adventure game ever." -PC Gamer UK
                      "9.5/10.  Play a gaming legend today." -Our second
                      review.  Those are just our first two reviews.  I'm
                      sorry other games suck; it's too bad that makes you
                      avoid good games as well as bad. -mogul
                      \_ The same rags that gave crap like Red Alert top
                         marks.  No thanks.
                   \_ Wow, this tears you down even better than anything I
                      could write.
                        \_ Really?  So I should buy *your* shitty game on your
                           say so?  I feel so self-torn.  Peddle your shit
                           elsewhere.                   /
        Since when did this become the computer game whiners association?
        GF is technically ambitious and interesting, and Bret did a lot
        of neat design work on it.  I really don't care what games you like
        or buy, especially now that you've shown yourself to be a kneejerk -pld
        \_ Gee, could you be a bit more defensive and touchy?  Talk about
           kneejerk.  "Some s0da h0serz wrote it s0 it must B k-RAD!!11"
           \_ Let's try an analogy here.  Someone posts to the Public Health
              Undergrad Association's motd:  Congratulations to mogul for
              discovering that quinine is effective against malaria!
                \_ Cool!  How does it work?
                \_ Yeah whatever.  Another shitty bitter drink.  Fuck you.
              That clueless latter person is you.  What a maroon!  --pld
                           \_ Seems to me you're saying this game's gonna
                              be shitty because someone here is promoting
                              it and someone else here coded it. Or is it
                              automatically anytime anyone promotes a game,
                              it's shitty?
                             \_ I'm saying all games are shitty until proven
                                otherwise.  Gimme a demo and maybe I'll come
                                back tomorrow and rave about it.  Is there
                                a playable demo available?
                                        \_ of course there is, dumbass
                                         \_ Prove it. urlP
                                            \_ Oh, gee, what is this?
                                               http://www.lucasarts.com

                                               Hey, it says "The Grim
                                               Fandago Playable Demo" is
                                               now avaiable for download."
                                               Damn, now why didn't I think
                                               of looking here? Oh yeah,
                                               I'm a dumbass.
                I downloaded and played and now I can say with %100  _/
                certainty that this is Yet Another Hyped Shitty Game.
                I'm not only unimpressed, but mildly offended at the wasted
                download and install time.
                        --burned again but not dumb enough to piss away cash
                \_ You must have an incredibly high standard not to like
                   LucasArts adventure games. Only games outside LA
                   that are of same quality is the Gabriel Knight series,
                   in my opinion.
                   \_ Pretty good play. However, some stupidly random
                      mandatory tests, and crashes all the time.
                      I give G.K. an 85%, personally.
                   \_ Probably.  I expect a game to be _fun_.  Silly me.
        \_ most lucas arts games have been pretty crappy in comparison to
           other games like doom, etc. i was extremely disappointed with dark
           forces, for example. --disappointed with lucas arts
           \_ Well that's pretty funny because (for example) the id Software
           guys have often stated that they felt that Dark Forces was
           the only good game that came out as competition for Doom.
           And it also received much critical acclaim....  -blojo
           \_ I dunno, I just thought that after the novelty of blowing
              away Storm Troopers wore off, DF was pretty dull.  At least
              Duke Nukem 3d was kind of funny and Quake was pretty.. -John
           \_ hmmmm, have you tried the playstation version? this is the
              crappy one. maybe the pc version is better. --disappointed
        \_ I've played just about every 3D shooter out there, and the only
           ones I've cared to finish are Quake2, Dark Forces, and Jedi
           Knight. The latter two proving technology isn't everything.
        \_ Day of the Tentacle.  Sam and Max.  Lucas Arts games rewl. -lim
           \_ Only LA, Blizzard, and iD have near perfect track records.
                \_ Blizzard?  Only if you like super micro management click
                   fests like Starcraft.  AI?  Hello?
                   \_ Name a game with good AI. Quake is not a fun game
                      because of its AI. Neither is Star/Warcraft. And what
                      kind of argument is click-fest? Heck, even Tetris is
                      is a click-fest. You want a game where things just
                      unfold for you?
                      \_ Nethack is not a clickfest
                      \_ For starters, how about my units don't stupidly stand
                         there while a building right next to them gets
                         pounded or my mutalisks don't pursue a single enemy
                         on their own flying right over 30 missile towers.
                         Apparently, that's far too much to ask.  Or maybe
                         my units using their special powers on their own
                         once/century.  clickclickclickclickclickclickclick!
        \_ Go bret!

10/20   Thanks  to those who put soda  back on-line.
        \_ although down for an entire weekend that was some pretty good
           uptime.  How long was that one?
        \_ what exactly happened anyway?
            \_ soda go foom.
                \_ /home was fruitful and multiplied (or divided, depending
                \_ /home was multiple and fruitified (or divided, depending
                        on your point of view)
         \_ How many day's worth of mail; if any, bounced ?
            \_ Most likely not any, because scotch is a mail exchanger for
               soda, and probably wouldn't have bounced any mail during that
               time.
        \_ Thanks to those who took soda offline so I had to go to the beach.

10/20   Does anyone here use Palm Pilot III or Phillips Nino? Which one is
        a better deal?
        \_ Palm III=$319, Palm Modem=$100, Palm PC Link=$25, Palm Total=$444
           Nino 312, modem and PC link, Nino total = $369
           Palm III has 2 megs. Nino has 8 megs. Palm III input device sucks.
           Nino is quite flexible (like the Newton). Nino has more applications.
           Palm III applications suck. Nino can voice record 16min/meg. Palm
           has no such feature. Go figure
           \_ Somebody hand this man a grammar book opened to the part
          about articles.
           \_ 8MB of RAM on the Nino is really weak.  The overhead of the OS
              makes it pretty slow in comparison to the Palm devices.
        \_ NO D00DZ DO NOT USE NINO, IT IS PEECEE, WIN CE BASED, AND BECAUSE
           MICROSNOT SUX, NINO MUST SUCK!!! DONT GIVE IN TO THE EVIL SIDE!!!
           \_ For not much more you can get something like a libretto min-laptop
              and run a real OS (FreeBSD works for me).
        \_ If you want to use the ricochet modem, factor in that you have
           to buy a serial I/O card which is about $180.  The little cable
           for the Palm devices are much more reasonable.  I suppose it
           doesn't really matter since most of the palm-sized devices are
           going wireless next year.
           \_ not to mention the ricochet modem for another $300 or so...
        \_ I'm holding out for the Phillip Nunez, which will blow both of those
           away.  - phillip #1 fan
                \_ Most importantly that it can store infinite amounts of
                   data?
                        \_ Of course.  It uses PhilCompress(tm).
                        \_ PhilOS rules!
                        \_ Specs of PhilWoman?

10/20    New product announcement:
          512K personal organizer with 100% data-safe technology stored in
          non-volatile methods on starch platters. It never crashes, works
          in any language, and even comes with convenient stylus at the
          ASUC store. Total Cost? $6   (4 for the organizer, 2 for 2 pens!)
          \_ Does it have a TCP/IP stack?
                \_ No, but it can hold a stack of post-its, and stamps too!

10/20   Who manages emacs for soda ? I want to add something to the lisp dir.
        \_  And who are you?
                If I tell you; will you fart in my general direction
        \_ It's in /usr/local/bin, hence is managed by root.  However requests
           to add stuff to the lisp dir will most likely be answered with
           "put it in your own damn lisp dir twink"
           \_ maybe we need a /csua/lib/e-lisp added in  for something cool
              enough to be shared but not official enough to add to the real
              emacs distribution?
                \- if there isnt some really good reason to put it inthe
                site-lisp dir, people should put it in their own space.
                if you dont know what "good reasons" are, you probably cant
                make this judgement. you should of course include an ISUCK
                switch :-)  --psb
                \_ I want leim input method in the distribution

10/21   How is the whistler 1510 for $77?  Basically it's a Radar Detector
        w/ LED Display & Super Ka Radar, Laser System
        Anyone interested?  tora67@hotmail.com
        \_ I think radar seeking ground-to-ground missiles would be far more
           effective.
                \_ I'll drink to that!

10/21   The really cool thing about having peace talks in your own country
        is that if either side threatens to leave you can always lock them
        up in a room until they start growing up.

10/21   If I'm suppose to put job openings in /csua/pub/recruiting, then
        how will people know that I put one in there?  Is this a poll
        instead of wait for event type of messaging system (ie,
        people interested in jobs poll the directory rather than being
        told that something is available)?  -cliffwd
        \_ Both.  You may announce it concisely in /etc/motd, with something
           like:
                10/21   Interesting job hacking on vacuum tube design in
                        SF, see /csua/pub/jobs/Vacuum.  -- me
                        \_ H3Y!!!!!1!!!  1 L00K3D 1N TH3 J0BZ D1RECT0RY, AND
                           1T"Z N0T TH3R3!!!!1!!!  WHUT G1V3Z???/?  TH1Z
                           S0UNDZ L13K MY DR3AM J0B -- 1 LUV W0RK1NG W1TH
                           VACCUM TUB3Z (TH3Y"RE T0TALLY K-RAD, 1N A RETR0
                           ST3AMPUNK K1NDA WAY!!!1!!!)

10/20   Soda was rebooted at 5 pm so that we could bring back the reasonable
        256meg MFS /tmp partition instead of the 27 meg weakling we had before.

10/21   Anyone know a good perl module (or other reliable method) of
        interfacing with mail spools?  Specs for spools? -jnat
        \_ you just want to read the spools, or do all the file locking
           stuff as well?
        \_ formail and procmail are pretty useful
        \_ ever considered scanning CPAN under the Mail:: namespace?